Is it wrong to want to die?

[EnterLight]

While life in Heaven will certainly be better than my life on Earth could ever be, there are problems with wanting to die.

• I would be leaving behind aggrieved family members.
• There are some good things in this life which cannot be done in Heaven, which I would never be able to do either for the first time, or ever again.
• Waiting for death is a living death.

Thats considering this person does have family members that care or love them or friends they make family. Not everyone in their life have that due to a variety of reasons.

On your second note I can't think of anything like that. Maybe Sex, drugs (not promoting).

I respect your position. Just want to consider those that don't have those options or chances in life or don't find those things enjoyable anymore.

 

[Sketcher]

Thats considering this person does have family members that care or love them or friends they make family. Not everyone in their life have that due to a variety of reasons.

I do, any many people who take that for granted also do. Though there are some that do not.

On your second note I can't think of anything like that. Maybe Sex, drugs (not promoting).

Marriage, serving people in need, bringing the lost to Christ all come to mind.

I respect your position. Just want to consider those that don't have those options or chances in life or don't find those things enjoyable anymore.

I used to fantasize about randomly being hit by cars because I didn't want to live nor kill myself. I thankfully came out of that, and I have a better understanding of life now than I did then.

 

[disciple Clint]

I understand, @EnterLight, that you are not suicidal, and am very thankful to hear that. But I do believe that sadly, there are many who are, and that the track that the thought of "wanting to die" lies on is very close to the track of "suicide".

I'd like to share a post I made on FB several years ago in a similar discussion ~

Only one problem with the post you referenced in your post. It is absolutely and completely wrong and beyond that it is hurtful to anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide. A sin such as murder which is what the author of that post wants to equate with suicide requires the knowledge that it is a sin and the desire to commit that sin. Many suicide victims are in such a state of mental anguish that they are not thinking rationally they are not thinking in their right mind, they are in pain, they simply want the pain to stop. Only God can decide who is and is not saved and God considers everything when He makes that determination. So unless the person who wrote that post is God, they have no right to tell anyone who is or is not saved.

 

[The Narrow Way]

I lost my son-in-law to suicide. I stand by the post. Show me from the Bible that it is not Biblical.

 

[disciple Clint]

I lost my son-in-law to suicide. I stand by the post. Show me from the Bible that it is not Biblical.

I am sorry about your son-in-law, I am also sorry for those people who suffered or are continuing to suffer thinking that their loved one was in hell for eternity because someone decided that they could speak for God. Does the Bible say that God is just? Is it just to condemn someone to hell who makes a mistake because they are mentally tortured and unable to make rational decisions? Even man's law as imperfect as man is allows the defense of temporary insanity, or extreme mental distress.

 

[EnterLight]

I was hoping the forewarning of saying I am not suicidal would keep it from coming up. There's a common misconception that those with feeling such as wanting to die even from the standpoint of wanting to return home to be at peace is still misconstrued and criticized. I think we all look forward to being at peace and with the lord and tired of this world that has obviously fallen. It's a reminder to me we should continue to offer love and understanding not condemnation for understandable feelings.

 

[disciple Clint]

I was hoping the forewarning of saying I am not suicidal would keep it from coming up. There's a common misconception that those with feeling such as wanting to die even from the standpoint of wanting to return home to be at peace is still misconstrued and criticized. I think we all look forward to being at peace and with the lord and tired of this world that has obviously fallen. It's a reminder to me we should continue to offer love and understanding not condemnation for understandable feelings.

I understand even Paul in Philippians 1:18-26 wanted to be done with his fleshly life and be with Jesus, but he also wanted to remain with God's people. Trust God He has a plan for you.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

 

[Pommer]

If you’ll allow an ol’ heathen to weigh in…
The Romans 5:2 pops to mind: “the hope of glory”; yes one would need to be deceased to obtain the “glory”, but to long for one’s own demise for that glory would be to miss out out on one’s life, here, and NOW!

[For those of us who have nothing that cool to believe will “happen” to us after we die, a good many of us will just as soon go on living for another day, TYVM, no matter “how bad it gets”.]


“The Parable of the talents” would rule here too.
If life has become so difficult to appreciate while one has it, then seeking to make that life better (more tolerable) is the only allowable mindset.
Pining for one’s “reward” misses the point in seeking to obtain it.

Find a “tandem skydiving” service…nothing will give one a better appreciation for having a body than to convince one’s brain that one is trying to kill it.

 

[honey badger]

I was hoping the forewarning of saying I am not suicidal would keep it from coming up. There's a common misconception that those with feeling such as wanting to die even from the standpoint of wanting to return home to be at peace is still misconstrued and criticized. I think we all look forward to being at peace and with the lord and tired of this world that has obviously fallen. It's a reminder to me we should continue to offer love and understanding not condemnation for understandable feelings.

