How is the above just? We’ve been requested by a mod not to lay out scripture. We know why calvinists believe this. Some of us understand it perfectly and believe none of it. Please discuss how it is just cause it is pretty seriously unjust.
If you had taken the time to read the post, you would have realized pretty quickly that it is an argument against the Calvinistic doctrine of Unconditional Election, not a description of Calvinism. It shows who the "chosen people" or "elect" really are (according to scripture, not according to Calvin), and how they are selected.
Unlike Calvinism, the Bible indicates that Abraham was chosen for his faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and that he and his descendants are a chosen or elect people. The scriptures go on to say that God did not choose them because they were better than anyone else, but rather the descendants of Abraham were chosen because God made an oath, promise, or covenant with Abraham, and God is not a liar... God honors His word.
The "elect" or "chosen" people is the group known as "the descendants of Abraham." This group has open enrollment. You can become adopted into this group by choosing to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ just like Abraham did. Once you are a member of that group, you INHERIT the righteousness given to Abraham which God promised would be inherited by all of Abraham's descendants.
I recommend reading the scriptures I posted with a mind to try to understand them and do not just gloss over scripture.
[Gal 3:6-9 NASB] 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
Abraham was chosen BECAUSE of his faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ. We become adopted as his descendants if we have the same faith in the gospel that Abraham had.
[Gen 17:5-7 NASB] 5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.
Therefore, the "elect" group is not some group of randomly chosen lucky lottery winners... but a specific group chosen for a specific reason. That group has open enrollment... all you have to do is have the same faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ that Abraham had, an viola! You are are a descendant of Abraham.
[Rom 4:9-17 NASB] 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. 16 For this reason [it is] by faith, in order that [it may be] in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, [even] God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.
Therefore, in reality the choosing of the elect is not random, but for a specific purpose and it is just. This is anti-Calvinistic... but it's also anti-Armenianistic. Neither John Calvin not Jacobus Armenius believed that faith qualified a person to become part of Abraham's descendants as scripture so plainly states. Both believe (incorrectly) that faith directly qualified a person for righteousness before God. Had Calvin understood this, he would not have needed to invent a false way of people being chosen and forced into faith against their will because faith doesn't move or motivate God as both Calvin and Armenius believed... God's promise to Abraham to make all his descendants inherit the righteousness He gave him is what motivates God. Calvin had to invent this false narrative about God forcing people to believe because he couldn't understand how a fallen, sinful man could bend God's sovereign will to his own. But that is simply a lack of understanding how salvation works. God isn't bending to man's will... He is keeping His word... He is motivated by His own promise, oath, or covenant to Abraham and to Abraham's descendants.
The "adopted" descendants of Abraham -- those with the same faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ that Abraham had -- will far outnumber the physical descendants.
[Isa 54:1 NASB] 1 "Shout for joy, O barren one, you who have borne no [child;] Break forth into joyful shouting and cry aloud, you who have not travailed; For the sons of the desolate one [will be] more numerous Than the sons of the married woman," says the LORD.
[Gal 4:22-28 NASB] 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these [women] are two covenants: one [proceeding] from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written, "REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND." 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
