This is an old challenge here at CF. No one yet has named an individual who has kept the law, save Jesus.
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This is an old challenge here at CF. No one yet has named an individual who has kept the law, save Jesus.Because I believe that when we are born again thought the Holy Spirit we are enabled to keep the law. Is it possible to love Jesus more than even your own family without being born again? Hardly! How can you break the power of sin without the Holy Spirit and even more so serving Jesus without knowing him?
This is in direct conflict with one of your previous posts. So what is the truth you wish to promote? Why should anyone believe you?Thanks for sharing!
In Romans 10, I think the law means the whole Mosaic Law. Paul is talking about how to be saved, and not what applies to a person that is saved. We can read about that in other places (like Romans 8 and of course James 2). What does it mean to live by faith? A saved person is not to keep the Mosaic Law, but is to live a righteous life and not live in sin. If a person doesn't keep the commandments, doesn't that mean he/she livs in sin?
Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
And riding on a servant (which requires yet another servant) is not a sin. That is rather odd.The Jews also have Talmudic laws about how to do Sabbath observance from sundown Friday til sundown Saturday, the seventh day of the week on the Hebrew calendar. There are 39 types of work forbidden on the Sabbath. It was against the law to light a lamp or candle on the Sabbath. While I was touring Israel, I read an English language web site on the Israeli Internet that stated turning on a light switch on the Sabbath is forbidden because it is like lighting a candle on the Sabbath. Orthodox neighborhoods in Jerusalem put temporary barricades across their streets to block traffic on the Sabbath. The ambulance service operates, but the buses do not. Some non-religious Jews drove on Sabbath, but these might be ostracized by religious Jews. At a hotel near Ben Gurion Airport the elevators stopped on every floor during Shabaht (Sabbath). This was because the Orthodox rabbis decided pushing an elevator button is work.
In Matthew 3:1-6 Jesus went into a synagogue and healed a person on the Sabbath. The Jews objected to this as physician's are not supposed to heal people on the Sabbath. The punishment for working on the Sabbath is stoning the person to death as recorded in the Torah. Another time Jesus and his disciples broke the Sabbath by gleaning wheat from a field. The poor were allowed to gather some grain for themselves in certain parts of a grain field, but they were not allowed to do this on the Sabbath.
The law is not perfect as parts of the Torah are comprised of the laws made by men that were not given by God.
No. Here in the US we go before the government, who taxed the legal right to copulate. Here we have a civil contract with no rules. Here the clergy are operatives of the government.That's very good.
But if you ever want a divorce, or annulment, you'll have to speak to your church!
Hi, I'm American and I know your comments are tongue in cheek.No. Here in the US we go before the government, who taxed the legal right to copulate. Here we have a civil contract with no rules. Here the clergy are operatives of the government.
bugkiller
I concur. Rom 11:32.
bugkiller
To be declared righteous by God means a person has faith in God alone and not on our works, and it is He who gives life, not our actions. No one is justified to God by works of the law, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.Thanks for sharing!
In Romans 10, I think the law means the whole Mosaic Law. Paul is talking about how to be saved, and not what applies to a person that is saved. We can read about that in other places (like Romans 8 and of course James 2). What does it mean to live by faith? A saved person is not to keep the Mosaic Law, but is to live a righteous life and not live in sin. If a person doesn't keep the commandments, doesn't that mean he/she livs in sin?
Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
the bible says that God is LOVE, that He is MERCYFUL and GOOD. I don't think the character of God fits the Calvinist view.
I don't think I mentioned Calvinism.
Even so, Calvinists believe and agree that God is love, merciful and good. Do you think that Calvinists do not believe this?
Moreover, Calvinist view the character of God as He is described in the Bible, so that last statement is a canard.
You only offered opinion. You provided no evidence.Your text has nothing to do with our discussion. I proved to you that Shabbat was in Genesis from the Hebrew and then the English translation. You were wrong. Do you admit it or not? I am not going to play your silly games...you are either interested in learning or you are not.
The Hebrew word translated rested is shabathOn the 7th day God rested....
His statement is nothing more than failure to get the word left out. Often times our fingers fail to do what their told. So why don't you administer some of the grace in your moniker?No comment.
And if I were a mean person, I'd report this...claiming that I might be on something. This is slanderous.
Your refusal proves you're in error.Your text has nothing to do with our discussion. I proved to you that Shabbat was in Genesis from the Hebrew and then the English translation. You were wrong. Do you admit it or not? I am not going to play your silly games...you are either interested in learning or you are not.
Did any one see the word "sabbath?" I didn't. Moses knew the word "sabbath," why didn't he use it if that is what he meant? The 4th commandment says wherefore meaning because, not is.In English for you:
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
Yeah I do have other things to do in life. I mixed and poured 31 bags of concrete besides other things like eat and do other chores.Yes, the ONE thing I agree with you on!!!!
Obfuscation and avoidance is the game played here. It creates site traffic.Nope, got that wrong. That's not what I said. I was asking questions, waiting for answers.
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