Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

[BobRyan]

Right.
The name of the day of the week does not determine which deity is being worshiped.
Otherwise Saturn would be worshiped on Saturday. There is no day named after our God.

In the Bible one is called "week day 1" and the other is called "The Sabbath"

(Jesus was resurrected on week day 1 - according to the bible )
And also according to the Bible "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh)" Ex 2010

Right.
Like I said, none of the days of the week is named after our God.

Wait...
are you claiming that the first day of the week is a holy day?

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

Does the Bible call week day 1 a holy day?

Yes and no. (you'll find that illusive, I suppose)

Quite so....

Let's see your "yes" evidence for "week day 1" and a Bible command to "keep week-day-1 holy". (My guess is that your Bible evidence will be conspicuously absent for that point)

Yes, means that we find the statement in Genesis.

Hmmm Genesis says "keep week-day-1 holy"? or "God sanctified and made holy - week day 1"???

What Bible do you use??

If it means what you claim it means, then we would see evidence of Sabbath-keeping before Exodus chapter sixteen.

Indeed we see Ex 20:11 saying that the Gen 2:1-3 statement alone makes Sabbath Holy.

What we don't see is a statement BEFORE Exodus 16 saying "Do not take God's name in vain"..

Clearly your "proof by extreme inference poured into texts that don't actually say what you claim" did not work.

 

[Saint Steven]

In the Bible one is called "week day 1" and the other is called "The Sabbath"

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.
I said,
"Right.
The name of the day of the week does not determine which deity is being worshiped.
Otherwise Saturn would be worshiped on Saturday. There is no day named after our God."

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.
Here are your choices for names of the days of the week.
Sunday
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Do you see "The Sabbath" in the names of the days of the week?
Neither do I.

 

[usexpat97]

The Scripture voted #1 most ignored on this subforum:

Colossians 2:16
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath

 

[BobRyan]

Right.
The name of the day of the week does not determine which deity is being worshiped.
Otherwise Saturn would be worshiped on Saturday. There is no day named after our God.

In the Bible one is called "week day 1" and the other is called "The Sabbath"

(Jesus was resurrected on week day 1 - according to the bible )
And also according to the Bible "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh)" Ex 2010

Right.
Like I said, none of the days of the week is named after our God.

Wait...
are you claiming that the first day of the week is a holy day?

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

Does the Bible call week day 1 a holy day?

Yes and no. (you'll find that illusive, I suppose)

Quite so....

Let's see your "yes" evidence for "week day 1" and a Bible command to "keep week-day-1 holy". (My guess is that your Bible evidence will be conspicuously absent for that point)

Yes, means that we find the statement in Genesis.

Hmmm Genesis says "keep week-day-1 holy"? or "God sanctified and made holy - week day 1"???

What Bible do you use??

If it means what you claim it means, then we would see evidence of Sabbath-keeping before Exodus chapter sixteen.

Indeed we see Ex 20:11 saying that the Gen 2:1-3 statement alone makes Sabbath Holy.

What we don't see is a statement BEFORE Exodus 16 saying "Do not take God's name in vain"..

Clearly your "proof by extreme inference poured into texts that don't actually say what you claim" did not work.

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.

I did.

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

 

[BobRyan]

The Scripture voted #1 most ignored on this subforum:

Colossians 2:16
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath

Col 2 is NOT about abolishing eating, drinking or the Sabbath. It is about not being tricked by people "making stuff up".

see Jun 1, 2018 #1

 

[usexpat97]

The rest of the readers can be the judge of that. They can read.

 

[BobRyan]

The rest of the readers can be the judge of that. They can read.

I am counting on it

 

[usexpat97]

Yes yes I know. The Scripture has a "hidden meaning".

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:

 

[Saint Steven]

Col 2 is NOT about abolishing eating, drinking or the Sabbath. It is about not being tricked by people "making stuff up".

see Jun 1, 2018 #1

Do you keep the new moon?

 

[Saint Steven]

Let's see your "yes" evidence for "week day 1" and a Bible command to "keep week-day-1 holy".

I made no claims about Christians "keeping" any day.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hmmm Genesis says "keep week-day-1 holy"? or "God sanctified and made holy - week day 1"???

Does the Bible in Genesis actually SAY that? It says we should keep a day holy? ???
You'll have to show us that one.

 

[Saint Steven]

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

When is the Sabbath actually? What day of the week?

 

[usexpat97]

Amazing how people so hyper-literal about Sabbath can be so the exact opposite about Colossians 2:16.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you keep the new moon?

