Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

[Soyeong]

Jesus never sinned when he expanded the law to include a better understanding of it for the people to whom he ministered.
The spirit of the law was what Jesus embodied when he filled full the law of God and the prophets.
Isaiah 42:21
The Lord wanted to exhibit his justice by magnifying his law and displaying it.

Jesus fulfilled that scripture in the sermon on the mount when he magnified the law and understanding of it through the spirit. Murder is committed out of the spirit of hate. Lust is the spirit behind adultery.
Before this people knew the letter of the law. All 613 Mitzvoh. Jesus filled full their understanding of the spirit behind transgression, sin, in violating the moral laws of the Father.
Of course He did the Fathers will. He was here to fulfill the Fathers will by becoming the embodiment of the prophecy and giving a spirit to the law that made it all come together in understanding that sin is transgression of the law. And the spirit of grace redeems the sinner who would not be so if it were not for the parameters within the law that describe sin and transgression of Gods will.

Again, there is a difference between magnifying the law and adding to or subtracting from it. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus was not teaching anything that was brand new, but rather he was correctly teaching how the law was intended to be understood. For example, the command against thinking about a married woman lustfully is just the correct application of the 7th and 10th Commandments. The law is spiritual ( Romans 7:14) so it has always been intended to teach deeper spiritual principles of which the laws are just examples.

 

[pescador]

Romans 10:4 "Christ is the end of the Law, in order to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."
Romans 6:14 "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace."

If someone still needs to be under the law then I question their salvation. Christians are now guided by the Holy Spirit to do the will of God. If an external force such as the law is needed, why was the Holy Spirit given to us?

 

[pescador]

Again, there is a difference between magnifying the law and adding to or subtracting from it. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus was not teaching anything that was brand new, but rather he was correctly teaching how the law was intended to be understood. For example, the command against thinking about a married woman lustfully is just the correct application of the 7th and 10th Commandments. The law is spiritual ( Romans 7:14) so it has always been intended to teach deeper spiritual principles of which the laws are just examples.

And the Sermon on the Mount was not delivered to Christians, as there were none yet. It was dlivered to Palestinian Jews so that they could understand that simply adhering to the law wasn't enough.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If someone still needs to be under the law then I question their salvation. Christians are now guided by the Holy Spirit to do the will of God
. If an external force such as the law is needed, why was the Holy Spirit given to us?

Y'SHUA PERFECTLY KEPT TORAH, and HE IS SALVATION.

Ekklesia in the NT kept TORAH, and taught TORAH, as Y'SHUA said to do.

TORAH is not an external force.

What do those who are children of YHWH do ? as it is written:
Behold what exotic [foreign to the human heart] love
the Father has permanently bestowed upon us, to the end
that we may be named children [born-ones, bairns] of
God. And we are. On this account the world does not
have an experiential knowledge of us, because it has not
come into an experiential knowledge of Him. Divinely
loved ones, now born-ones of God we are. And not yet has
it been made visible what we shall be. We know absolutely
that whenever it is made visible, like ones to Him we shall
be, because we shall see Him just as He is. And every-
one who has this hope continually set on Him is con-
stately purifying himself just as that One is pure.

Everyone who habitually commits sin, also habitually
combusts lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. And you
know absolutely that that One was manifested in order
that He might take away our sins; and sin in Him does
not exist. Everyone who in Him is constantly abiding is
not habitually sinning. Everyone who is constantly sin-
ning has not with discernment sen Him, nor has he
known Him, with the result that that condition is true of
him at present. Little born-ones, stop allowing anyone to
be leading you astray. The one who habitually does
righteousness is righteous, just as that One is righteous.
The one who is habitually committing sin is out of the
devil as a source, because from the beginning the devil
has been sinning. For this purpose there was manifested
the Son of God, in order that He might bring to naught
the worlds of the devil.


Everyone who has been born out of God with the
present result that he is a born-one of God does not
habitually commit sin because His seed remains in him.
And he is not able habitually to sin, because out of God
he has been born with the present result that he is a
born-one of God. In this is apparent who are the born-
ones of God and the born-ones of the devil. Everyone
who is not habitually doing righteousness is not of God,
also the one who is not habitually loving his brother
[Christian] with a divine and self-sacrificial love.

Because this is the message which you heard from the
beginning, namely, We should habitually be loving one
another with a divine and self-sacrificial love; not even
as Cain [who] was out of the Pernicious One, and killed
his brother by severing his jugular vein. And on what
account did he kill him? Because his works were perni-
cious and those of his brother righteous. Stop marveling,
brethren, if, as is the case, the world hates you. As for
us, we know absolutely that we have passed over per-
mannerly out of the death into the life, because we are
habitually loving the brethren with a divine and self-
sacrificial love. The one who is not habitually loving in
this manner is abiding in the sphere of the death. Every-
one who habitually is hating his brother [Christian] is a
manslayer. And you know absolutely that no manslayer
has life eternal abiding in him.

