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So, she didn't leave you for another man. She left you, and you fornicated immediately and continuously with your "partner" until she died?
You are wrong to say that I am wrongWrong. It depends on guilt. If one party is guilty of adultery (it has to be a sexual sin) and the divorce is due to that sexual sin, then the innocent party is free to remarry. Why? Because the guilty party is dead spiritually speaking in God's eyes, leaving the innocent a widow/widower, free of the covenant.
I had briefly thought this was also talking exclusively about lying about one's virginity based on the fact that word "forncation" was used, too. For we see fornication is primarily used to refer to sex outside of marriage (Which is true). What changed my mind on the extended mean of "fornication" are three things. First, how does this law of exception on lying about virginity apply in a world like today? How often would this case come up? Not very often. But lets not let looking at logic alone to make our case here (Which then leads me into my other two points). Two, the word "fornication" is used as in reference to unfaithfulness in a marriage covenant with Israel in Ezekiel 16:26. It is claried in verse 8, God says to Israel,
"...Behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine." (Ezekiel 16:8).
26 "Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.
27 Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.
28 Thou hast played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith."
(Ezekiel 16:26-29).[/INDENT]
Three, in Hosea 2, Hosea had told Gomer's family that he was no longer his wife. No doubt Hosea divorced Gomer because of her sexual misconduct with many men when they were married. Important Note: Many believe God told Hosea to marry a prostitute to begin with. This is wrong and it is not what the beginning of Hosea 1 says. Hosea married a wife of whoredoms (idolatry). Meaning, Hosea married a wife of a people of idolatry and he did not marry a harlot to begin with. She later become a harlot or prostitute, but he divorced her and the later bought her out of the sex slave trade (back in those days) and he became her loving friend and servant....
I understand, it was an attempt to patch my deep pain instead of relying solely on God as I'm doing now since my partner died.A person's first legal marriage by the state or their country is lawful and considered a real marriage to God despite previous relationships. Can God forgive us of our sins? Yes, but I think that we also have to not only confess our sins but we have to forsake those sins, too. Granted, a person can be saved by confessing their sins or by accepting Christ before they shortly die. I just do not see how your second marriage lines up with the words of Jesus. I know you deeply loved each other, but our love for one another should never be above the Word of God.
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To be honest, I still struggle with involuntary release in my sleep. But voluntary masturbation, that is really far from me. I would say, 3 years. I believe that Jesus speaks against masturbation when he talks about your right hand bringing you to a fall. It would make pretty good sense in the context.He is doing this now, it gets even better the closer we draw near and stay.
May I ask a question being celibate?
When was the last time you succumbed to temptation of the flesh to sexual release? I'm 32 y/o :O celibacy is for many years God willing a long life!
What way out has God provided you during the worst of temptation.
To be honest, I still struggle with involuntary release in my sleep. But voluntary masturbation, that is really far from me. I would say, 3 years. I believe that Jesus speaks against masturbation when he talks about your right hand bringing you to a fall. It would make pretty good sense in the context.
.So, she didn't leave you for another man. She left you, and you fornicated immediately and continuously with your "partner" until she died?
Wrong. It depends on guilt. If one party is guilty of adultery (it has to be a sexual sin) and the divorce is due to that sexual sin, then the innocent party is free to remarry. Why? Because the guilty party is dead spiritually speaking in God's eyes, leaving the innocent a widow/widower, free of the covenant.
Okay so you want to be hyper literal fine. What makes a marriage in G-d's eyes?
The act of physical union. That means that the first woman you had sex with happens to be your current wife then you are in an adulterous relationship with your current wife. If your wife had premarital sex with any other man she is an adulterous woman and since you married her you are STILL engaging in adultery.
CONTEXT PEOPLE!
Yes I committed that 2 months after she left me and said she wants nothing to do with me going forward.
