Is it "Christian" to Attack other Faiths?

[AMMON]

I have been to the temple and find all of the goings on there to be nothing more then rediculous. The acting is poor and the meaning is vacant.

You keep writing, "rediculous." At first, I dismissed it as a typo, but it's driving me crazy, because the repetition thereof is not a typo. The word is "ridiculous."

And the use of that pejorative word is, in my opinion, flaming, which violates the rules of this site. I would say you're on thin ice there.

Regarding your impression of the Temple, it is my opinion that you were not prepared to enter it, for whatever reason. For this, I am sorry, as you missed one of the most wonderful things on the Planet.

 

[Rescued One]

Can you show me an example of this "LDS doublespeak" that I'm guilty of?

Tom

Tom, I never said you were personally guilty of doublespeak.

 

[Rescued One]

You know, before reaching these CFs, I couldn't understand the fight between protestants and catholics, two branchs of the same Christianity, in Ireland. After reading some threads about Mormonism and JW... I think now I understand. A pity, a pity, but now I am beggining to understand.

Would be too much to ask for both sides to chill out a little, and try to find things that bring us together, and not set us apart?

I believe this forum is to discuss the differences between biblical doctrine and unorthodox theological doctrines. This isn't Ireland. We are not being violent.

 

[twhite982]

Tom, I never said you were personally guilty of doublespeak.

GodsWordisTrue,

This is what I was responding to:

The LDS church reminds me of the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. There's the picture you want the world to see and then there's the other side.

and

Tom, I don't know that you are personally. But I will say that I'm very familiar with the LDS doublespeak: the half-truths, the genuine thinking that you're feeding milk to babes and saving the hard stuff for later when the member is entrenched in the LDS faith.

Again I don't know any LDS who intentionally mis-represents the church in order to "evangelize" others.

As far as teaching milk before meat, are you kidding? This is very Biblical.

Tom

 

[Rescued One]

You keep writing, "rediculous." At first, I dismissed it as a typo, but it's driving me crazy, because the repetition thereof is not a typo. The word is "ridiculous."

And the use of that pejorative word is, in my opinion, flaming, which violates the rules of this site. I would say you're on thin ice there.

Regarding your impression of the Temple, it is my opinion that you were not prepared to enter it, for whatever reason. For this, I am sorry, as you missed one of the most wonderful things on the Planet.

I, myself used to be an excellent speller, and I let misspellings bother me. But do we need to pick on people for not spelling every word correctly? God didn't give us all the same talents. You knew what word that was or you wouldn't have been able to correct his spelling. Isn't communication more important than spelling here?

As for someone's impression of the temple, the only people who were considered prepared were the ones who liked whatever went on in there. If someone was disgusted by the experience, the standard LDS reply is that they weren't worthy or weren't prepared. However, the other side of the story is that God opens people's eyes to the evil disguised as truth that takes place in secret rooms.

 

[ByGrace]

You keep writing, "rediculous." At first, I dismissed it as a typo, but it's driving me crazy, because the repetition thereof is not a typo. The word is "ridiculous."

And the use of that pejorative word is, in my opinion, flaming, which violates the rules of this site. I would say you're on thin ice there.

Regarding your impression of the Temple, it is my opinion that you were not prepared to enter it, for whatever reason. For this, I am sorry, as you missed one of the most wonderful things on the Planet.

i amm vary sory abowt dat spelin prawblem. thax fur shoaing mee mi mystaks.

As for my not being "prepared" for the temple experience, that is just nonsense and is RE-DICULOUS. Are you saying that in fact your belief is not true that the bishop and stake president have discernment about who they send to the temple? What about them offering me the melchizidek priesthood and making me a ward mission leader and executive secretary. All of these were done supposedly as a CALLING from God. Are you telling me that God was wrong about my being "prepared" Furthermore, there is nothing to be prepared for. I understood very well what I was doing and what the temple ceremonies meant. I went many times and I am sorry to say that it is not such a grand experience. As for my expressing my oppinion and it being flaming, Nice try.

 

[Rescued One]

GodsWordisTrue,

This is what I was responding to:


and


Again I don't know any LDS who intentionally mis-represents the church in order to "evangelize" others.

As far as teaching milk before meat, are you kidding? This is very Biblical.