In this we have come to know by experience the afore-
mentioned love, because that One on behalf of us laid
down His soul. And, as for us, we have a moral obliga-
tion on behalf of our brethren to lay down our souls.
But whoever has as a constant possession the necessities
of life, and deliberately keeps on contemplating his brother
constantly having need, and snaps shut his heart from
him, how is it possible that the love of God is abiding
in him? Litlle born-ones, let us not be loving in the sphere
of word, nor even in the sphere of the tongue, but in
the sphere of deed and truth. In this we shall know
experientially that we are out of the truth, and in His
presence shall tranquilize our hearts in whatever our
hearts condemn us, because greater is God than our
hearts and knows all things. Divinely loved ones, if our
hearts are not condemning us, a fearless confidence we
constantly have facing God the Father, and whatever we
are habitually asking we keep on receiving from Him,
because His commandments we are habitually keeping
with solicitous care, and the things which are pleasing in
His penetrating gaze we are habitually doing.

And this is His commandment, namely, We should
believe the Name of His Son Jesus Christ, and be habit-
ually loving one another even as He gave a commandment
to us. And the one who as a habit of life exercises a
solicitous care in keeping His commandments, in Him is
abiding, and He himself is abiding in him. And in this
we know experientially that He is abiding in us, from the
Spirit as a source whom He gave to us.

FIRST JOHN 3:1-24
The New Testament
An Expanded Translation (from Greek) 1961
reprinted 1996
Kenneth S. Wuest

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It was dlivered to Palestinian Jews so that they could understand that simply adhering to the law wasn't enough.

JUST LIKE Y'SHUA told the man who came to HIM - adhering to the TORAH is not enough - go , sell everything and give to the poor, and come, follow ME.

You must be born again.

Just adhering to TORAH is not enough. No one of those sent by YHWH ever said it was enough.

 

[Soyeong]

Romans 10:4 "Christ is the end of the Law, in order to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."
Romans 6:14 "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace."

If someone still needs to be under the law then I question their salvation. Christians are now guided by the Holy Spirit to do the will of God. If an external force such as the law is needed, why was the Holy Spirit given to us?

The first half of Romans 6:14 explains the second half. The law the we are no longer under is the law where sin had dominion over us, which is the law of sin. In Romans 7:12-23, Paul said that God's law is holy, righteous, and good, that it was the good he sought to do and delighted in doing, but contrasted that with a law of sin that stirred up sin and caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do, so the law of sin is the opposite of God's law. Christ is the goal of the law because it is all about him and developing a relationship with him based on faith and love. Christ could not end the law for righteousness because it never had that purpose in the first place. Furthermore, the law is God's instructions for how to do what is holy, righteousness, and good (Romans 7:12) so Christ could not end his law without first ending his holiness, righteousness, and goodness. If gentiles have never been under the law, then they have never needed Christ to give himself to redeem them from all lawlessness (Titus 2:14). It is true that Christians are now guided by the Spirit to do God's will, but the way to do God's will was revealed in His law and the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The law the we are no longer under is the law where sin had dominion over us, which is the law of sin.

?
Sin and the devil still has dominion over most people on earth.
According to Ephesians, Galatians, Revelation, et al.

 

[Soyeong]

And the Sermon on the Mount was not delivered to Christians, as there were none yet. It was dlivered to Palestinian Jews so that they could understand that simply adhering to the law wasn't enough.

You are focusing too much on who the law was given to and not enough on who the law was given by. For example, 1 Peter 1:14-16 does not say that we are to have a holy conduct in order to become like Palestinian Jews, but because God is holy, so following God's instructions that were referenced in Leviticus for how to have a holy conduct is about identifying with God's holiness, and the same goes with respect to God's righteousness and goodness. At no point does the Bible say that the he law was given to show us that our efforts are not good enough and the law has never been about trying to be good enough. If we never knew if what we had done was good enough, then we would find no rest for our souls, but the law was given as the good way where we will find rest for our souls (Jeremiah 6:16-19, Matthew 11:28-30). In Deuteronomy 10:13 God said that what he commanded was for our own good, so obedience to the law has always been about demonstrating our faith in God about how we should live, about demonstrating our love, and about building a relationship with God based on faith and love.

 

[Soyeong]

?
Sin and the devil still has dominion over most people on earth.
According to Ephesians, Galatians, Revelation, et al.

Do you not agree with Romans 6:14 when it says for sin will not have dominion over us?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sin and the devil still has dominion over most people on earth.
According to Ephesians, Galatians, Revelation, et al.

Do you not agree with Romans 6:14 when it says for sin will not have dominion over us?

 

[Received]

No, my question is not if one obtains salvation by following the ten commandments. My question is more like, if are saved is it required that we follow the ten commandments, at least where it applies to loving our neighbors as ourselves.

