Is belief enough to be saved?

[Lindas Place]

Lindas Place:

You're doing it, again. Why do you run from the verses which I post and "wave the magic wand" with unrelated scriptures which you somehow think are going to make the other verses go away? They're still there.

God alone is righteous? He saw Noah as righteous (Genesis 7:1), didn't He? Just one of MANY examples that I could give.

WE are unrighteous? Speak for yourself. Paul was describing the condition of someone BEFORE SALVATION.

God credits believers with His righteousness. Yes, He does and He fully expects us to DO RIGHTEOUSNESS, as I've already quoted and you've already dodged.

Some people try to establish their own righteousness. True, but that was talking about the Jews who sought their righteousness in the law alone and apart from Christ.

Some people make God out to be a liar. True, but, in context, John was talking about those who were saying that they had NEVER sinned. In fact, just a little further on this same epistle, John says that those who are truly born of God CANNOT SIN because His seed or Spirit (He's not called the HOLY Spirit for nothing) remains in them.

Some people believe God. True, and I'm one of them. God said that those who DO RIGHTEOUSNESS are righteous, even as He is righteous AND I BELIEVE HIM. You? Well, no offense, but you're really starting to sound like one of those people whom John warned us about.

And receive the gift of righteousness. Yes, it is a gift and God fully expects us to use it. Again, He's given unto us ALL THINGS which pertain to life and godliness, so we are without excuse if we don't use them. Additionally, the scriptures plainly teach that we can FAIL THE GRACE OF GOD and DO DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE if we're not careful.

God alone is holy? Have you never read:

I Peter 1:13-16

"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance, BUT AS HE WHICH HATH CALLED YOU IS HOLY, SO BE YE HOLY IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION. BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN, BE YE HOLY; FOR I AM HOLY."

???

Now, would you like to actually address what I posted or should I expect more of the same from you?

God alone is HOLY...


Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

1 Corinthians 1
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus,
who has become for us wisdom from God—
that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
31Therefore, as it is written:
"Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

 

[God's Word]

God alone is HOLY...


Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

1 Corinthians 1
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus,
who has become for us wisdom from God—
that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
31Therefore, as it is written:
"Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

I Thessalonians 4:7-8

"For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, BUT UNTO HOLINESS. HE THEREFORE THAT DESPISETH, DESPISETH NOT MAN, BUT GOD, WHO HATH ALSO GIVEN UNTO US HIS HOLY SPIRIT."

Be careful not to DESPISE the very Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29). What you're describing, our supposed inability as Christians to either do righteousness or be holy, is NOT "grace". In fact, it's DIS-grace.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

God alone is HOLY...

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

1 Corinthians 1
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus,
who has become for us wisdom from God—
that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
31Therefore, as it is written:
"Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

Psalms 51:10: "Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me."

1 Corinthians 2:2: "For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

2 Corinthians 5:21: "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

Galatians 2:19-21:
"19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Galatians 6:14:
"But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."

 

[God's Word]

This would be comical, if it weren't such a serious matter. IOW, just as I proclaimed earlier today, people continually ignore the scriptures which refute their position whilst simultaneously "waving the magic wand" of other scriptures which supposedly make the others just disappear. Sad, truly sad.

 

[Frogster]

I Thessalonians 4:7-8

"For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, BUT UNTO HOLINESS. HE THEREFORE THAT DESPISETH, DESPISETH NOT MAN, BUT GOD, WHO HATH ALSO GIVEN UNTO US HIS HOLY SPIRIT."

Be careful not to DESPISE the very Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29). What you're describing, our supposed inability as Christians to either do righteousness or be holy, is NOT "grace". In fact, it's DIS-grace.

it just so happens, that the warning of heb 10;29, was directed at those who were going back to the old cov!

linda's postion is correct, old cov promotion is not.

 

[Lindas Place]

I Thessalonians 4:7-8

"For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, BUT UNTO HOLINESS. HE THEREFORE THAT DESPISETH, DESPISETH NOT MAN, BUT GOD, WHO HATH ALSO GIVEN UNTO US HIS HOLY SPIRIT."

Be careful not to DESPISE the very Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29). What you're describing, our supposed inability as Christians to either do righteousness or be holy, is NOT "grace". In fact, it's DIS-grace.

I didn' describe anything... I just post these scriptures... boasting in the Lord.


Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

1 Corinthians 1
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus,
who has become for us wisdom from God—
that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
31Therefore, as it is written:
"Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

 

[Frogster]

I Thessalonians 4:7-8

"For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, BUT UNTO HOLINESS. HE THEREFORE THAT DESPISETH, DESPISETH NOT MAN, BUT GOD, WHO HATH ALSO GIVEN UNTO US HIS HOLY SPIRIT."

Be careful not to DESPISE the very Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29). What you're describing, our supposed inability as Christians to either do righteousness or be holy, is NOT "grace". In fact, it's DIS-grace.

here is more from hebrews, a clear warning to live by faith, not law. the warning was not to go to perdition. How? by getting under the old cov, so u were incorrect, in your usage to linda and 10;29


10:“38 but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

 

[Lindas Place]

This would be comical, if it weren't such a serious matter. IOW, just as I proclaimed earlier today, people continually ignore the scriptures which refute their position whilst simultaneously "waving the magic wand" of other scriptures which supposedly make the others just disappear. Sad, truly sad.

The text claims it is to be rightly divided.

