Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

[Yarddog]

So you only reply to the posts you like??
Here they are again:
no. 352
no. 354
no. 355

Please go back and read all of my post. You will find the replies, if those posts were worthy of response.

 

[zoidar]

We all know the above...
Yeshua pulled grain on the Sabbath and healed on the Sabbath.
That's work.

Wasn't it so that the pharisees and the scribes added all kinds of stuff to the law, so it was impossible to keep? It became a burden to people. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, was it really work? Or was it considered work by the pharisees? I wonder? At least they had totally misunderstood the Sabbath.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Examples please. What does Jesus tell us to do, and not do?

This is for @zoidar but the answer is very easy...:

Mathew 4:19 witnessing
Mathew 5:3-10 how we are to behave
Mathew 5:16
Mathew 5:19
Mathew 5:32
Mathew 5:36
Mathew 6:2
Mathew 6:16
so many more!!
Mathew 25:34-46
etc etc etc

 

[GodsGrace101]

Please go back and read all of my post. You will find the replies, if those posts were worthy of response.

Worthy of response!
The problem is that you're not able to respond to them, so any excuse will do.
That was a very mean response by you, BTW.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Wasn't it so that the pharisees and the scribes added all kinds of stuff to the law, so it was impossible to keep? It became a burden to people. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, was it really work? Or was it considered work by the pharisees? I wonder? At least they had totally misunderstood the Sabbath.

The pharisees tried to keep the law perfectly.
They wouldn't even save an animal's life if he fell into a pit on the Sabbath. So they kept the LETTER of the law, but they didn't keep the SPIRIT of the law.
Mark 7:1-8
1The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3(For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thusobserving the traditions of the elders; 4and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5The Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?”

6And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

7‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’

8“Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”

You're right, Jesus said the Sabbath is for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mark 7:27
27Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

 

[GodsGrace101]

Wasn't it so that the pharisees and the scribes added all kinds of stuff to the law, so it was impossible to keep? It became a burden to people. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, was it really work? Or was it considered work by the pharisees? I wonder? At least they had totally misunderstood the Sabbath.

P.S. Yes, man did add a lot of his own laws to those of God.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Hmmm, maybe the problem is that you don't read what was written.

(since you say we are no longer under the law and Jesus says we are)
Jesus doesn't say that we are under the law. Who is Jesus talking to or do you read the text?

Could you just exegete Mathew 5:17-20???

 

[GodsGrace101]

Hey, you were the who said Jesus couldn't follow the law.

@Yeshua HaDerekh could answer to this himself.
If he's not around, I will.

ITMT, do your exegesis of Mathew 5:17-20
(or can you???)

 

[bcbsr]

Is it possible or not to keep the 10 commandments?

If it's not possible to keep the commandments, why do Jesus and also Paul say we are to keep the commandments?

If you believe it's possible then my question is are you doing it, flawlessly? If not, why not?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Ah ... just a few things ...

• Repent
  
  
  
• Follow Me
  
  
• Rejoice
  
  
  
• Let Your Light Shine
  
  
• Honor God’s Law
  
  
  
• Be Reconciled
  
  
  
• Do Not Lust
  
  
• Keep Your Word
  
  
• Go the Second Mile
  
  
• Love Your Enemies
  
  
• Be Perfect
  
  
  
• Practice Secret Disciplines
  
  
  
• Lay Up Treasures
  
  
• Seek God’s Kingdom
  
  
• Judge Not
  
  
• Do Not Cast Pearls
  
  
• Ask, Seek, Knock
  
  
• Do Unto Others
  
  
  
• Choose the Narrow Way
  
  
  
• Beware of False Prophets
  
  
  
• Pray for Laborers
  
  
  
• Be Wise as Serpents
  
  
• Fear Not
  
  
  
• Hear God’s Voice
  
  
  
• Take My Yoke
  
  
  
• Honor Your Parents
  
  
  
• Beware of Leaven
  
  
• Deny Yourself
  
  
  
• Despise Not Little Ones
  
  
• Go to Offenders
  
  
• Beware of Covetousness
  
  
  
• Forgive Offenders
  
  
• Honor Marriage
  
  
• Be a Servant
  
  
• Be a House of Prayer
  
  
• Ask in Faith
  
  
  
• Bring In the Poor
  
  
• Render to Caesar
  
  
  
• Love the Lord
  
  
• Love Your Neighbor
  
  
• Await My Return
  
  
  
• Take, Eat, and Drink
  
  
  
• Be Born Again
  
  
  
• Keep My Commandments
  
  
  
• Watch and Pray
  
  
• Feed My Sheep
  
  
  
• Baptize My Disciples
  
  
  
• Receive God’s Power
  
  
  
• Make Disciples
  

What are the commands of Christ?

Also:

• Give to the poor
  

Good! I was hoping these would be what you meant. So many refer to the Ten Commandments and keeping the Sabbath Day.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Hey, you were the who said Jesus couldn't follow the law.

I didn't say that. You THOUGHT that because you know nothing regarding Torah.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We all know the above...
Yeshua pulled grain on the Sabbath and healed on the Sabbath.
That's work.

Actually it isn't. THEY SAID it was. You are permitted to heal and do good on Shabbat, in fact it is required. Pulling grain to eat is not work. The poor are permitted to glean. They are not buying or selling. They were not cooking or kindling fire, etc.

 

[JoeP222w]

isn't that indirectly choosing some for hell, since He is not choosing them for heaven, even He could.

No. God does not choose who goes to Hell, directly or indirectly. Since man is naturally born with a sinful nature, man is already condemned. What is amazing is that God saves anyone at all.