I do not - but after the second creation of Earth in Rev 21 - that New Moon event will be observed by all mankind. Isaiah 66:23 points to both New Moon AND the 7th day Sabbath to be kept for all eternity after the cross - by ALL mankind.

As I think we both know.

Which is another reason why I see no reason to be at war with the Commandments of God.

 

[BobRyan]

The Scripture voted #1 most ignored on this subforum:

Colossians 2:16
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath

Col 2 is NOT about abolishing eating, drinking or the Sabbath. It is about not being tricked by people "making stuff up".

see Jun 1, 2018 #1

Amazing how people so hyper-literal about Sabbath can be so the exact opposite about Colossians 2:16.

Because we "read" Col 2 ... not merely 'vs 16'.

 

[BobRyan]

Right.
The name of the day of the week does not determine which deity is being worshiped.
Otherwise Saturn would be worshiped on Saturday. There is no day named after our God.

In the Bible one is called "week day 1" and the other is called "The Sabbath"

(Jesus was resurrected on week day 1 - according to the bible )
And also according to the Bible "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh)" Ex 2010

Right.
Like I said, none of the days of the week is named after our God.

Wait...
are you claiming that the first day of the week is a holy day?

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

Does the Bible call week day 1 a holy day?

Yes and no. (you'll find that illusive, I suppose)

Quite so....

Let's see your "yes" evidence for "week day 1" and a Bible command to "keep week-day-1 holy". (My guess is that your Bible evidence will be conspicuously absent for that point)

Yes, means that we find the statement in Genesis.

Hmmm Genesis says "keep week-day-1 holy"? or "God sanctified and made holy - week day 1"???

What Bible do you use??

If it means what you claim it means, then we would see evidence of Sabbath-keeping before Exodus chapter sixteen.

Indeed we see Ex 20:11 saying that the Gen 2:1-3 statement alone makes Sabbath Holy.

What we don't see is a statement BEFORE Exodus 16 saying "Do not take God's name in vain"..

Clearly your "proof by extreme inference poured into texts that don't actually say what you claim" did not work.

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.

I did.

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I made no claims about Christians "keeping" any day.

you said the answer to this question "Does the Bible call week day 1 a holy day?" is .. "yes and no"

Yes and no. (you'll find that illusive, I suppose)

we took the "yes" part of your answer first.

 

[BobRyan]

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

When is the Sabbath actually? What day of the week?

Comes right before the first day of the week... "week day 1" as the Bible calls it -- the day that you admitted Jesus was raised from the dead.

It is not by "accident" that Jews know that Saturday is the 7th day and Christians know that the first day of the week when Christ was raised is - Sunday.

Recall that the first Christians are Christian-Jews and they also kept the Sabbath in fact they preached the gospel to BOTH Jews and gentiles "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 because as Paul said "there REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4.

In the NT the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" where the commandments of God are the ones where "the FIRST commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:2.

Bible details matter - as I am sure we both agree.

 

[sparow]

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.
I said,
"Right.
The name of the day of the week does not determine which deity is being worshiped.
Otherwise Saturn would be worshiped on Saturday. There is no day named after our God."

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.
Here are your choices for names of the days of the week.
Sunday
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Do you see "The Sabbath" in the names of the days of the week?
Neither do I.

 

[BobRyan]

If it means what you claim it means, then we would see evidence of Sabbath-keeping before Exodus chapter sixteen.

Indeed we see Ex 20:11 saying that the Gen 2:1-3 statement alone makes Sabbath Holy.

What we don't see is a statement BEFORE Exodus 16 saying "Do not take God's name in vain"..

Clearly your "proof by extreme inference poured into texts that don't actually say what you claim" did not work.

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.

I did.

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Does the Bible in Genesis actually SAY that?

Turns out....

And it is a Bible detail so obvious even the pro-Sunday Bible scholars freely admit it.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians and the 7th day Sabbath of Genesis being the day before week-day-1 Sunday.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

 

[Saint Steven]

I do not - but after the second creation of Earth in Rev 21 - that New Moon event will be observed by all mankind. Isaiah 66:23 points to both New Moon AND the 7th day Sabbath to be kept for all eternity after the cross - by ALL mankind.

As I think we both know.

Which is another reason why I see no reason to be at war with the Commandments of God.

Why that in mind, why would you not keep the new moon?
Is that not a commandment of God?

And then there's tassels... Is that not a commandment of God?