Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

[TheBibleIsTruth]

Show me where it says that...

Firstly, there is not a single place in the New Testament, where, after the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ, is anyone told, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exodus 20:8).

Secondly, in Exodus 31:12, 16, it is clear that the Sabbath Day is a "Covenant" between God and Israel, "“You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you...Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a Covenant forever".

Thirdly, Paul says that the Sabbath was a "shadow" of things to come, and that no person should be judged on this issue. "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17). Paul would not have said this, if the Sabbath Day was still applicable to Christians.

Fourthly, In Romans 14 Paul is very clear that the Seventh Day is NOT the day for worship of the Lord God. "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.". Here Paul says that there are some who "observe" one day, while there are others, who "observe" all days to the Glory of the Lord. Surely he would have reminded those who were disputing about which day, by quoting ""Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy"? This, as part of the Great Ten Commandments, should have settled the issue. But he does not.

Look at John 20:19, (and the other Gospels), "hen the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you"; and then, verse 26, "And after eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.", where, After eight days (meth' hêmeras oktô). That is the next Sunday evening, on the eighth day in reality just like "after three days" and "on the third day.. Then look at Acts 20:27, ""And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight,". 1 Corinthians 6:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come,". Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea,"

First Day=Sunday, because the Lord Jesus Christ was Raised from the dead, the devil defeated, death was forever conquered, and there was real hope for the whole human race. And all because of the RESURRECTION of the Great Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

 

[Yarddog]

Fulfill doesn't mean "done away with." He fulfilled all of the Law because He was able to execute it perfectly.

I haven't said anything was done away with. It doesn't apply to us and it isn't possible to keep it.

The "Mosaic Law" was not from Moses - Moses didn't write the law, nor did he have authority to found it.

I never implied any of this.

The Most High God

gave Moses the Law - but that was just because they were so spiritually derelict that they needed written words to tell the right from wrong.

Unlike Abraham, they had no faith. Just as Abraham was called out of Babylon and Lot was called out of Sodom, Israel was called out of Egypt but just like Lot's wife, the people of Israel kept looking back on what they were called out of.

God never reneged on obedience demands of us, or His Law. There is not one place where He says we can stop being obedient to Him.

I have never said that we can stop being obedient to God. Just as there was no Law for Abraham the Law of Moses does not apply to Christians. It applies to Jews.

We have a law which came before Moses, we have faith. This doesn't mean that we can act as we please, faith means trusting in God to lead us through his Holy Spirit.

God lives within us through his Spirit. That Spirit can lead us to obedience of his will just as Abraham was led by faith.

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

by doing and not doing what it says

Do you?

"You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.” (Exodus 35:3)
This means that you cannot cook, have hot water and heating in the winter. Do you obey this?

Exodus 34:21 says, "“Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest". Complete REST. which means that you cannot drive or take the bus to go to Church. You can do NO activities on the Sabbath. Do you?

Numbers 15:32-35 says, "While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. And the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.". Would you fully obey this, even when a member of your own family were the guilty one?

Nehemiah 13:15-18 says, "In those days I saw in Judah people treading winepresses on the Sabbath, and bringing in heaps of grain and loading them on donkeys, and also wine, grapes, figs, and all kinds of loads, which they brought into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day. And I warned them on the day when they sold food. Tyrians also, who lived in the city, brought in fish and all kinds of goods and sold them on the Sabbath to the people of Judah, in Jerusalem itself! Then I confronted the nobles of Judah and said to them, “What is this evil thing that you are doing, profaning the Sabbath day? Did not your fathers act in this way, and did not our God bring all this disaster on us and on this city? Now you are bringing more wrath on Israel by profaning the Sabbath.”
Do you EVER do shopping on the Sabbath Day? This is FORBIDDEN!

Exodus 16:28-30 says, "And the LORD said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day.". Do you EVER leave your home of the Sabbath Day, for anything?

 

[GodsGrace101]

How is it a ceremonial law, it was instituted at Creation before the fall, same as marriage

How is keeping the Sabbath or worshipping on Sunday
And keeping that day holy, a moral law??

 

[GodsGrace101]

Of course it matters, and the New Covenant books are to Christians, but not every verse is ABOUT Christians. Is 1 John 1:6?

