Is it okay for a U.S. christian to own a liquor store?

[jimmyjimmy]

It doesn't matter what he tells them. He knows the people in his community WILL EVENTUALLY GET DRUNK as a matter of fact! There is not one liquor store owner whose liquor does not get people drunk in his area. If a Christian owned something that could lead people into sin, why would they want others to go to hell by their store?

People do make their own beer and wine with apples, grapes, wheat and hops. Then they get drunk and beat their wives, and spend the rent money, leaving their children without food — Therefore - If *you* sell any of those items to *anyone* you are guilty of "sending them to Hell".

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You claim matter of fact and that is nothing more than a straw man argument. You cant prove that is an alleged fact. I am the only person in my family to ever become an alcoholic. All of my family members visited the same liquor store for a period of over 45 years and yet Im the only one who chose to become an addict. You are speaking about something you know nothing about. That much is apparent. You're making yourself look really under-educated here. You should digress to those who actually know about this subject.

So you believe that there is a liquor store out there that has never gotten one person drunk before?

 

[RaymondG]

So you honestly believe that there is a liquor store out there in the US that does not result in people getting drunk off the liquor they sell over the many years they were in business?

Do you honestly believe that there is any business out there, religious or otherwise, that can claim that no one was ever able and will never be able to commit sin as a result of what they were offering?

 

[SkyWriting]

Drinking Liquor can have far more negative consequences than eating food.....and probably should not be compared. Eating too much can directly kill the eater only....... While Drinking too much liquor can kill you and those around you.Just compare the numbers.....How many innocent people are killed a year by those who drank too much liquor... And how many are killed by those who ate too much food?

Then we should compare the numbers, by your request.

An estimated 88,0006 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women6) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity.
Obesity poised to overtake smoking as leading preventable...

Interestingly, a low BMI has a dramatic effect on the increase of toxicity of alcohol. Skinny drinkers die faster. Not too surprising. But overweighters as well suffer.

 

[1Reformedman]

If you owned guns, and sold one of your to another people legally.....and that person went and killed someone with it......Would you really feel absolutely nothing concerning your part in it? Im not talking about any blame......but anything more than just remorse for the death of a soul?.......like a desire to not have the device you sold, be used in a murder?

No, I would not feel bad about selling the weapon. He chose to use his legally bought weapon to go out and commit a crime. That's on him not on me. If I knew the person was going to do so I wouldn't sell him the weapon.

Would you say the same about selling a car to someone who goes out and runs someone over with it 6 weeks after you sold the car because he chose to get drunk and drive it? IF you would then you are putting a more onerous burden on yourself than you should.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

So you believe that there is a liquor store out there that has never gotten one person drunk before?

There has NEVER been a liquor store that has, "gotten one person drunk" — Ever.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

People do make their own beer and wine with apples, grapes, wheat and hops. Then they get drunk and beat their wives, and spend the rent money, leaving their children without food — Therefore - If *you* sell any of those items to *anyone* you are guilty of "sending them to Hell".

Only the alcoholic substance can lead others into sin by what it is. The natural foods do not lead a person to fall into drunkenness. Only the alcohol does that.

 

[1Reformedman]

So you believe that there is a liquor store out there that has never gotten one person drunk before?

Show me a single liquor store that forced someone to get drunk!!!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There has NEVER been a liquor store that has, "gotten one person drunk" — Ever.

They helped to contribute to other people's drunkenness. They made it available to them. So yes. They are in part to blame by providing the DIRECT means by which a person can drunk by. Again, it is like a DVD porn shop owner. They can lead men into fornication by the providing of Porn DVDs. It's the same with alcohol. A person can get drunk off one drink if they are a light weight.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Only the alcoholic substance can lead others into sin by what it is. The natural foods do not lead a person to fall into drunkenness. Only the alcohol does that.

You don't know how wine and beer are made?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Show me a single liquor store that forced someone to get drunk!!!

