Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

[Constantine the Sinner]

Unfortunately too many banks make the failure happen.

Know several Veterans who started their own business. Two I know personally have done quite well over the past 10 years. Both wanted to expand their business but were denied the loan. Why? Because the bank told them most small businesses are either sold off or fail within 10 years.

Yes, you have to pitch to the bank a good reason for why your small business is different from the others, because otherwise they're just gambling, and it's not a good pay-off for the odds. Remember, they care about their business foremost, yours is only their concern insofar as it leads to the prosperity of their business.

 

[Kersh]

Indeed God does use an evil man at times to accomplish His will...I had already made that point. But to say you know the current condition of this man's heart I believe is wrong. I have been testifying for a long time now to just such ones and it takes some Christians a long while before they learn how to walk a straight road. Just as a alcoholic can repent and feel new life only to succumb to the habit...many failures before success...so it is with other sinners who need to get their nose in the Bible and try to walk the walk seriously. Trump reminds me of one such man. Remember too that he is known to have been a very benevolent man.
I also remind that the President of the US does not single-handedly run the government. Let us pray that should he win that he appoint good men knowledgeable and wise as leaders who seek justice and peace.

Jesus said to beware of those who would come in sheep's clothing, but who inwardly are ravenous wolves. He told us that we would recognoze the wolves by their fruit. I don't know the condition of Donald's heart nor of Hillary's. But looking at the fruit produced by each, both appear to be rotton. And, so I will be careful. I pray that whoever our next President, he or she will be aurrounded with godly people and that he or she may even come into a lifechanging relationship with Christ (as did Nebuchudnezzar, who had undoubtedly been an evil king). But, as much as it is within my power to choose my leaders, I will not lend support to the election of someone like Trump (or Clinton).

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Yes, you have to pitch to the bank a good reason for why your small business is different from the others, because otherwise they're just gambling, and it's not a good pay-off for the odds. Remember, they care about their business foremost, yours is only their concern insofar as it leads to the prosperity of their business.

So true, but that principle does not hold across the board. Banks are pressured by government arms to offer low rate, low quality loans for those who do not have good credit...buying houses with little to no capital down! Now that is an example of government interference which results in a terrible skew in the economy...reward those who don't handle money carefully and penalize those who might be able to employ.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

So true, but that principle does not hold across the board. Banks are pressured by government arms to offer low rate, low quality loans for those who do not have good credit...buying houses with little to no capital down! Now that is an example of government interference which results in a terrible skew in the economy...reward those who don't handle money carefully and penalize those who might be able to employ.

How does that have anything to do with their business loans?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

How does that have anything to do with their business loans?

It puts the squeeze on business growth...fewer dollars for business start ups or expansion and thus growth due to the competing (questionable integrity) market of those housing loans. Fewer dollars are available for high quality loans than for low quality loans.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

It puts the squeeze on business growth...fewer dollars for business start ups or expansion and thus growth due to the competing (questionable integrity) market of those housing loans. Fewer dollars are available for high quality loans than for low quality loans.

Standards on business loans has nothing to do with shortage of money, it just has to do bank estimation of probability. Banks will hazard lots of money without blinking if they think the odds favor it. In the 1980's, they lost almost all the money they had made in entire history of the U.S., when South American countries defaulted on a ton of loans.

 

[buzuxi02]

Not only should Trump stay in, I'm beginning to think he may actually be squeaky clean. The Washington Post hired 20 private investigators to dig up dirt on him. All they can find is public radio interviews he gave in one of the highest rated radio show which millions listen to? His tax form from 1995 which was never a secret as his book, "The art of the comeback" was based on the events of his losses. And a tape recording that any guy listening to can relate to?
The fact is Trump wants to make peace with Putin and Russia which is the most important thing in this entire election and he was the only candidate that wants partnership with Russia. We now know he is not part of the one party establishment of war hawks.
The republicucks and demonicrats have showed their true reptilian colors.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

And a tape recording that any guy listening to can relate to?

