Is Ellen White the final interpreter of scripture for SDA?

[stinsonmarri]

Ellen White is in line with scripture but she isnt the only way to interpret it. and she passes all the biblical tests of being a prophet

Pray tell what test is that? All the visions she was shone are already found in the Bible if not why need it? She said she was not a prophetess so are we take her word are not? The Bible said YAHWEH reveals HIS secrets to those of HIS chosen. All the prophets which are only in the Bible receive things that were not known before. John saw what Daniel saw but only more and in much more detail. YAHWEH first told that someone else would provide more detail information of Daniel prophecy. The angel told it plain in clear that the prophecy of Revelation would not be sealed. EGW saw those unseal prophecies and she did what Acts 2:16-18 said she would do. She had visions and she prophesied! It is a shame that we try to make EGW equal to the Bible and she is not! She clearly denounce it and said do not call her a prophetess. She said she was a messenger, like Peter, Paul, James and all of the other Apostles except John who was the last prophet on earth!

She never interpreted the Bible because it does not need one. That's problem and the very reason there are some many different denominations. Why? Interpretation that's why. Do you need to interpret a stop sign-no you don't. It says stop in every country of the world. If you can't read you know that red symbolize to stop, yellow caution, green to go! We need to understand what words mean. The Bible can be understood by all but the problem is you do not want to accept what it says.

Here something that has been argue for years. YAHWEH'S Word over what most think Paul said. YAHWEH said that the Holy Appointed Set Times called moed in Hebrew are HIS. These are the days we called in the pagan word feast. Paul said that no one should judge in Holy Days, New Moon and the Seventh Day Sabbath. First should be asked who was Paul referring to and for what reason. Why? Because Paul said if any man or angel take away from the gospel preached by YAHSHUA let him be curse! YAHSHUA clearly said that HE do the will of HIS FATHER and HE keep HIS FATHER'S Commandments. So we are back to square one YAHWEH said that these Holy Assembly Day are HIS! Yet, fights go out with malice and contempt that the Sabbaths are ceremonial. A day is not ceremonial what you do on the day is! Most take what the translators deliberately attempted to do was to not keep the Sabbath and YAHWEH others Holy Days. They made up lies on Paul and cause many to accept a false delusion. Dan 7:25 I have asked people to show anywhere in the Bible that a day is call a ceremony and no one yet has responded. The Hebrew word shabbathon means a special solemn occasion. Your sabbath is in the Bible and that is one day out of the year the Day of Atonement. But translators put the Sabbath for shabbathon and a mess has started. The reason so many will be lost because we will not check out the source and go on what those who are our leaders says and that's it. Most do not have a mind for themselves with all of this technology of knowledge is online. I leave you one Text:

MY people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to ME: seeing thou hast forgotten the Law of thy ELOHIM, I will also forget thy children. Hos 4:6

Blessings and continual prayer for the families in Boston
stinsonmarri

 

[JDMiowa]

Pray tell what test is that? All the visions she was shone are already found in the Bible if not why need it? She said she was not a prophetess so are we take her word are not? The Bible said YAHWEH reveals HIS secrets to those of HIS chosen. All the prophets which are only in the Bible receive things that were not known before. John saw what Daniel saw but only more and in much more detail. YAHWEH first told that someone else would provide more detail information of Daniel prophecy. The angel told it plain in clear that the prophecy of Revelation would not be sealed. EGW saw those unseal prophecies and she did what Acts 2:16-18 said she would do. She had visions and she prophesied! It is a shame that we try to make EGW equal to the Bible and she is not! She clearly denounce it and said do not call her a prophetess. She said she was a messenger, like Peter, Paul, James and all of the other Apostles except John who was the last prophet on earth!

She never interpreted the Bible because it does not need one. That's problem and the very reason there are some many different denominations. Why? Interpretation that's why. Do you need to interpret a stop sign-no you don't. It says stop in every country of the world. If you can't read you know that red symbolize to stop, yellow caution, green to go! We need to understand what words mean. The Bible can be understood by all but the problem is you do not want to accept what it says.