I'm sorry, I meant that I couldn't understand your comment and so could not reply to you.
As to 1 John 1:6 you don't believe it's being written to
Christians.?

 

[GodsGrace101]

No where have I gave the indication that it was okay to do any of the things which God bans in the 10, but the 10 is part of the Law which brings death.

We cannot please God through trying to obey the Law. That cuts out the sacrifice.

The way to please God is to embrace the cross. The law has no power over those live by the power of God's Spirit. Stop worrying about obeying any of the law and surrender to the HS and allow that Spirit to lead us in obedience to Jesus' commandment to love.

A person who loves through the Spirit has no thoughts of murder, stealing, lying, committing adultery, etc. In this, it is the HS who has done all.

Your denomination and what you state is really confusing.
I doubt you know the doctrine of your church.

First of all the law is good. It's sin that is not good and brings death.
Romans 7:11-13

We had better please God by obeying His laws!
John 8:31 Jesus is saying this.

And the Holy Spirit does not "do it all".
He's here to help us to not do it all.

Please learn the difference between justification and progressive justification, as it is called by your church.

 

[GodsGrace101]

If you read what I have written you haven't seen anything that says it's okay to do those things.

Yes, well, those who speak as your post here,
also do not say we are not to do them.

I find it rather confusing, TTYTT.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Did I say anything about Catholic?

You've listed Catholic as your faith.
I know Catholic doctrine and theology.
You do not represent it.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I'm agreeing with scripture.

Which scripture would that be?
Could you post it please.

God desires to SAVE all men, not just 2 out of the 3 that are drowing.

1 Timothy 2:4
2 Peter 2:9
John 10:9
John 11:25-26
John 12:32

Could you post just one verse that says that God saves only certain persons because this is His wish.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I doubt that you understand this and that's okay but Adam is an allegory for the Jewish people.

Yeah, I don't think YOU do!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If someone wants to live under a curse, they have not just 10 Commandments to try and live by, but all 613 Commandments.

No one, not even Yeshua, can keep all 613...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Look at John 20:19, (and the other Gospels), "hen the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you"; and then, verse 26, "And after eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.", where, After eight days (meth' hêmeras oktô). That is the next Sunday evening, on the eighth day in reality just like "after three days" and "on the third day.. Then look at Acts 20:27, ""And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight,". 1 Corinthians 6:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come,". Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea,"

First Day=Sunday, because the Lord Jesus Christ was Raised from the dead, the devil defeated, death was forever conquered, and there was real hope for the whole human race. And all because of the RESURRECTION of the Great Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

Sunday is NOT the Sabbath day...

 

[GodsGrace101]

I don't know what type a person he was speaking of, but John is clear about a Christian.

1 John 3:5-9
5 "And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

Just how many times must we repent from all sin and are cleansed and given the Holy Spirit who does not lead us into any future willful sin???

And I'm sorry but 1 John 1:8-9 is about a nonChristian becoming a Christian. It is not a constant repeat of sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent forever!

Maybe this is why he didn't include scripture because there aren't any that are not misinterpreted. Beware of the false doctrines out there.

I don't know why you think 1 John was written to non-believers.
Do you have some support for this?

1 John was clearly written to believers.
1 John 2:12 calls the readers little children whose sins are forgiven for His name sake. That would be a Christian.
Verse 13, for Fathers, states that they have overcome the evil one.
3:1 the readers are called children of God.
3:13 the readers are called brethren.

 

[Kaon]

I haven't said anything was done away with. It doesn't apply to us and it isn't possible to keep it.


I never implied any of this.

Unlike Abraham, they had no faith. Just as Abraham was called out of Babylon and Lot was called out of Sodom, Israel was called out of Egypt but just like Lot's wife, the people of Israel kept looking back on what they were called out of.

I have never said that we can stop being obedient to God. Just as there was no Law for Abraham the Law of Moses does not apply to Christians. It applies to Jews.

We have a law which came before Moses, we have faith. This doesn't mean that we can act as we please, faith means trusting in God to lead us through his Holy Spirit.

God lives within us through his Spirit. That Spirit can lead us to obedience of his will just as Abraham was led by faith.

