Problem there is you gave me nothing to "think on". Give me something to reply to, some proof of the claim, and lets see if it's viable.
I didn't mentioned Arminianism anywhere on this thread, so I agree
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Calvinism is 100% Biblical. It is Biblical doctrine taught by Christ and His Apostles. Now think on that. More correctly, Calvinism draws the truth out of the Scriptures (exegesis) and presents a Biblically sound systematic theology.
Arminianism? That is the doctrine that puts man as choosing God. Makes God a beggar to human whim.
Read the first two chapters of Romans. Teaching there speaks against calvinism.Calvinism is 100% Biblical. It is Biblical doctrine taught by Christ and His Apostles. Now think on that. More correctly, Calvinism draws the truth out of the Scriptures (exegesis) and presents a Biblically sound systematic theology.
Actually the first three chapters speak of the depravity of mankind.Read the first two chapters of Romans. Teaching there speaks against calvinism.
Quite obviously, not everyone thinks that God is unjust to choose his Elect as indicated in Scripture..You misunderstood me. Calvinists don’t use the words “God is unjust” but say something nebulous to the charge all the while accepting a description of God that everyone else knows is unjust and therefore untrue.
You said God chose Abraham in response to his obedience. That is false. Rather, God chooses us in spite of our disobedience.And? What difference does that make?
Well let’s look at the Bible if we want to learn his just ways. He looks into the books of the deeds of a life including the Lambs book of life. That’s the criteria he says he uses.
Calvinism admits the reality that God has supreme control over every atom He has created. And that man can do absolutely nothing apart from God. We do as God has determined us to do. The only argument which the Bible makes against this idea is the hypothetical one which Paul presents in Romans 9, "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"Calvinism presents a theology of God where He has to be unjust. What they teach God does shows God to be unjust.
Calvinism admits the reality that God has supreme control over every atom He has created. And that man can do absolutely nothing apart from God. We do as God has determined us to do. The only argument which the Bible makes against this idea is the hypothetical one which Paul presents in Romans 9, "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"
YesFrom the beginning man has wanted to be his own god.. thus the fall
So that would mean those who are saved are saved entirely on account of their good deeds. (!)Well let’s look at the Bible if we want to learn his just ways. He looks into the books of the deeds of a life including the Lambs book of life. That’s the criteria he says he uses.
Actually the first three chapters speak of the depravity of mankind.
Then there are some walk with God churches that require faith and obedience.So that would mean those who are saved are saved entirely on account of their good deeds. (!)
Generally speaking, the division between Christians is between the Faith Alone churches and the Faith plus Deeds churches.
And then there are Unitarians.
You know, you might not like there verse in Romans but Paul wrote it. He wrote it more than once. We will stand before the Judgement seat of Christ to give an account for the deeds done in the body. The tricky part is God is looking for obedience to his commands to us. He is not looking to be impressed by us. If we work to gain his love, we have failed. That comes with no works. IF we work to gain something in the sweet by and by, that is done without love but self interest and fails. There are many ways to do works that fail to please him and in fact, disgust him.So that would mean those who are saved are saved entirely on account of their good deeds. (!)
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It’s faith, love and obedience. 1 John 5 makes it clear that all three are what a Christian exhibits.Then there are some walk with God churches that require faith and obedience.
Ah a Calvinist into the frey. (I knew that at the second word you wrote. For Calvinists, their doctrine is it and they merely "admit" it to be so without examining or letting it be examined.)Calvinism admits the reality that God has supreme control over every atom He has created. And that man can do absolutely nothing apart from God. We do as God has determined us to do. The only argument which the Bible makes against this idea is the hypothetical one which Paul presents in Romans 9, "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"
That is true but Calvinism makes it an optional extra. YOu can preach we ought to tell your blue in the fact but a Calvinist audience believers they are going to Heaven no matter what so it is only an extra if they want. ANd because it is sometimes very uncomfortable, they won't want, believe me. Obeying God is expensive in this life. It will cost a man sometimes everything he values.It’s faith, love and obedience. 1 John 5 makes it clear that all three are what a Christian exhibits.
Can you please provide the scripture where the standard of sinlessness is required. It isn't that I doubt your answer but I would like to know what the basis for this is. If you were the poster "red" I would ask for data but you are not. He required data from others.What is that criteria ? Sinlessness is the criteria for Christ.. Can anything unclean enter heaven?
Can you please give us the particular passages. The verses I read say that they actually KNEW God but did not acknowledge him as such. SO that blows total depravity out of the water. They knew God and GOd did not have to change their hearts for them to know this. But they themselves decided, apparently on their own, to reject him. Paul does not say that God neglected to work on their hearts. What he does say is God actually gave them over to their own passions. That GOd did do.Actually the first three chapters speak of the depravity of mankind.
Of course not. Even the apostles had to fight with wrong theology.Quite obviously, not everyone thinks that God is unjust to choose his Elect as indicated in Scripture..
Of course I am posting here to tell you that and why. That is the OP. But I have a question. IF you did not accept that I think something is unjust, like the god of Calvin, what would that look like? I mean people think they graciously write that they accept what someone else believes but really, what other choice is there?I accept that you think something about it is unjust, but you are not posting here just to tell us that.
No, God called Abraham and he obeyed. If he hadn't obeyed he still would have been called to be chosen. Many are called and some refuse. To receive the promise he had to obey. Being called is not the end of the story.You said God chose Abraham in response to his obedience. That is false. Rather, God chooses us in spite of our disobedience.
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