Here something that has been argue for years. YAHWEH'S Word over what most think Paul said. YAHWEH said that the Holy Appointed Set Times called moed in Hebrew are HIS. These are the days we called in the pagan word feast. Paul said that no one should judge in Holy Days, New Moon and the Seventh Day Sabbath. First should be asked who was Paul referring to and for what reason. Why? Because Paul said if any man or angel take away from the gospel preached by YAHSHUA let him be curse! YAHSHUA clearly said that HE do the will of HIS FATHER and HE keep HIS FATHER'S Commandments. So we are back to square one YAHWEH said that these Holy Assembly Day are HIS! Yet, fights go out with malice and contempt that the Sabbaths are ceremonial. A day is not ceremonial what you do on the day is! Most take what the translators deliberately attempted to do was to not keep the Sabbath and YAHWEH others Holy Days. They made up lies on Paul and cause many to accept a false delusion. Dan 7:25 I have asked people to show anywhere in the Bible that a day is call a ceremony and no one yet has responded. The Hebrew word shabbathon means a special solemn occasion. Your sabbath is in the Bible and that is one day out of the year the Day of Atonement. But translators put the Sabbath for shabbathon and a mess has started. The reason so many will be lost because we will not check out the source and go on what those who are our leaders says and that's it. Most do not have a mind for themselves with all of this technology of knowledge is online. I leave you one Text:

MY people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to ME: seeing thou hast forgotten the Law of thy ELOHIM, I will also forget thy children. Hos 4:6

Blessings and continual prayer for the families in Boston
stinsonmarri

Well said!

 

[Guitaroman]

An,"Example" is the total rejection of a Wednesday crucafiction without a fair examination of the facts. Also refusing to debate the abortion issue and performing elective abortions in SDA hospital's.

Thanks, never heard of the abortion issue being a thing.

 

[David Conklin]

Ellen White is in line with scripture but she isnt the only way to interpret it. and she passes all the biblical tests of being a prophet

On another forum a user posted the following:

These are the physical evidences of a person while in vision.

Carefully read Dan. 10:8--19. Here you will find six physical signs:

(1) The prophet loses his strength and falls to the ground in a deep sleep.
(2) Despite the sleep, he hears a voice speaking to him.
(3) In the vision, and at times in physical action, the prophet arises to his hands and knees and then to his feet when the being touches him.(4) At first he is dumb; but, when his lips are touched, he is enabled to speak.
(5) Throughout the vision he is without breath of any kind. His breathing totally ceases.
(6) Strength is given him during the vision. Add to this the sign given in Num. 24:4.
(7) During the vision his eyes are open. It is of interest that a consistent number of Ellen’s visions took place in public. In this way the Biblical tests could easily be applied. And they were. When God calls a prophet, He sees to it that opportunity is afforded for people to test that prophet and know whether he is of God. One who claims to receive visions of God and to be a true prophet will, for example, have visions from time to time in public; so that others can see that for ten minutes to three hours or more he is without any breath and gives no sign of breathing.

And yet, although unconscious to all around him, the one receiving the vision can move easily about the room (if he stands up and walks); and he has a superhuman strength far beyond the capacity of anyone else, to overpower.

So it was in the case of Ellen. Tests performed upon her at the time included closing her mouth and nostrils while she was in vision (which could last for several hours).

Her movements while in vision were free and graceful as she would speak and describe some of what she saw. And yet her gestures could not be controlled or stopped. It is of interest that, although normally but a frail individual, the visions never sapped her strength or made her ill.

(At times, she was healed of sickness while in vision.) In later years, after confidence had been developed in the genuineness of her call, the visions came more frequently at night.

Here are several other Bible verses which provide tests of a true prophet. They make interesting reading: Matt. 7:20; Isa. 8:20; 1 John 4:1-3; 1 Thess. 5:20-21; Deut. 13:1-4; Hosea 12:10, 13; Heb. 1:1-2; 2 Kings 22:14-20; Dan. 2:27-28; Deut. 29:29; Amos 3:7; Num. 12:6; 2 Pet. 1:21; 1 Pet. 1:10-11; Dan. 7:1; Rev. 1:1, 11; 12:17; 19:10; 1 Cor. 14:4; Joel 2:28-30; 2 Chron. 20:20.

