i am not protastant...i do not divide Christ i believe the Bible i believe Christ and i work to follow Him you wish to show me your correct i need Scripture the Bible never tells you to do somthing WITHOUT telling you to do somthing
okay so question how does one who undertakes a water baptism as infant know thwir old heart from its new heart and is thus the proof of their salvation? the Bible is clear (unless you believe infants without baptism will be cast into abyss) before i was saved i was a national socalist a true agent of satan perverting the Word of God to promote evil ideolagy....CHRIST pulled me out of the darkness....where there was hate now light, anger now love ,unending hopelessness now hopeful.
Hey, God be praised that you are in Christ! Thank you for sharing your background. We rejoice in that Jesus suffered and died for you, was raised for you, and adopted you, and that His love and mercy endure forever!
Now, this question you ask comes out of an Arminian theological framework. I know this is confusing, but if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying you're non-denominational or "just Christian", but it's good to appreciate that these churches that identify as such are loose Baptist-Charismatic in their theology. And in this system, Baptism of children doesn't make sense. But is this system of thought Biblically accurate in all its ways? No. For Baptism is not something we do for ourselves or for God. It's not a work that we do to merit salvation. Rather, it's God's gift to us. And as such, we are not to deny children God's grace, for He says: "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
I answer this a lot more fully in post #9.
john thr baptist LITTERALY SAID Luke 3:16
John answered them all, “I baptize you with WATER. But ONE who is more powerful than I WILL come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He WILL baptize you with the Holy Spirit AND fire
the ONE baptism is the fire baptism the water baptism is public profession of faith...when wad the Holy Spirit given to disciples pre water baptism or much time AFTER....
I think if you read my post (#32) again, you can see how this is incorrect and that I already responded to it. But the short of it is this: Jesus institutes one Baptism, and that is in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This is the Baptism that John the Baptist prepared for. And this Baptism is applied with water and God's Word, worked by the Holy Spirit. And by it we receive the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Or to think of in a different way, if you go through what I wrote in post #32, at what point do you disagree?
Or how about this? Where in the Bible does it say that the so-called water-Baptism is a "public profession of faith"? Although this is commonly preached in our day, it's (1) a new teaching and (2) it's not found in the Bible.
What the Bible does say about Baptism, on the other hand, is regarding faith, salvation, forgiveness of sins, a birth from above, the gift of the Holy Spirit, entering the kingdom of God, being baptised into Jesus’ death, a good conscience, a circumcision of Christ, a washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, a baptism into Christ, putting on Christ. This is powerful language and very far from the expression of a "public profession of faith."
The bottom line is this: Instead of listening to me on one hand or non-denominational/charismatic preachers on the other, simply read everything God's Word has to say about Baptism. And I think the two things we should always bear in mind is that (1) there is one Baptism, and (2) in the great commission, our Lord Jesus Christ say we are to be baptised in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
To make it convenient for you, here I've searched for "Baptism":
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: Baptism
And here's a search for "Baptize":
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: Baptize
The peace of Christ to you!