And in those days, men will seek death, and will not find it; and they will long to die, and death shall flee from them.

i am one such man...

 

[Homeowner]

Yes if we are to think about only ourselves it would be best to be with the Lord as soon as possible, but God has a reason for us to be here, each one of us has something to accomplish in God's plan.

Problem with this line of thought is that you can just as easily say having suicidal thoughts is God's plan. Perhaps it is your time and this is just the mechanics of it. How would you ever know if you believe everything is preordained ?

 

[disciple Clint]

Problem with this line of thought is that you can just as easily say having suicidal thoughts is God's plan. Perhaps it is your time and this is just the mechanics of it. How would you ever know if you believe everything is preordained ?

God does not preordain or cause sin, see how simple that answer was?

 

[Homeowner]

God does not preordain or cause sin, see how simple that answer was?

Right, simple. You have sloppy life style. You die early because of it. Did you sin in that regard by not treating your body better? Was it preordained ? Was it sin ?

 

[The Narrow Way]

Right, simple. You have sloppy life style. You die early because of it. Did you sin in that regard by not treating your body better? Was it preordained ? Was it sin ?

It wasn't preordained, but yes, it is sin to not take care of our body.

 

[The Narrow Way]

I was hoping the forewarning of saying I am not suicidal would keep it from coming up. There's a common misconception that those with feeling such as wanting to die even from the standpoint of wanting to return home to be at peace is still misconstrued and criticized. I think we all look forward to being at peace and with the lord and tired of this world that has obviously fallen. It's a reminder to me we should continue to offer love and understanding not condemnation for understandable feelings.

I understand there is a difference....Elijah wanted to die, Jonah was at a point he wanted to die...good men sometimes have those thoughts, without it being suicidal. I understand. It's just that in TODAYS world...for many, that thought turns SUICIDAL.

 

[The Narrow Way]

I am sorry about your son-in-law, I am also sorry for those people who suffered or are continuing to suffer thinking that their loved one was in hell for eternity because someone decided that they could speak for God. Does the Bible say that God is just? Is it just to condemn someone to hell who makes a mistake because they are mentally tortured and unable to make rational decisions? Even man's law as imperfect as man is allows the defense of temporary insanity, or extreme mental distress.

I don't believe my son-in-law is in Hell. I believe he is sleeping in the grave, just as Jesus told everyone Lazarus was sleeping when he was dead. He is not suffering, he is not being tortured...he's just sleeping.

 

[Rajni]

First, I want to start out saying that I'm not suicidal or anything like that. I was just curious and pondering on the thought of why do people often think it's wrong if someone feels like they want to die. Don't majority of us here long to be together with the lord?

I often have feelings of not wanting to be here or feeling out of place in the world but the thought of being in heaven, with God, lost loved ones, without medical issues, aging, pain. All seem like very reasonable things that us Christians would look forward to.

Would love to hear your take.

Totally relatable feelings. No judgment from me.

Most of my experience with that feeling has been due to biochemical imbalances. I sometimes refer to myself as "serotonergically challenged". It's an inherited trait from my dad's side of the family tree. Fortunately, in my case, it's easily fixed by serotonin-boosting medication. And I recently picked up my bible again after a long absence from it, for rather unconventional reasons I won't go into here, as I've been wanting to keep the Lord real close lately. So of course that helps. Technically we don't have to shed our meat-suits to be with the Lord. In Him we live and move and have our being, as the passage goes. Just gotta tune in...

 

[disciple Clint]

Right, simple. You have sloppy life style. You die early because of it. Did you sin in that regard by not treating your body better? Was it preordained ? Was it sin ?

No it was up to God, He decides when to call you home.

 

[Homeowner]

No it was up to God, He decides when to call you home.

So getting obese, choosing not to exercise then dying off early is God calling you home instead of your own stupidity ?

 

[disciple Clint]

So getting obese, choosing not to exercise then dying off early is God calling you home instead of your own stupidity ?

I am not going to jump to a conclusion without facts, without knowledge of anything about an individual and not even knowing that person and be so self righteous as to judge why people may be obese or how much they exercise or why they die when they do. I have always kept in mind that the healthiest person in the world can get run over by a truck through no fault of their own because it was their time to go.

 

[Homeowner]

I am not going to jump to a conclusion without facts, without knowledge of anything about an individual and not even knowing that person and be so self righteous as to judge why people may be obese or how much they exercise or why they die when they do. I have always kept in mind that the healthiest person in the world can get run over by a truck through no fault of their own because it was their time to go.

Very noble. Since this was not about any particular invidual but rather a theoretical case of a person getting obese because of his sloppy eating habits and lack of exercise due to him or her not bothering to do so is it God's plan to call him home early or lack of invidual effort and appriciation for the time given to us on this planet ?