And you call yourself Orthodox?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Standards on business loans has nothing to do with shortage of money, it just has to do bank estimation of probability. Banks will hazard lots of money without blinking if they think the odds favor it. In the 1980's, they lost almost all the money they had made in entire history of the U.S., when South American countries defaulted on a ton of loans.

You are not understanding me. It is a dollar market period. Money goes to housing with one standard hazarding great risk and dollars go to businesses with yet another standard. We had a good size business bank balance and couldn't get a line of credit for our business at one time.
Now you can go on I'm sure, but my major point is that there is discrimination of sorts taking place against business. Where are the requirements for collateral for housing so as to not further damage the economy? That is the real story in my view behind the economic crisis...that and Acorn.
Goodnight

 

[mark kennedy]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

It's unrealistic for him to bow out, in fact, I think it's fantasy. Donald Trump would never suffer such an egregious blow to his pride. He has been trailing in most polls but last time I checked he was leading in Ohio. They have always picked the winner and Trump apologized for his remarks about women. As Henry David Thoreau once said:

“All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers or back gammon, with a slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong, with moral questions; and betting naturally accompanies it. The character of the voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing to leave it to the majority. Its obligation, therefore, never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.” (Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobedience)​

Trump is going to roll the dice and see how this whole thing works itself out. He is still in this.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[buzuxi02]

Constantine,
You're saying your priest never heard a confession like that? What kind of conversations you think take place in frat houses? I hear worse everyday just from my female co-workers.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

You're saying your priest never heard a confession like that? What kind of conversations you think take place in frat houses? I hear worse everyday just from my female co-workers.

You're talking about the non-Orthodox, the world.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

There's no reason for Trump to bow out. What he is discovered to be was actually clearly visible anyway. It's just that some people see something in the abstract and don't realize what it means in the concrete, but once it sinks in, they finally react.

Basically, the voters have reaped what they voted for.

 

[CGL1023]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

I voted 'continue to run'. This controversy should inspire Trump to watch his speech like nothing else could have. I personally think Trump is an instrument for much needed political change. The Lord chooses rulers; I believe this time He has chosen Trump and I am praying to that end. Trump is the first GOP candidate since Reagan that had the spirit/bearing of a winner.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

The Lord chooses rulers;

So do you subscribe to divine ordination? if so, then are you a monarchist?

 

[Hallstone]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

Everybody has regrets, it we have remorse then what we have done is not as important as what we desire and purpose to do, anything he has done to this point has not derailed my vote for him in the least, because he is man enough to own up.

 

[Armoured]

I voted 'continue to run'. This controversy should inspire Trump to watch his speech like nothing else could have.

Hasn't this exact thing been said after every one of Trump's previous controversies?

"Well, 973rd time's the charm"

 

[CGL1023]

So do you subscribe to divine ordination? if so, then are you a monarchist?

For the sake of this discussion, who cares? Ref Dan 2:21

 

[buzuxi02]

Trump is the only candidate that sees through the State Department military industrial complex. That should be the primary issue in this election. A billionaire that moonlights in NYC in posh surroundings is not held in the same standard as a career politician. Ironically though he is being held at a higher standard. His opponent concealed, shielded and shamed her husbands concubines.
You would think a real estate mogul would have far more nefarious skeletons of greasing palms and other business shenanigans that would be uncovered. Only thing this uncovers is how the feminists have way to much clout in the federal elections of a global superpower.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I voted 'continue to run'. This controversy should inspire Trump to watch his speech like nothing else could have. I personally think Trump is an instrument for much needed political change. The Lord chooses rulers; I believe this time He has chosen Trump and I am praying to that end. Trump is the first GOP candidate since Reagan that had the spirit/bearing of a winner.

On the other hand, I think that the supporters of Trump are doing exactly what the people of Israel did when they angered the Lord by asking for a king. They want someone who will take charge and butt heads and make it happen their way regardless of political niceties.

Alas, such people are often not nice.