Again, I did not say the liquor store owner forced people to get drunk, I am saying that is the eventual conclusion of what is going to happen. A person who does not know he is a light weight can get drunk off one glass of hard liquor. The store owner does not care about this. He just wants to make money and he has no problem in people getting drunk and partying. Yet, drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

They helped to contribute to other people's drunkenness. They made it available to them. So yes. They are in part to blame by providing the DIRECT means by which a person can drunk by. Again, it is like a DVD porn shop owner. They can lead men into fornication by the providing of Porn DVDs. It's the same with alcohol. A person can get drunk off one drink if they are a light weight.

Your financial advisor helped contribute to someone's love of money, and is responsible for their one-way ticket to that fiery place.

 

[RaymondG]

Then we should compare the numbers.

An estimated 88,0006 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women6) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity.
Obesity poised to overtake smoking as leading preventable

You too, decided to miss-read my post. I said nothing of a person killing themselves with alcohol or over eating. I only spoke of the number of innocent that are killed from over drinking, compared to over eating. Is it more dangerous to eat and then drive, or drink? How many innocent people are killed by eating a lot before driving, as opposed to drinking a lot and then driving?

I can understand why you chose to ignore the point of my post to comment on a random stat......however, this does nothing for conversation.

 

[1Reformedman]

Again, I did not say the liquor store owner forced people to get drunk, I am saying that is the eventual conclusion of what is going to happen. A person who does not know he is a light weight can get drunk off one glass of hard liquor. The store owner does not care about this. He just wants to make money and he has no problem in people getting drunk and partying. Yet, drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

You are as usual ASSUMING and calling it a fact.

 

[1Reformedman]

Again, I did not say the liquor store owner forced people to get drunk, I am saying that is the eventual conclusion of what is going to happen. A person who does not know he is a light weight can get drunk off one glass of hard liquor. The store owner does not care about this. He just wants to make money and he has no problem in people getting drunk and partying. Yet, drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

No one whom God didnt choose to save will enter heaven so what is your point? God controls who goes to heaven not humans.

 

[SkyWriting]

So you believe that there is a liquor store out there that has never gotten one person drunk before?

Obesity is a bigger problem. No pun intended.
Interesting that scripture covered that back
before food was sooo easy to find.

Proverbs 25:16
If you have found honey, eat only enough for you, lest you have your fill of it and vomit it.

What Does the Bible Say About Gluttony?

You local grocery store owner is the bigger sinner than the liquor store owner. Ouch! I still think Pizza wins the sins race though. It's not rich people lined outside the pizza shop door like my Little Ceasars.

"Little Caesars is the largest carryout-only pizza chain in the United States and the home
of the large $5 Hot-N-Ready® Classic pizza. "

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You don't know how wine and beer are made?

I know how wine is made. One of my family members used to make wine when I was younger. Again, grapes do not intoxicate people if they eat them. Sure, they can try to make alcohol out of the grapes, but they have to intentionally set out to do that. Grapes does not equal instant intoxication. Alcoholic beverages (like hard liquor) leads to instant intoxication if consumed. A glass of 151 can lead a light weight person to be drunk right away. They may not even be aware of it, and they are drunk. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

They helped to contribute to other people's drunkenness. They made it available to them. So yes. They are in part to blame by providing the DIRECT means by which a person can drunk by. Again, it is like a DVD porn shop owner. They can lead men into fornication by the providing of Porn DVDs. It's the same with alcohol. A person can get drunk off one drink if they are a light weight.

Car dealers sell cars to people who speed, crash, and die.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Obesity is a bigger problem. No pun intended.

A person can be drunk off one glass of super hard liquor, and they can drive and kill other people, or they can sleep with women and get them pregnant, etc.; A person who eats food is not going to be drive drunk and or fornicate with women without good judgment. Why do you think they call them spirits? Because spirits can take control of a person more easier if they drink of alcohol.

 

[1Reformedman]

Do you honestly believe that there is any business out there, religious or otherwise, that can claim that no one was ever able and will never be able to commit sin as a result of what they were offering?

Can you show that I'm to blame for the drinker's action of drinking excessively just because he bought a bottle of booze from my store? No, you can't and Im not letting you or anyone else blame me for another's personal flawed and finite choices.