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Actually it isn't. THEY SAID it was. You are permitted to heal and do good on Shabbat, in fact it is required. Pulling grain to eat is not work. The poor are permitted to glean. They are not buying or selling. The were not cooking or kindling fire, etc.

I said this in my post no. 405:

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The pharisees tried to keep the law perfectly.
They wouldn't even save an animal's life if he fell into a pit on the Sabbath. So they kept the LETTER of the law, but they didn't keep the SPIRIT of the law.
Mark 7:1-8
1The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3(For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thusobserving the traditions of the elders; 4and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5The Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?”

6And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

7‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’

8“Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”

You're right, Jesus said the Sabbath is for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mark 7:27
27Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

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Also...
Luke 13:10-17
10And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11And there was a woman who for eighteen years had had a sickness caused by a spirit; and she was bent double, and could not straighten up at all. 12When Jesus saw her, He called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your sickness.” 13And He laid His hands on her; and immediately she was made erect again and began glorifying God. 14But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, “There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” 15But the Lord answered him and said, “You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him? 16“And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?” 17As He said this, all His opponents were being humiliated; and the entire crowd was rejoicing over all the glorious things being done by Him.

Also,
Mathew 12:1-8
1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. 2But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.” 3But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, 4how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5“Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent? 6“But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. 7“But if you had known what this means, ‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

I was using these verses for my comments.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If you believe it's possible then my question is are you doing it, flawlessly? If not, why not?

Ah yes, the old "if you cant follow it 100%, why follow it at all?" arguement! If you cant get a 100% in every class in school, why go at all??

 

[1stcenturylady]

Where did you learn this?
John is writing a letter and he goes back and forth talking to Christians and non-Christians? He is talking to Christians, and also those who would like to be Christian, throughout his letter.
These letters were for Christians---I'm sure some hopeful Christians were always in the mix in all the letters. This does not change the fact that they were written to existing Christians.
Clopas
1 John 3:9
You're saying that a Christian never sins? Please be clear.
1 John 3:9 says that no one who is born of God PRACTICES sin.
Those who PRACTICE SIN are of the devil. Verse 8.
John is not saying we will never sin because he gives the solution for this in 1 John 1:9.




John is speaking about those that are not saved in these verses. He's comparing Christians with non-Christians who practice sin. So, you're saying that non-Christians are not TRUE CHRISTIANS? Of course they're not. I'm losing your point here.


1 John was written to believers. I believe he's admonishing them not to sin since, as today, some believed they could sin and still be called Christian. By "sin" I mean specifically those that believe we are not required to follow the law of God, the moral law. This was a heresy back then as it is now, but it is not easily recognizable. Chapter 3:8-10 speaks to this immorality.

John is writing a letter and he goes back and forth talking to Christians and non-Christians?

He is talking to his congregation in Ephesus. The reason for writing this letter in the first place is because of the false doctrine of the Nicolaitans that was infiltrating the Church. Paul battled them too. He is writing the difference between those in the light, and those in the darkness so they could recognize the false from the true. 1 John 4:1-3 he pinpoints the basis for their false doctrine.

He is talking to Christians, and also those who would like to be Christian, throughout his letter.
These letters were for Christians---I'm sure some hopeful Christians were always in the mix in all the letters. This does not change the fact that they were written to existing Christians.

There is a difference between a true Christian and those who use the name, but still walk in darkness.

1 John 3:9
You're saying that a Christian never sins? Please be clear.
1 John 3:9 says that no one who is born of God PRACTICES sin.
Those who PRACTICE SIN are of the devil. Verse 8.
John is not saying we will never sin because he gives the solution for this in 1 John 1:9.

The word is not 'practice' nor does it infer just practice. What translation are you looking at???
Throw it away.

1 John 3:9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

1 John 3:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 3:9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

John is speaking about those that are not saved in these verses. He's comparing Christians with non-Christians who practice sin. So, you're saying that non-Christians are not TRUE CHRISTIANS? Of course they're not. I'm losing your point here.

Maybe I misunderstood you then. Do you believe 1 John 1:8 is talking to and about a Christian? "8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us."

Some do use that verse claiming a Christians sins.

1 John was written to believers. I believe he's admonishing them not to sin since, as today, some believed they could sin and still be called Christian. By "sin" I mean specifically those that believe we are not required to follow the law of God, the moral law. This was a heresy back then as it is now, but it is not easily recognizable. Chapter 3:8-10 speaks to this immorality.

I agree.

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

Yes Yeshua is the incarnate Son. He is not a woman, so again you are wrong. Are you not Trinitarian?

I said what I did, because you make this outrageous statement, "not even Yeshua could follow ALL 613"

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

We all know the above...
Yeshua pulled grain on the Sabbath and healed on the Sabbath.
That's work.

Yeshua is ALMIGHTY GOD, He made the Law for US, not HIM, He can do as He pleases, and no one can say anything!

 

[1stcenturylady]

LOL I understand!
I'd say that a willful sin is thought of beforehand. It's intentional.
The other sins we commit are done because we're human and this will happen. I spoke about this in a post of mine at the beginning of this thread.
I like to ask forgiveness for all sins, those I know about and those that escape my thought.
This is why I say that we sin every day --- even if we're not aware of it.

Good post.

I've got a good verse in 1 John that we should live by seeing as we don't always know what is sin in God's perfect pattern, but the Spirit knows and works through our super-sensitized conscience (a result of being baptized in the Spirit.)

1 John 3:
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I said what I did, because you make this outrageous statement, "not even Yeshua could follow ALL 613"

I made my statement because you obviously know next to nothing regarding Torah...