Tom

An example of the LDS milk before meat theory:

Before becoming a member, you are told that there was a complete apostacy and the true church had to be restored through Joseph Smith. You are told about the wonderful emphasis on family life, that God wants marriage to last throughout eternity. After joining you hear how LDS have ridiculed the Triune God, and how Mormons can become gods themselves. You learn that the LDS gods were mere men at one time; they had to earn their godhood. You learn that the worthy spirits in the pre-existance came to LDS parents. You realize that LDS are no more worthy than any other people on earth; they just think they are. You find out how disgusting the temple ordinances are and have no basis in God's word. You find that the favorite scripture among LDS is the Book of Mormon. You realize the self-righteousness that exists among LDS. A self-righteousness that elevates LDS above anyone who smokes, or has an occasional cup of coffee. It's all about the church, the general authorites, and self. The church this and the church that. "Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah." Please---we go to church to worship and praise God, and you want us to sing praises to Joseph Smith? Invite people to church. Invite your Christian friends to church---because they only have Jesus, not the "restored gospel."

You discuss how to win people to Mormonism. Don't tell them what the leaders have said in the past. Don't tell them that god the father had sex with the virgin mary(another unofficial doctrine). If they ask you which god you worship, tell them you pray to the Father in Jesus' name. But before that half-truth, you were told that if you get in a tight spot and don't know the answer, bear your testimony: I know that the LDS church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that Gorden B. Whoever is a prophet of God today. Now the famous LDS cop-out is "That's not official doctrine." LDS doctrine doesn't line up with God's word. Ask too many questions, and the other LDS will eye you supiciously. "If you live it, God will strengthen your testimony," they say. In other words, "Shut up and keep working."

It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[WeakAndSimple]

Hello,
I saw the thread, and could not help but join in on this conversation. It is a topic that is dear to my heart. You can find my full feelings about this topic at my website:

Edited by moderator --- no links until 15 posts, no promotion of own website. Rule #3...

I love the LORD, and I know that he loves each and every one of us, regardless of our faults, follies, and weaknesses. He is patient, merciful, kind, and loving. He is slow to anger and quick to forgive. I am grateful for his grace, and I know that he wants us to extend that same kind of love to one another. As we do so, we will feel his love grow stronger and stronger each day in our own lives. We will come to know him. We will have joy and peace and comfort, and have the Holy Spirit to guide our way to eternal life.

In the Name of JESUS CHRIST, amen

 

[twhite982]

An example of the LDS milk before meat theory:

Before becoming a member, you are told that there was a complete apostacy and the true church had to be restored through Joseph Smith. You are told about the wonderful emphasis on family life, that God wants marriage to last throughout eternity. After joining you hear how LDS have ridiculed the Triune God, and how Mormons can become gods themselves. You learn that the LDS gods were mere men at one time; they had to earn their godhood. You learn that the worthy spirits in the pre-existance came to LDS parents. You realize that LDS are no more worthy than any other people on earth; they just think they are. You find out how disgusting the temple ordinances are and have no basis in God's word. You find that the favorite scripture among LDS is the Book of Mormon. You realize the self-righteousness that exists among LDS. A self-righteousness that elevates LDS above anyone who smokes, or has an occasional cup of coffee. It's all about the church, the general authorites, and self. The church this and the church that. "Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah." Please---we go to church to worship and praise God, and you want us to sing praises to Joseph Smith? Invite people to church. Invite your Christian friends to church---because they only have Jesus, not the "restored gospel."

You discuss how to win people to Mormonism. Don't tell them what the leaders have said in the past. Don't tell them that god the father had sex with the virgin mary(another unofficial doctrine). If they ask you which god you worship, tell them you pray to the Father in Jesus' name. But before that half-truth, you were told that if you get in a tight spot and don't know the answer, bear your testimony: I know that the LDS church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that Gorden B. Whoever is a prophet of God today. Now the famous LDS cop-out is "That's not official doctrine." LDS doctrine doesn't line up with God's word. Ask too many questions, and the other LDS will eye you supiciously. "If you live it, God will strengthen your testimony," they say. In other words, "Shut up and keep working."

It's a sad state of affairs.

Well my friend the onus is on you to prove what you posted.

Tom

 

[Rescued One]

Well my friend the onus is on you to prove what you posted.

Tom

You never proved that Joseph Smith actually saw two personages in the "Sacred Grove."