Here is a more extensive Bible study on the gift of prophecy:

The gift of prophecy will remain in the church till the end of time--Eph. 4:7-16. Paul compares the church to the body, the various parts being parts of the body--1 Cor. 12:1-17, 28.
Prophets are the eyes of the church--1 Sam. 9:9 (compare Luke 11:34 and Prov. 29:18).

Peter promised prophets in the last days--Acts 2:17-18. The warning Christ gave against false prophets proves there are true ones. There is no counterfeit without a genuine--Matt. 7:15.

The following Scriptures indicate that God’s law and God’s prophets are always found together. If His people do not obey His law, then they will not have the guidance of His prophet--Lam. 2:9; Eze. 7:26; 20:3, 12-16; Jer. 26:4-6; Prov. 29:18; Rev. 12:17.

The true church, just before Jesus returns, will have the gift of prophecy, because it keeps the commandments of God--Rev. 12:17; 19:10. We are commanded not to despise prophets

1 Thess. 5:20--21. We must test them by the Word of God--Isa. 8:20.

In vision, a prophet has no breath (Dan. 10:17), can speak (Dan. 10:16), keeps his eyes open (Num. 24:16), and is unconscious of his surroundings (2 Cor. 12:2, 4).

Both men and women have received this gift the gift of prophecy. Here are some of the women prophets that are mentioned in the Bible: Miriam-- Exodus 15:20, Deborah--Judges 4:4, Huldah--2 Kings 22:14, Anna--Luke 2:36, the daughters of Philip--Acts 21:9. The abiding gift of prophecy provides needed counsel and guidance before a crisis:

Noah--Genesis 6:9--17; Moses--Exodus 34:12, 4:10-16, Deut. 34:10-12; Elijah--1 Kings 17:1, 18:20-41, 2 Kings 2:11-13; John the Baptist--Mark 1:2-5, Luke 7:28.

Look for it among the remnant--Rev. 12:17, 19:10, Prov. 29:18. It may be given to the weakest of the weak--1 Cor. 1:27--29. This gift helps us in several ways--2 Pet. 1:19; 2 Chron. 20:20; Eph. 4:12-16; 1 Cor. 14:3-4.

To refuse a true prophet is to fail to prosper--2 Chron. 20:20.

A true prophet will always speak in harmony with the Bible--Isa. 8:20, Deut. 13:1-3;
Exalt Christ and not self--2 Corinthians 10:5, Jer. 1:4-9;
Reprove men of sin--Eze. 3:17-19;
Emphasize the necessity of having Jesus in the heart--1 John 4:1-3.
Their lives will be above reproach--Matt. 7:15-20.

Their predictions will come to pass--Deut. 18:21-22, Jer. 28:9. They will confess that Jesus is come in the flesh--1 John 4:2-8.

They will have visions and dreams--Num. 12:6. They will be known by their fruits--Matt. 7:15-20.

{"Martha Amadon, Notebook Leaflets"}

“As one who has frequently observed her in vision, knowing the company of people usually present, all deeply observant and believers in her exercises, I have often wondered why a more vivid description of the scenes which have transpired has not been given.

“In vision her eyes were open. There was no breath, but there were graceful movements of the shoulders, arms, and hands expressive of what she saw.

It was impossible for anyone else to move her hands or arms. She often uttered words singly, and sometimes sentences which expressed to those about her the nature of the view she was having, either of heaven or of earth.

“Her first word in vision was ‘Glory,’ sounding at first close by and then dying away in the distance, seemingly far away. This was sometimes repeated .. There was never an excitement among those present during a vision; nothing caused fear.

It was a solemn, quiet scene, sometimes lasting an hour .“When the vision was ended, and she lost sight of the heavenly light, as it were, coming back to the earth once more, she would exclaim with a longdrawn sigh, as she took her first natural breath,‘Da--r--k.’ She was then limp and strengthless.”

 

[stinsonmarri]

It was stated:

An, "Example" is the total rejection of a Wednesday crucafiction without a fair examination of the facts.