So, if he bothered to murder her husband first, that made it all right?Don't forget, Bathsheba was a widow, not a divorced woman. So apples and oranges. David repented about the death after Nathan spoke to him and opened his eyes to his sin. God's punishment was taking David's son. That was Old Testament, and God deals with us differently now in the New Covenant.
These are just a few to show how God sees adultery and abominations. This is why sexual sin is spoken of so much. It is not so much of a covenant being broken and freeing two people, as to WHY a covenant is broken, and the vengeance of the Lord on the guilty party. And I'm not talking about BEFORE Christ, as ALL SINS are wiped clean at that point, but WILLFUL sins after Christ is considered trampling on the Spirit of Grace. Grace is not a license to sin.
Leviticus 20:10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death."
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 24:1-“When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.
Deuteronomy 22:13 “If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, 14 and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ 15 then the father and mother of the young woman shall take and bring out the evidence of the young woman’s virginity to the elders of the city at the gate. 16 And the young woman’s father shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man as wife, and he detests her. 17 Now he has charged her with shameful conduct, saying, “I found your daughter was not a virgin,” and yet these are the evidences of my daughter’s virginity.’ And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18 Then the elders of that city shall take that man and punish him; 19 and they shall fine him one hundred shekels of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name on a virgin of Israel. And she shall be his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days.
20 “But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, 21 then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you."
So, she didn't leave you for another man. She left you, and you fornicated immediately and continuously with your "partner" until she died? If she didn't leave you for another man, you were still married in God's eyes when you started your fornication relationship. If this is the case, her subsequent remarriage is legal.
Because she is still bound to me in marriage.
I don't believe this, I believe God forgives.
Jesus told the woman at the well that she had had six husbands, that the one she now had was not her husband. So He recognized all her actual marriages (God had not yet given the law we are not discussing.) But He did not recognize "shacking up." So your definition of marriage is flawed. But the moral life you are speaking of is unacceptable n anyone professing the name of Christ.
But you didn't cause her to leave unless there is something more to it. If she left for no reason, it's on her.
So, she didn't leave you for another man. She left you, and you fornicated immediately and continuously with your "partner" until she died? If she didn't leave you for another man, you were still married in God's eyes when you started your fornication relationship. If this is the case, her subsequent remarriage is legal.
The problem in repenting now is that your partner is dead. You loved her more than God for as long as she lived. It is more convenient to repent now, as part of repentance is turning away from the object of your sin.
If I were you, I would pray for God to create a new heart in you. One that wants to do God's will always for the rest of your life. He will do that if you ask with an honest heart. But if you keep playing games with God, He always wins, and you will lose.
Of course he does but do you really think God will forgive someone who makes a habit of say theft or even murder? The adultery is something that will be with you perpetually..an ongoing thing, but forgiveness requires repentance, or to stop what you are doing wrong.
Like the thief, if they stop, ask forgiveness they are fine, but if they don't repent/stop and make a habit of it, not fine....not fine at all
So, if he bothered to murder her husband first, that made it all right?
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I'm the least in the kingdom at the moment, I have much to be chastised for.
Nope. Fornication occurs between UNMARRIED people.
You will not find a single instance where in LITERAL translations the word fornication is used there. Furthermore if you look at the Orthodox translation the word used as harlot or fornication is Zonah which does NOT mean harlot but rather a woman who has engaged in one of the prohibited sexual practices (usually of a closer than allowed relative)
The type of woman Hosea was to marry: And Hashem said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee an eshet zenunim (wife of whoredoms) and yeladim of zenunim; for ha'aretz hath committed great whoredom, by departing from Hashem.
She is NOT called Zonah they are 2 very different things.
But you didn't cause her to leave unless there is something more to it. If she left for no reason, it's on her.
Of course he does but do you really think God will forgive someone who makes a habit of say theft or even murder? The adultery is something that will be with you perpetually..an ongoing thing, but forgiveness requires repentance, or to stop what you are doing wrong.
Like the thief, if they stop, ask forgiveness they are fine, but if they don't repent/stop and make a habit of it, not fine....not fine at all
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