Is it wrong to want to die?

[Xavier363]

Its legal so its fine. That you choose to demonize them and their family for wanting to ease their suffering, is your choice. But in my country, along with many others, your view is not accepted by the overwhelming majority. Throwing Gods name around wont change that - particularly one that frequently demanded the slaughter of men women and children.

Well said

 

[Xavier363]

Thank you for telling me that I am demonizing people. As in turning them into demons. You give me such power. But I really do not have that ability in real life. Sounds like any mention of something you disapprove of you can call demonizing. Funny that.

Just to add a couple cents...
Demonize:

1. To turn into or as if into a demon.
2. To possess by or as if by a demon.
3. To represent as evil or diabolic.

 

[chevyontheriver]

What I mean by "where do we go from here?" is how should we determine if suicide is right or wrong? Do you think that just because the bible says it is wrong that should carry any weight for non-christians? It seems that we need some other method. I'm a big fan of bodily autonomy - my life, my body, my choice. I'm not a fan of others trying to dictate what I can or cannot do based on whatever their religious text says. I mean, first you would have to pick a single religious text that would then apply to all - that is not going to happen.

There is no way you and I can resolve this. We have different concepts of liberty. Mine is to be free to do good. Yours is to be free. Those are not in the end going to reconcile. We cannot agree.

 

[Xavier363]

There is no way you and I can resolve this. We have different concepts of liberty. Mine is to be free to do good. Yours is to be free. Those are not in the end going to reconcile. We cannot agree.

I do object to your hijacking of the concept of good. Why do you assume that only what you believe is good? I agree that if you are relying on your religious beliefs, we cannot resolve the question of how we decide what is right and what is wrong. Notice the relying on religious beliefs part. I would like to resolve questions regarding right and wrong without the baggage of beliefs, rather arguments backed up by evidence and empathy. Perhaps you would like to present an argument for your position that suicide is always wrong that does not rely on a religious belief?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I do object to your hijacking of the concept of good. Why do you assume that only what you believe is good?

I have an atheist neighbor who happens to believe almost all of what I believe about goodness.

I agree that if you are relying on your religious beliefs, we cannot resolve the question of how we decide what is right and what is wrong. Notice the relying on religious beliefs part. I would like to resolve questions regarding right and wrong without the baggage of beliefs, rather arguments backed up by evidence and empathy.

You have your desire for personal autonomy, which is your own baggage. We aren’t going to agree. I live in an interdependent world. You are autonomous. There is no commonality. To continue is futile.

 

[Xavier363]

I have an atheist neighbor who happens to believe almost all of what I believe about goodness.

You have your desire for personal autonomy, which is your own baggage. We aren’t going to agree. I live in an interdependent world. You are autonomous. There is no commonality. To continue is futile.

Yes, I agree. Because of your religious beliefs we will not be able to agree on right and wrong. I suggested that you make an argument that does not depend on your religious beliefs. You decided not to do so. If you are unable or unwilling to present a non-religious argument on whether suicide is right or wrong then, yes, we will not be able to make progress on the question. Note that it is your belief that is getting in the way. I'm not judging your decision that, for you, suicide is wrong. It seems that you judge others because of your beliefs. See the difference?

 

[Zoii]

Thank you for telling me that I am demonizing people. As in turning them into demons. You give me such power. But I really do not have that ability in real life. Sounds like any mention of something you disapprove of you can call demonizing. Funny that.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic at the expense of people who suffer so badly they end their life.... or if English is your second language and so don't understand idioms.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your nature is not so appalling you'd be sarcastic like that so - Demonizing does not mean, to create demons. It means to deliberately and with malicious intent, to cast aspersions on someone in order to make them appear aggrievous in the eyes of others.

I understand your Christian and therefore Christians act in this way because that's their understanding of the bible (though not all Christians do - plus I should add that other religions support your view as well).

Its why we have secular governments whose role it is to build society for all and not just one section. Your view, in my country, is very much the minor view. We see it in a poor light that Christians would not attend to the suffering of others because of a concern for death. That view results in undermedicating (for fear of respiratory depression usually n hence death) and does not acknowledge that someones body is their own and not yours command based on a book you have interpreted. And when those suffering have made that choice, the family of the deceased arent interested in your views.