Is Calvinism a false denomination?

[Hammster]

You want "context" to negate what they say because these passages and many others expose your dogma as mistaken.

That’s not what context does. Context actually explains what they say. I’m not sure why you are so opposed to that.

 

[K Watt]

If I say I’m talking to only folks wearing a red shirt, and then say any of them can get a free burger, then it’s only for those wearing a red shirt.

He didn't say that. He was teaching them about Christianity.

 

[Hammster]

He didn't say that. He was teaching them about Christianity.

I know. He said they were lukewarm. And then said if anyone knocks. Same group.

 

[K Watt]

That’s not what context does. Context actually explains what they say. I’m not sure why you are so opposed to that.

Context is important. However, it can be subjective.

These passage are explicit. It is only by twisting the words that you can change the meaning. For example, claiming ALL MEN means SOME MEN FROM EACH GROUP. Why don't you just accept what the bible teaches?

 

[K Watt]

Double post

 

[K Watt]

That’s not what context does. Context actually explains what they say. I’m not sure why you are so opposed to that.

Context is important. However, it can be subjective.

These passages are explicit. It is only by twisting the words that you can change the meaning. For example, claiming ALL MEN means SOME MEN FROM EACH GROUP. Why don't you just accept what the bible teaches?

 

[Hammster]

Context is important. However, it can be subjective.

These passage are explicit. It is only by twisting the words that you can change the meaning. For example, claiming ALL MEN means SOME MEN FROM EACH GROUP. Why don't you just accept what the bible teaches?

What passages?! You have not posted any passages!! That’s what I’m asking for.

 

[K Watt]

I know. He said they were lukewarm. And then said if anyone knocks. Same group.

Anyone means anyone. He was teaching them.

 

[Hammster]

Anyone means anyone.

Then everyone is also lukewarm.

 

[K Watt]

What passages?! You have not posted any passages!! That’s what I’m asking for.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 2:4
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.

Acts 17:30
Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all men everywhere to repent.

1 Tim 2
3This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.


Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in anyone's death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live!

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


1 Peter 1:17
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear;

 

[K Watt]

Then everyone is also lukewarm.

He didn't say that. You are saying that.

 

[Hammster]

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 2:4
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.

Acts 17:30
Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all men everywhere to repent.

1 Tim 2
3This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.


Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in anyone's death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live!

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


1 Peter 1:17
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear;

NONE OF THOSE ARE PASSAGES!

 

[Hammster]

He didn't say that. You are saying that.

You are correct. He didn’t. The whole section was just for that church.

 

[BBAS 64]

God's grace is given to every human being. Jesus died for the whole world. If you deny this, then you are in essence turning God into a sadistic monster.

Fortunately, that is not the truth:

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 2:4
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.

Acts 17:30
Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all men everywhere to repent.

1 Tim 2
3This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.


Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in anyone's death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live!

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


1 Peter 1:17
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear;

Good Day K Watt

Covered most of this ground for you in "look at the book" and post 66 which you have yet to reply.

I would refer you to a more contextual understanding of the verses you ripped out of John, by Augustine him self.

Command what you will, and Grant what you command.... Grace at it's finest!

In Him

Bill

 

[K Watt]

NONE OF THOSE ARE PASSAGES!

They are all passages. Need a dictionary?

 

[K Watt]

Good Day K Watt

Covered most of this ground for you in "look at the book" and post 66 which you have yet to reply.

I would refer you to a more contextual understanding of the verses you ripped out of John, by Augustine him self.

Command what you will, and Grant what you command.... Grace at it's finest!

In Him

Bill

Maybe you could just tell me what you think these verses mean if they don't mean what they say.

 

[K Watt]

You are correct. He didn’t. The whole section was just for that church.

If I am speaking to any group and I say ANYONE can do this, for example, I'm making a universal statement.

Do you believe that every time Jesus spoke his words only apply to those he was addressing?

 

[Hammster]

They are all passages. Need a dictionary?

They are verses. Passages contain verses. Verses are not passages. Passages help with context. Verses assume context.

 

[Hammster]

If I am speaking to any group and I say ANYONE can do this, for example, I'm making a universal statement.

Do you believe that every time Jesus spoke his words only apply to those he was addressing?

I believe that context determines that. I don’t believe that when He sent Judas off to betray Him, that He had me in mind.

 

[Hammster]

Maybe you could just tell me what you think these verses mean if they don't mean what they say.

I can’t since you think actually using context is some sly way to twist the meaning.