 

[twhite982]

You never proved that Joseph Smith actually saw two personages in the "Sacred Grove."

Are you qouting me?

When did I make that statement.

Back to what you've said. Care to stand behind it?

Tom

 

[Rescued One]

Are you qouting me?

When did I make that statement.

Back to what you've said. Care to stand behind it?

Tom

What??? You don't believe Joseph smith saw those personages?

Back to what I've said, I was relaying my experiences. Is this a courtroom? I'm an honest witness who gave an honest testimony of what I saw and experienced. If you don't like my testimony, prove that I'm lying.

 

[twhite982]

What??? You don't believe Joseph smith saw those personages?

Back to what I've said, I was relaying my experiences. Is this a courtroom? I'm an honest witness who gave an honest testimony of what I saw and experienced. If you don't like my testimony, prove that I'm lying.

I would prefer you say this is the world according to GodsWordisTrue, not this is the meat the LDS church teaches.

If its a duck say its a duck.

Tom

 

[Rescued One]

I would prefer you say this is the world according to GodsWordisTrue, not this is the meat the LDS church teaches.

If its a duck say its a duck.

Tom

Sorry. We don't always get what we prefer, do we?

I would prefer to have the LDS temple ceremonies televised on cable.

 

[twhite982]

Sorry. We don't always get what we prefer, do we?

I would prefer to have the LDS temple ceremonies televised on cable.

So it boils down to you can't and / or won't support what you've said. Fair enough.

Then in that case your not a credible witness.

Tom

 

[Rescued One]

So it boils down to you can't and / or won't support what you've said. Fair enough.

Then in that case your not a credible witness.

Tom

Thank you for your warped opinion, Sir.

Joseph Smith wasn't credible. Now you've put me in a class with him.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

An example of the LDS milk before meat theory:

Before becoming a member, you are told that there was a complete apostacy and the true church had to be restored through Joseph Smith. You are told about the wonderful emphasis on family life, that God wants marriage to last throughout eternity. After joining you hear how LDS have ridiculed the Triune God, and how Mormons can become gods themselves. You learn that the LDS gods were mere men at one time; they had to earn their godhood. You learn that the worthy spirits in the pre-existance came to LDS parents. You realize that LDS are no more worthy than any other people on earth; they just think they are. You find out how disgusting the temple ordinances are and have no basis in God's word. You find that the favorite scripture among LDS is the Book of Mormon. You realize the self-righteousness that exists among LDS. A self-righteousness that elevates LDS above anyone who smokes, or has an occasional cup of coffee. It's all about the church, the general authorites, and self. The church this and the church that. "Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah." Please---we go to church to worship and praise God, and you want us to sing praises to Joseph Smith? Invite people to church. Invite your Christian friends to church---because they only have Jesus, not the "restored gospel."

You discuss how to win people to Mormonism. Don't tell them what the leaders have said in the past. Don't tell them that god the father had sex with the virgin mary(another unofficial doctrine). If they ask you which god you worship, tell them you pray to the Father in Jesus' name. But before that half-truth, you were told that if you get in a tight spot and don't know the answer, bear your testimony: I know that the LDS church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet and that Gorden B. Whoever is a prophet of God today. Now the famous LDS cop-out is "That's not official doctrine." LDS doctrine doesn't line up with God's word. Ask too many questions, and the other LDS will eye you supiciously. "If you live it, God will strengthen your testimony," they say. In other words, "Shut up and keep working."

It's a sad state of affairs.

No kidding...if the "missionaries" told the "meat" of the LDS teachings right from the get go, well, they sure wouldn't convert many.

Grace

 

[unbound]

Sorry. We don't always get what we prefer, do we?

I would prefer to have the LDS temple ceremonies televised on cable.

Better yet, have both the new and old, you know so people can know about the slitting of throats and so on. Thats REALLY a Christlike oath, dontch think?

 

[Rescued One]

Times have changed, haven't they? Now even LDS don't want to risk having their throats slit.

 

[ByGrace]

So it boils down to you can't and / or won't support what you've said. Fair enough.

Then in that case your not a credible witness.

Tom

Wow, another mormon cover up in action. Imagine that. This is typical of what happens when mormon problems are shown. Everything that was said is true and you know it. The problem is that if you admit it, you see you will be admitting to the issues you dont want to address.