I do not know where these facts comes from but it not Biblical nor historical base on the ancient calendars. YAHSHUA did die on Friday but it was not the 14th of Nisan or Biblical the month YAHWEH name Aviv/Abib. So even SDA's are trying to move the time up to Nisan 34 which throws out the accurate date of 1844. Well the Bible can speak for itself. The problem is that it was on a Thursday night (according to the Bible but Wednesday night according to pagan Rome and modern time) that last passover supper was held and the introduction the new supper of YAHSHUA! YAHSHUA constantly stated that HE would be betrayed, beaten scourged, place on trial, mocked, beaten and spat on, killed by the Gentiles (actual the white folks descendants of Japheth), resurrected all within three days and three night. This is 72 hours and this exactly what happen.

After eaten and introducing the New Supper, Judas leaves before it is over. They all leave and go to the Garden to pray. YAHSHUA is weary almost to death prays for aid and consideration from HIS FATHER. Judas returns right after angels are sent to revive HIM. Judas betrayed HIM, then, HE is taken to trial. This happen night part of Thursday Nisan 14th. Thursday morning HE was taken bound before the Sanhedrin Council, then to Pilate, then to King Herod. HE was scourge a thorn crown place on his beaten head, mocked with a purple robe, spat on and HIS beard was snatch off then sent back to Pilate. It late after midnight Pilate was a sleep. It was now Friday night, Herod a received HIM just before sunset which had been still Thursday. Pilate goes into the judgment hall angry being woken for his sleep. The Jewish mobs of priest and rabbis do enter based on their false custom of the passover supper. This was call Seder two where the false passover supper was to be taken again. They haven't taken it so they felt it was unclean to go in the Gentiles (actually means white folks). It is day break wife wakes up sent husband a message not to kill YAHSHUA because of her dream. He things thing would settle if he release Barabbas, he was wrong! They wanted YAHSHUA dead and HE did that Friday and before sunset buried. Even in this event HE obeyed the Sabbath. Just before daybreak while still dark YAHSHUA rose. All of this is according to the Bible. If check your professional Navy observatory this the correct date for Nisan AD 32 and this date show that Oct 22, 1844 is the correct prophetic prophecy!

Happy Sabbath
stinsonmarri

 

[David Conklin]

>So even SDA's are trying to move the time up to Nisan 34

Name them.

 

[stinsonmarri]

>So even SDA's are trying to move the time up to Nisan 34

Name them.

David:

Before I "name them" let me say I made some errors that needed correction. I believe that when one makes a mistake they must confess, apologize and correct it. I made mistakes in the dates! Here is the correction that needs to be understood

Here is the problem which is trying to put the passover supper on a Friday which is was not. It was taken Thursday evening but Adventist trying at first in keeping with the format date of YAHSHUA'S Ministry starting AD 27 and the stoning of Stephen in AD 34. The 3 1/2 years would be AD 30 when HE died. However they could not come up with a Friday fallen on the 14th of Nisan. The Babylonian cycle followed a 19 lunar/solar cycle like the Hebrews. Which proves that all original followed what was given in Genesis 1:14. Because SDA could not find a Friday celebration of the passover supper they provided this statement:

The fact remains that at the present time we cannot be sure of the lunar-calendar system of the Jews in the 1st century. Therefore we cannot say with certainty, “This, according to lunar astronomy, was the year of the crucifixion.”

The whole question of the Passover date in connection with the death of Christ is so complex that, as has been stated, no one view has ever been set forth with complete proof from unequivocal astronomical or calendrical data. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5 p. 254

The Last Supper took place the night preceding the, that is, during the early hours of Nisan 14 and thus on a Thursday night. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5 p. 534

Nisan 14th according to Naval Observatory and accurate calculation fell on a Wed. and the supper was always taken on the evening of the 15th not the 14th according to Scriptures:

And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service? Ex 12:6, 8, 26

Now the first day of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? Now when the even was come, HE sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat, HE said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray ME. Mat 26:17, 20, 21

And when the hour was come, HE sat down, and the twelve apostles with HIM. Luke 22:14

HE then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. John 13:30

The point shown is that on the 14th day at evening of that day would start the 15th. Then it states after the lamb is roasted at the night time, not the evening but night they ate the passover supper. It is important to know that this service or ceremony or ritual was done before midnight. The reason is the death angel came at midnight passover those with the blood on the post slaying those who did not! The SAVIOR was not on the tree that night which was still Thursday the 15th! HE died first a spiritual death as the PASSOVER LAMB at midnight in the Garden! HIS death came on the 16th which was a Friday and HE rose on the 18th a Sunday the day of that weave sheaf was to be weaved. HE told Mary not to touch HIM before HE be accepted as the true WEAF SHEAF be HIS FATHER!