The Word of God is The Most High God's, and He gave the Word of God authority to do the Most High God's will.

Not the Word of God's will - the will of the Most High God. The Redeemer's commandments are the same ones He Himself TOLD MOSES. The Redeemed was the One who spoke the Words of Truth to the OT prophets and holy men.

Why would that same word of God contradict Himself by saying there are two laws, and two sets of people? He wouldnt. The Law of God is The entire Law of God - and we are expected to be obedient to it. There is no separation.

The antediluvian men and women of the Most High God did not need written or stoned law. They were not spiritually lame; they didn't ignore the Word of God on their hearts.

God has already written the law on our hearts; we simply have to follow it. But, it is the same Law as He gave Moses and the Prophets.



Where does the Most High God ever say His law is categorical, or conditional?

 

[Kaon]

I haven't said anything was done away with. It doesn't apply to us and it isn't possible to keep it.


I never implied any of this.

Unlike Abraham, they had no faith. Just as Abraham was called out of Babylon and Lot was called out of Sodom, Israel was called out of Egypt but just like Lot's wife, the people of Israel kept looking back on what they were called out of.

I have never said that we can stop being obedient to God. Just as there was no Law for Abraham the Law of Moses does not apply to Christians. It applies to Jews.

We have a law which came before Moses, we have faith. This doesn't mean that we can act as we please, faith means trusting in God to lead us through his Holy Spirit.

God lives within us through his Spirit. That Spirit can lead us to obedience of his will just as Abraham was led by faith.

You imply a weak obedience model when you suggest there are conditions for which we can follow the law of the Most High God. He gave One Law; where did He ever say He gave conditional or categorical laws - especially for certain people within the same umbrella as "His People"? If you are His, and you LOVE Him, you follow His commandments.

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

Sunday is NOT the Sabbath day...

where did I say that it was? The New Testament is very clear, to those who will only listen, that the OT Sabbath Day is NOT for Christians. PERIOD!

 

[Kaon]

No. I am not under the law because the law has done its work in me by leading me to faith in Jesus Christ.
"So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on works of the Law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” And it is clear that no one is justified before God by the Law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” Galatians 3:9-11
If someone wants to live under a curse, they have not just 10 Commandments to try and live by, but all 613 Commandments. And, even if they obeyed them all, they would still not be righteous in God's eyes because, "if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law (Galatians 3:21)." I choose to rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ, not in the unfinished work of my flesh.

600+ laws that are only there to get us to, and maintain health and perfection VS 12,000+ draconian laws geared at exploiting humans as consumers and commodities - and God's Word is the curse?

Are you all listening to what you are saying in your hearts?

 

[JoeP222w]

Two misused chapters by those who teach an unbiblical doctrine of salvation

Assertion from silence is simply an opinion and not overly meaningful.

 

[JoeP222w]

And what is the will of God for His most important creation?

Start here:
What Is the Will of God and How Do We Know It?

Intercedes for the saints:
Romans 8:27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Believer being able to discern the will of God:
Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

That which is done from a regenerate heart:
Ephesians 6:6 not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart,

Sanctification, abstaining from sin:
1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

Giving thanks in all circumstances:
1 Thessalonians 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

By doing good (after being justified) that it will silence foolish people:
1 Peter 2:15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.

To no longer live in human passions:
1 Peter 4:2 so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.

suffer for doing good:
1 Peter 3:17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.
1 Peter 4:19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.


et. al.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Start here:
What Is the Will of God and How Do We Know It?

Intercedes for the saints:
Romans 8:27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Believer being able to discern the will of God:
Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

That which is done from a regenerate heart:
Ephesians 6:6 not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart,

Sanctification, abstaining from sin:
1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

Giving thanks in all circumstances:
1 Thessalonians 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

By doing good (after being justified) that it will silence foolish people:
1 Peter 2:15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.

To no longer live in human passions:
1 Peter 4:2 so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.

suffer for doing good:
1 Peter 3:17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.
1 Peter 4:19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.


et. al.

This is a good post for those reading along who may not know John Piper.

As to sanctification...I agree but it is much more than sexual immorality --

As to John Piper, I'm not a calvinist and do not like to listen to him since I don't agree with anything he says.