Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[HisBelovedMelody]

she gave birth to our Saviour. Um...what else do ya want to know? I mean..come on. Oh forget it...not worth going around and around and not getting anywhere. YES, she is important to the fact she gave birth to the Saviour,,...that is IT.

 

[IamAdopted]

So are there different donominations then to the CC?

 

[Tyndale]

Is Mary the person Roman Catholics support?

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Is Mary the person Roman Catholics support?

what do you mean? she is an object of their 'veneration' apparently.

 

[Teke]

So are there different donominations then to the CC?

What does denominations matter? Any student of history on the church knows what is written about Mary from the earliest times. It's no secret, the info is available for anyone to read if they so desire to do so.

Some first century writers have already been quoted just a few posts back. They are the same people who spoke the scriptures and thought about them along with what they had learned of from the Apostles, and they are the reason you have the canon of scripture you do today, the NT.

I would seriously pause at one who did not consider such beautifully informative writings on some very deep and meaningful subjects. Especially those which concern our Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Hi. No one responded to this post I made earlier. Is Ishtar the one representing this foreign god Judah "married"?

(NKJV) Malachi 2:11 Judah has dealt treacherously, And an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem, For Judah has profaned The LORD's holy [institution] which He loves: He has married the daughter of a foreign god.

(NKJV) Jeremiah 13:18 Say to the king and to the queen mother, "Humble yourselves; Sit down, For your rule shall collapse, the crown of your glory."

Oh, that's what you meant! Well maybe in a symbolic way. But the sons of Judah also did litterally marry women who practiced paganism. So, it could be litteral and symbolic.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Teke, why the insults on peoples intelligence when referring to reading Catholic material?? Could you please stop being rude and condescending?

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Show us how she is not part of Christology and we'll agree she is not that important as some believe.

Okay. She gave birth to Jesus. Happy now? That's all we really need to know.

 

[Teke]

Is Mary the person Roman Catholics support?

Christs' church supports her in that she is the mother of our Lord. She is ever virgin, meaning she remained a virgin after the birth of Christ. And she is a type of the church for us to relate from scripture. In that she was obedient to God and said yes, and she remained a virgin to God. Which is an example for the church.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

she gave birth to our Saviour. Um...what else do ya want to know? I mean..come on. Oh forget it...not worth going around and around and not getting anywhere. YES, she is important to the fact she gave birth to the Saviour,,...that is IT.

You hit the nail on the head, there. Especially with going around in circles. Us Prostestants are pretty much chasing our tails. Going around and around trying to explain this and only getting dizzy and absoultely no where in the process.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

by catholic doctrine only! I do NOT believe that for one minute. BUT that is hijacking the thread to get into that.

 

[Teke]

......when referring to reading Catholic material??

Catholic material????, Do you understand what the word means.....I mean in the context that the historical Christian writers wrote in.
It is ridiculous to label such historical documents by religion. They belong to the Church, whoever and wherever that may be. Usually good seminaries have their students study some of those writings, to what extent depends on the seminary and it's beliefs.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Christs' church supports her in that she is the mother of our Lord. She is ever virgin, meaning she remained a virgin after the birth of Christ. And she is a type of the church for us to relate from scripture. In that she was obedient to God and said yes, and she remained a virgin to God. Which is an example for the church.

Yeah, Joseph would allow that. Have you ever heard of any man saying to his wife, "It's okay sweetie if we never have sex." Uh-huh. Besides Jesus had siblings. I know Catholics don't agree with that. Well I don't agree that they don't believe that. To say that she remained a virgin implies that the C.C. believes that there is something inherently wrong about sex. I think that speaks more of the the C.C.'s view of sex and sexuality more than anything. Also, there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory too. So, that's my belief because it's what the Protestant church teaches and I'm not going to defend it. All I'll do is end up arguing.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Catholic material????, Do you understand what the word means.....I mean in the context that the historical Christian writers wrote in.
It is ridiculous to label such historical documents by religion. They belong to the Church, whoever and wherever that may be. Usually good seminaries have their students study some of those writings, to what extent depends on the seminary and it's beliefs.

WOW, can you relax a bit and STOP taking off everyones heads cause not everyone holds your denomination and their believes in high esteem.

 

[IamAdopted]

What does denominations matter? Any student of history on the church knows what is written about Mary from the earliest times. It's no secret, the info is available for anyone to read if they so desire to do so.

Some first century writers have already been quoted just a few posts back. They are the same people who spoke the scriptures and thought about them along with what they had learned of from the Apostles, and they are the reason you have the canon of scripture you do today, the NT.

I would seriously pause at one who did not consider such beautifully informative writings on some very deep and meaningful subjects. Especially those which concern our Lord, Jesus Christ.

And please share what we should concentrate on... Please share with us What other than Jesus birth that Mary has to do with salvation or holiness.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Yeah, Joseph would allow that. Have you ever heard of any man saying to his wife, "It's okay sweetie if we never have sex." Uh-huh. Besides Jesus had siblings. I know Catholics don't agree with that. Well I don't agree that they don't believe that. To say that she remained a virgin implies that the C.C. believes that there is something inherently wrong about sex. I think that speaks more of the the C.C.'s view of sex and sexuality more than anything. Also, there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory too. So, that's my belief because it's what the Protestant church teaches and I'm not going to defend it. All I'll do is end up arguing.

That is what I said the never mind about earlier. I believe Mary had other children as well. BUT that is a moot point...the dog chasing his tail and all that and not getting anywhere.

 

[Knowledge3]

Yeah, Joseph would allow that. Have you ever heard of any man saying to his wife, "It's okay sweetie if we never have sex." Uh-huh. Besides Jesus had siblings. I know Catholics don't agree with that. Well I don't agree that they don't believe that. To say that she remained a virgin implies that the C.C. believes that there is something inherently wrong about sex. I think that speaks more of the the C.C.'s view of sex and sexuality more than anything. Also, there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory too. So, that's my belief because it's what the Protestant church teaches and I'm not going to defend it. All I'll do is end up arguing.

Mary, as a virgin did not have sexual relations with Joseph.

And neither did Jesus have actual blood relatives. +

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Mary, as a virgin did not have sexual relations with Joseph.

And neither did Jesus have actual blood relatives.

according to some pope years ago...NOT according to the Bible.

 

[IamAdopted]

Mary, as a virgin did not have sexual relations with Joseph.

And neither did Jesus have actual blood relatives except for Mary. +

And Why would Mary need to remain a Virgin?

 

[IamAdopted]

according to some pope years ago...NOT according to the Bible.

300 Ad is when this started to be spoken of..