Now to "name them" started with Raymond Cottrell, Desmond Ford, Dr. Fritz Guy. This has led to the progressive movement and the unbelief by many in the Investigated Judgment. Because this has happen every creeping thing has enter the church. Plus the paper Joe Cruz wrote proving that Christmas was pagan but alright to accept as the birth of your Christ but not the true LAMB of ELOHIM-YAHSHUA!

Oh, I am waiting for you to answer my question about where does the Bible mention ceremonial sabbaths!


Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[JDMiowa]

David:

Before I "name them" let me say I made some errors that needed correction. I believe that when one makes a mistake they must confess, apologize and correct it. I made mistakes in the dates! Here is the correction that needs to be understood

Here is the problem which is trying to put the passover supper on a Friday which is was not. It was taken Thursday evening but Adventist trying at first in keeping with the format date of YAHSHUA'S Ministry starting AD 27 and the stoning of Stephen in AD 34. The 3 1/2 years would be AD 30 when HE died. However they could not come up with a Friday fallen on the 14th of Nisan. The Babylonian cycle followed a 19 lunar/solar cycle like the Hebrews. Which proves that all original followed what was given in Genesis 1:14. Because SDA could not find a Friday celebration of the passover supper they provided this statement:

The fact remains that at the present time we cannot be sure of the lunar-calendar system of the Jews in the 1st century. Therefore we cannot say with certainty, “This, according to lunar astronomy, was the year of the crucifixion.”

The whole question of the Passover date in connection with the death of Christ is so complex that, as has been stated, no one view has ever been set forth with complete proof from unequivocal astronomical or calendrical data. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5 p. 254

The Last Supper took place the night preceding the, that is, during the early hours of Nisan 14 and thus on a Thursday night. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5 p. 534

Nisan 14th according to Naval Observatory and accurate calculation fell on a Wed. and the supper was always taken on the evening of the 15th not the 14th according to Scriptures:

And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service? Ex 12:6, 8, 26

Now the first day of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? Now when the even was come, HE sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat, HE said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray ME. Mat 26:17, 20, 21

And when the hour was come, HE sat down, and the twelve apostles with HIM. Luke 22:14

HE then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. John 13:30

The point shown is that on the 14th day at evening of that day would start the 15th. Then it states after the lamb is roasted at the night time, not the evening but night they ate the passover supper. It is important to know that this service or ceremony or ritual was done before midnight. The reason is the death angel came at midnight passover those with the blood on the post slaying those who did not! The SAVIOR was not on the tree that night which was still Thursday the 15th! HE died first a spiritual death as the PASSOVER LAMB at midnight in the Garden! HIS death came on the 16th which was a Friday and HE rose on the 18th a Sunday the day of that weave sheaf was to be weaved. HE told Mary not to touch HIM before HE be accepted as the true WEAF SHEAF be HIS FATHER!


Now to "name them" started with Raymond Cottrell, Desmond Ford, Dr. Fritz Guy. This has led to the progressive movement and the unbelief by many in the Investigated Judgment. Because this has happen every creeping thing has enter the church. Plus the paper Joe Cruz wrote proving that Christmas was pagan but alright to accept as the birth of your Christ but not the true LAMB of ELOHIM-YAHSHUA!

Oh, I am waiting for you to answer my question about where does the Bible mention ceremonial sabbaths!


Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Question, What day did the women buy and prepare the spices?

 

[stinsonmarri]

Question, What day did the women buy and prepare the spices?