There are no contradictions in the text. (there are perceived conflicts)

 

[B-74]

Lets all calm down before it gets out of hand. We are making the Lords Gospel hard to understand when its easy. It all boils down to knowing how badly we need the lords Grace.

And putting on the new man who obeys Gods will. Its all about doing Gods will. All we must do is know what God's will is, and pray without ceasing for Him to help us obey.

Jesus said:

Mt 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Mathew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

it just so happens, that the warning of heb 10;29, was directed at those who were going back to the old cov!

linda's postion is correct, old cov promotion is not.

Jeremiah 31:31-33: "'Behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,' declares the LORD. 'But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,' declares the LORD, 'I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,' declares the LORD, 'for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.'"

Hebrews 8:6: "But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises."

Hebrews 9:15: "And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance."

Hebrews 12:24: "to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel."

 

[Lindas Place]

Lets all calm down.

Sorry, I didn't know you were upset... everyone else seems to be calm here... maybe you should take a break and ask the Lord for peace that passes understanding... God bless you.

 

[Lindas Place]

Jeremiah 31:31-33: "'Behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,' declares the LORD. 'But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,' declares the LORD, 'I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,' declares the LORD, 'for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.'"

Hebrews 8:6: "But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises."

Hebrews 9:15: "And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance."

Hebrews 12:24: "to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel."

 

[B-74]

Sorry, I didn't know you were upset... everyone else seems to be calm here... maybe you should take a break and ask the Lord for peace that passes understanding... God bless you.

I just know how these things can get out of hand, been around the GT block a few times. I wasn't accusing, just reminding us all. No harm no foul.


2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

 

[God's Word]

hebrews notes Noah as righteous by faith, in 11.

Yes, and...??? You should be familiar enough with my posting history to know that I've ofttimes stated that Noah was justified by faith. This doesn't mean that he didn't have the corresponding works to go with it, though, does it? I mean, he not only spent much of his lifetime building an ark, but he was also a preacher of righteousness.

Paul also said that to titus, the gentile as far as our own righteousness.

True, but that only helps to prove my point, for we read:

Titus 3:3-8

"For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving diverse lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, BY THE WASHING OF REGENERATION, AND RENEWING OF THE HOLY GHOST; WHICH HE SHED ON US ABUNDANTLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. THIS IS A FAITHFUL SAYING, AND THESE THINGS I WILL THAT THOU AFFIRM CONSTANTLY, THAT THEY WHICH HAVE BELIEVED IN GOD MIGHT BE CAREFUL TO MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. THESE THINGS ARE GOOD AND PROFITABLE UNTO MEN."

Clearly, as in his epistle to the Ephesians and elsewhere, Paul speaks of two different kinds of "works". The first "works" are "the works of the law" by which no man will be saved. IOW, apart from the righteousness which was imputed unto us through our faith in Christ's sacrificial atonement on our behalfs, we have no "washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" or no new birth or born again experience. This, I will never dispute. However, at the same time, AFTER we've been born again, God fully expects us to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. In fact, Paul said that Christians ought to CONSTANTLY AFFIRM as much. There's no shortage of scriptures in the New Testament which teach as much...many of them written by the same Paul whom some of you would like us to believe was against all GOOD WORKS. In fact, the only ways around them are to either flat out ignore them or to try to confuse the saints into believing that all GOOD WORKS are synonymous with "the works of the law". They're not, so you people need to give it a rest.

however, the divine nature peter spoke of, was the same as romans 6, and it did not come by works. Did it?

No, it did not come by works. Who said that it did? Certainly not me. What I'm saying is that AFTER we have received such a Divine nature, God fully expects for us to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS, as many scriptures testify, and as we just finished reading.

again, the only way we can be holy, is to BE in christ, or it is our own righteousness. How am i wrong?

Who said that you were wrong? Again, it certainly wasn't me. Of course, the only way that we can be holy is to be in Christ, BUT WE ARE IN CHRIST, SO WE SHOULD BE HOLY. I mean, c'mon, why do you think God gave us the HOLY Spirit?

 

[Frogster]

Sorry, I didn't know you were upset... everyone else seems to be calm here... maybe you should take a break and ask the Lord for peace that passes understanding... God bless you.

 

[Frogster]

Jeremiah 31:31-33: "'Behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,' declares the LORD. 'But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,' declares the LORD, 'I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,' declares the LORD, 'for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.'"

Hebrews 8:6: "But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises."

Hebrews 9:15: "And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance."

Hebrews 12:24: "to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel."

I hear ya bro, we did not come to the mountain of gloom, in heb 12..

 

[Whisper of Hope]

I just know how these things can get out of hand, been around the GT block a few times. I wasn't accusing, just reminding us all. No harm no foul.


2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Amen.

"8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. 12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him." (Colossians 2:8-17)

 

[God's Word]

Lets all calm down.​

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Sorry, I didn't know you were upset... everyone else seems to be calm here... maybe you should take a break and ask the Lord for peace that passes understanding... God bless you.

LOL!

I'm sorry...but that was funny.

 

[Jpark]

Luke 13:1-5, John 13:8, John 3:14, 1 John 3:2-3, 1 Peter 1:21, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 1 Peter 3:21, Heb. 10:22, Heb. 9:28

Repentance is connection, repentance is salvation.

 

[God's Word]

I hear ya bro...

She's a "sis"...