Some have some interesting theories when it applies to grace and law but the fact remains:

Someone asked Jesus how to get to heaven and Jesus listed some of the commandments. Everyone who says we it is not required to follow the commandments is saying, in effect, Jesus lied, unless they can come up with some theory as to what Jesus meant when he said do not kill, no not steal, do not lie, etc... For those that have no explanation I discount their theories totally.

The correct interpretation seems to be, if we are saved we are required to love our neighbors as ourselves and so following the ten commandments comes naturally as a part of that (my personal belief). Whether following the ten commandments saves us is not the question. The question is, ar
e we required to follow the ten commandments?

After this discussion we can talk about Jesus leaving off keeping the sabbath holy because going to church is works.

Yes, it comes naturally, in the sense that an already present stream of faith can be directed toward following the ten commandments (or going off the rails by sinning). But to claim that you just have to follow the commandments without faith is precisely the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, and is why legalism is always the culmination of such thinking.

 

[Job8]

Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

Short Answer "No". Why? Only Christ could keep the 10 commandments perfectly. So how is a sinner saved? Read, study, and ,meditate on Titus 3:4-8. Good works follow salvation.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

 

[Tree of Life]

Jesus' forgiving us for our sins when we fail is what saves us. No?

That's not the whole story.

We are saved because of Jesus' perfect obedience to God's Law and because of Jesus' death for sin. So is obedience to the 10 commandments - and the rest of the Law - necessary for our salvation? Indeed it is. The question is who has accomplished such an obedience? Jesus Christ. And, by faith, his righteousness is given to us as a gracious gift. In God's eyes I am his perfectly obedient son through Jesus Christ.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Again, there is a difference between magnifying the law and adding to or subtracting from it. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus was not teaching anything that was brand new, but rather he was correctly teaching how the law was intended to be understood. For example, the command against thinking about a married woman lustfully is just the correct application of the 7th and 10th Commandments. The law is spiritual ( Romans 7:14) so it has always been intended to teach deeper spiritual principles of which the laws are just examples.

There's no need to reiterate again. I never said Jesus was teaching anything new, I said he was expanding the law.

 

[Soyeong]

That's not the whole story.

We are saved because of Jesus' perfect obedience to God's Law and because of Jesus' death for sin. So is obedience to the 10 commandments - and the rest of the Law - necessary for our salvation? Indeed it is. The question is who has accomplished such an obedience? Jesus Christ. And, by faith, his righteousness is given to us as a gracious gift. In God's eyes I am his perfectly obedient son through Jesus Christ.

Christ's righteousness is imputed to us so that we will do what is righteous like he did and thereby we might meet the righteous requirement of the law (Romans 8:4), not so that we are counted as being obedient without being obedient. According to Titus 2:11-14, God's grace is what trains us to do what God has revealed to be godly, righteousness, and good, and what trains us to renounce doing what God has revealed to be ungodly, sinful, and lawless, no what exempts us from that training. Our sanctification is about being made to be perfectly obedient like Christ.

 

[davidcrosby]

Multiple times Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, and even threw in a viper or two because they totally missed the reviling essence of His being - as the Scribes and Pharisees (as many still do today) made the Law their god instead of God their law.

 

[Tree of Life]

Christ's righteousness is imputed to us so that we will do what is righteous like he did and thereby we might meet the righteous requirement of the law (Romans 8:4),

Indeed. Our sanctification is part of our salvation. God sanctifies those whom he justifies.

not so that we are counted as being obedient without being obedient.

Here's where the gospel is compromised. According to the gospel I am reckoned as righteous without actually being righteous because I have the righteousness of Christ. I can do nothing to add to his perfect righteousness which is given to me.

According to Titus 2:11-14, God's grace is what trains us to do what God has revealed to be godly, righteousness, and good, and what trains us to renounce doing what God has revealed to be ungodly, sinful, and lawless, no what exempts us from that training. Our sanctification is about being made to be perfectly obedient like Christ.

I agree that God's justifying grace does transform our hearts and makes us want to obey him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Our sanctification is about being made to be perfectly obedient like Christ.

AMEIN. Do you remember where it is written
something like this: After your obedience is perfect, then we will be ready to
< chastise | correct | discipline > any and every dis-obedience
at once as soon as it appears.
(referring to those called and chosen by YHWH, immersed in Y'SHUA'S NAME, set apart by YHWH, born again ones, living and abiding in union NOW TODAY WITH Y'SHUA and YHWH )

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Multiple times Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, and even threw in a viper or two because they totally missed the reviling essence of His being - as the Scribes and Pharisees (as many still do today) made the Law their god instead of God their law.

I think YHWH said more accurately they were selfish, self-serving, practicing (unwittingly or not) idolatry or witchcraft, serving < foreign god(s) | demons | money >
vs making the TORAH their god. Or at least I don't remember anywhere the TORAH being referred to as god or a god.

 

[davidcrosby]

Like I said, their whole life revolved around the law. They made the Law their god instead of God their law.
Gotta get some sleep.
Rest in Him brother.