Thursday evening comes before Thursday morning. Thursday night they ate the supper before midnight. YAHSHUA became the PASSOVER LAMB at midnight exactly according to Scriptures. Friday evening YAHSHUA was with Herod and around midnight HE was return to Pilate who was awaken from sleep. The priest and scribes had two passover suppers call today Seder. The did not eat the false one because they were with YAHSHUA at Herod palace and then they return to Pilate. They refuse to enter the judgment hall this time. So Pilate had to go back and foreword, talking to them returning to YAHSHUA! Friday morning his wife awakes sends Pilate a message about her dream. Friday close to noon Pilate makes the people chose to kill YAHSHUA because he was afraid from the message his wife sent him. YAHSHUA was killed and died on the tree and then taken down around 3'clock. HE was buried in a tomb already built but the women needed to embalm HIM they thought. HE was already embalm the right way before HE died not the pagan way after death. The women hurried trying to prepare the spices before sunset Friday but it was to late so they waited planning to get up early before dark Sunday to do the job! I want to make it clear all of this is in the Bible as I said it.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[JDMiowa]

Thursday evening comes before Thursday morning. Thursday night they ate the supper before midnight. YAHSHUA became the PASSOVER LAMB at midnight exactly according to Scriptures. Friday evening YAHSHUA was with Herod and around midnight HE was return to Pilate who was awaken from sleep. The priest and scribes had two passover suppers call today Seder. The did not eat the false one because they were with YAHSHUA at Herod palace and then they return to Pilate. They refuse to enter the judgment hall this time. So Pilate had to go back and foreword, talking to them returning to YAHSHUA! Friday morning his wife awakes sends Pilate a message about her dream. Friday close to noon Pilate makes the people chose to kill YAHSHUA because he was afraid from the message his wife sent him. YAHSHUA was killed and died on the tree and then taken down around 3'clock. HE was buried in a tomb already built but the women needed to embalm HIM they thought. HE was already embalm the right way before HE died not the pagan way after death. The women hurried trying to prepare the spices before sunset Friday but it was to late so they waited planning to get up early before dark Sunday to do the job! I want to make it clear all of this is in the Bible as I said it.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Let's consider Mark 16:1, the women BOUGHT spices AFTER the Sabbath, the Gospel of Luke Ch.23:55-56 says that the women PREPARED spices at home BEFORE the Sabbath! Can both be true?

 

[AndrewK788]

Let's consider Mark 16:1, the women BOUGHT spices AFTER the Sabbath, the Gospel of Luke Ch.23:55-56 says that the women PREPARED spices at home BEFORE the Sabbath! Can both be true?

They could have done both, yes. But since I'm not sure what the ongoing debate is about, I'll leave it at that.

 

[JDMiowa]

They could have done both, yes. But since I'm not sure what the ongoing debate is about, I'll leave it at that.

I agree, because those two sabbaths fell on two different days, two days apart. The women prepared and bought the spices on the preparation day that fell after a sabbath and before a sabbath.

 

[AndrewK788]

I agree, because those two sabbaths fell on two different days, two days apart. The women prepared and bought the spices on the preparation day that fell after a sabbath and before a sabbath.

Oh, I see what you're saying. I was saying they could have bought spices both before and after the same Sabbath. But as I said before, I'll leave it at that.

 

[JDMiowa]

Oh, I see what you're saying. I was saying they could have bought spices both before and after the same Sabbath. But as I said before, I'll leave it at that.

If both Sabbaths are the same day, how do one buy the spices two days after they prepared them?

 

[JDMiowa]

for now I will just put the topic. It is self explanatory.

Let Ellen White answer this question!!! Quotes from Ellen G. White

Is Ellen White the final interpreter of scripture for SDA?

(1) "In regard to infallibility, I NEVER claimed it; God ALONE is Infallible." Selected Messages, Book One, pp 415 and 37

(2) "Let no one come to the conclusion that there is no more truth to be revealed. The diligent, prayerful seeker for truth will find precious rays of light yet to shine forth from the word of God." Counsels on Sabbath School Work, p. 34

(3) "There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make an error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. Review and Herald, December 20,1892

(4) "We cannot hold that a position once taken, an idea once advocated, is not, under any circumstances, to be relinquished. There is but One who is infallible --- He is the way, the truth, and the life.

(5) "If the pillars of our faith will not stand the test of investigation, it is time we knew it." Testimonies to Ministers, pp 105 and 107

(6) "The Bible and the Bible alone, is our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this holy Word will be in harmony . . . Man is fallible, but God's Word is infallible.

(7) "We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn. God and heaven alone are infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed.

(8) "In regard to infallibility, I never claimed it; God alone is infallible. His word is true, and in Him is no variableness, or shadow of turning." Selected Messages, Book One, pp. 416 and 37.

(9) "Our position and faith is in the Bible. . . . And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible." Evangelism, p. 256

(10) “We are not to accept the opinion of commentators as the voice of God; they are erring mortals like ourselves. God has given reasoning powers to us as well as to them. We should make the Bible its own expositor.

(11) “We must study the truth for ourselves. No man should be relied upon to think for us. No matter who he is, or in what position he may be placed, we are not to look upon any man as a criterion for us. Testimonies to Ministers, pp. 106 and 110

(12) “Whatever may be man’s intellectual advancement, let him not for a moment think that there is no need of thorough and continuous searching of Scripture for greater light. As a people we are called individually to be students of prophecy. We must watch with earnestness that we may discern any ray of light which God shall present to us. We are to catch the first gleamings of truth; and through prayerful study, clearer light may be obtained, which can be brought to others.

(13) “Some of our leading brethren have frequently taken their position on the wrong side: and if God would send a message and wait for these older brethren to open the way for its advancement, it would never reach the people.

(14) “The rebuke of the Lord will rest upon those who would bar the way, that clearer light shall not come to the people. . . . Let no one run the risk of interposing between the people and the message of heaven.” Gospel Workers, pp 300, 303, and 304.

(15) A spirit of pharisaism has been coming in upon the people who claim to believe the truth for these last days. They are self-satisfied. They have said, “We have the truth. There is no more light for the people of God. But we are not safe when we take the position that we will not accept anything else than that upon which we have settled as truth. We should take the Bible, and investigate it closely for ourselves. We should dig in the mine of God’s word for truth.” Review and Herald, June 18, 1888.

(16) We need to begin all over again. . . . Errors may be hoary with age; but age dos not make error truth, nor truth error. Altogether too long have the old customs and habits been followed. The Lord would now have every idea that is false put away from teachers and students. We are not at liberty to teach that which shall meet the world’s standard or the standard of the church, simply because it is the custom to do so.” Testimonies for the Church, vol 6, p. 142.

 

[stinsonmarri]

One question did the Bible call the preparation day a sabbath? Because I never read this anywhere in the Bible. People please stop putting things in the Bible that is not there. You will never read that ELOHIM ever called any Holy Appointed Set Time a Sabbath but two. The Seventh Day Sabbath and your or man's sabbath known as the Day of Atonement. That is all now show me sabbath for the rest and it is a lie. Man put the word there but the word is special occasion and that is the Blowing of Trumpet.

Friday is always the preparation day to prepare for the Holy Sabbath!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[JDMiowa]

One question did the Bible call the preparation day a sabbath? Because I never read this anywhere in the Bible. People please stop putting things in the Bible that is not there. You will never read that ELOHIM ever called any Holy Appointed Set Time a Sabbath but two. The Seventh Day Sabbath and your or man's sabbath known as the Day of Atonement. That is all now show me sabbath for the rest and it is a lie. Man put the word there but the word is special occasion and that is the Blowing of Trumpet.

Friday is always the preparation day to prepare for the Holy Sabbath!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

The Passover Sabbath is a true Sabbath. I never said it was a preparation day. You misread the post.

 

[Castaway57]

The Passover Sabbath is a true Sabbath. I never said it was a preparation day. You misread the post.

You made a great post above.

 

[stinsonmarri]

No ones can interpret Scripture. The Bible says that there is no private interpretation. Oh many attempt to but actually cannot read or refuse to read what it actually says. A stop sign is read all over the world which means to stop!!! The Bible says what it says but most want to read their way instead of ELOHIM'S way. Big, Big, Big mistake and they will find out very soon!

Blessing,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

No ones can interpret Scripture. The Bible says that there is no private interpretation. Oh many attempt to but actually cannot read or refuse to read what it actually says. A stop sign is read all over the world which means to stop!!! The Bible says what it says but most want to read their way instead of ELOHIM'S way. Big, Big, Big mistake and they will find out very soon!

Blessing,
stinsonmarri

Correction, scripture is to be "interpreted;" but not "privately," so your assertion here is a private interpretation which is forbidden by scripture. If you read the text; it does not say "don't interpret scripture;" it just says not to do it "privately."