Is belief enough to be saved?

[Lindas Place]

James teaching about faith without works being dead agrees with Jesus teaching in Mathew 25 and 7.

Why won't we admit this?

And Paul hardly teaches against good works, he only teaches against boasting in them, that's all.

because if salvation is by works, Christ died for nothing....

 

[Frogster]

James teaching about faith without works being dead agrees with Jesus teaching in Mathew 25 and 7.

Why won't we admit this?

u either have to say james and Paul don't agree, and have scriptural contradiciton, or you must admit james is just saying, the a saved person does good works, which is fine, but if you say james meant it literally, works for salvation, then we have a thelogical divide, among the apostles.

 

[B-74]

that we should be grateful that Jesus died for our sins. that salvation is by grace, through faith, no longer by works...

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

Ok then, no sense in arguing about it if you won't see the truth.

 

[Frogster]

because if salvation is by works, Christ died for nothing....

notice nothing about the cross, from certain people? GAL 2;21.

 

[B-74]

notice nothing about the cross, from certain people?

Mathew 25 and 7 isn't about the cross?

 

[Frogster]

Mathew 25 and 7 isn't about the cross?

GIVE ME DEATAILED TEXT TO, TO FUSE WORKS AND THE CROSS.

 

[B-74]

because if salvation is by works, Christ died for nothing....

I never said salvation is by works, i just said if our faith is real, we will obey the Lord and His apostles instead of taking Paul out of context.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

People who know they have eternal life are not desperate.... if anything I would think those who are trusting in their works to keep them saved would be desperate... I know I would, if salvation depended on my righteousness, my acts.... even King David knew better than that...

I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16

1 John 5:9-13: "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written TO YOU WHO BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE SONG OF GOD, THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."

 

[Frogster]

I never said salvation is by works, i just said if our faith is real, we will obey the Lord and His apostles instead of taking Paul out of context.

how is linda taking paul out of context? sure we wanna do good works, but give me deatiled text, from paul, to show how works save.

 

[B-74]

GIVE ME DEATAILED TEXT TO, TO FUSE WORKS AND THE CROSS.

I won't argue with you bro, it would be futile, and those who want to see the truth and want to have a logical debate will not either i assume.

 

[Lion King]

People who know they have eternal life are not desperate.... if anything I would think those who are trusting in their works to keep them saved would be desperate... I know I would, if salvation depended on my righteousness, my acts.... even King David knew better than that...

I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16

One does not receive eternal life by faith alone....

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:4-6

 

[Frogster]

oh.

 

[Frogster]

One does not receive eternal life by faith alone....

Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. 1 John 2:4-7

the only way u became alive, is by resurrection, romans 6, in no uncertain terms. so can u tell me what works u did, to help God raise u up, pull u out of the first sinful creation, and put u in him?

dead in adam, alive in christ, where do works come into that?

 

[Lindas Place]

notice nothing about the cross, from certain people? GAL 2;21.

I Notice that too…. no cross, no blood, no gospel, no eternal life, no relationship, no confidence in Christ… just works, keeping laws… the only thing missing is animal sacrificing.

It's always good to see you!

 

[Frogster]

I Notice that too…. no cross, no blood, no gospel, no eternal life, no relationship, no confidence in Christ… just works, keeping laws… the only thing missing is animal sacrificing.

It's always good to see you!

you to friend!

lol...if the temple were still up, I can only imagine the line of Chrisitans trying to offer animals still!

 

[Frogster]

I Notice that too…. no cross, no blood, no gospel, no eternal life, no relationship, no confidence in Christ… just works, keeping laws… the only thing missing is animal sacrificing.

It's always good to see you!

it's still a stumbling block..some want to get under works for spirituality, yet paul said they were getting into the flesh if they did in gal 3;3.




5;11 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed

 

[God's Word]

People who know they have eternal life are not desperate.... if anything I would think those who are trusting in their works to keep them saved would be desperate... I know I would, if salvation depended on my righteousness, my acts.... even King David knew better than that...

I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16

And how, exactly, does one know if they have eternal life or not? One of the scriptural answers that I get to this question is the following...

I John 5:13

"These things have I written unto that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

...but is this REALLY an acceptable answer? IOW, people consistently fail to mention/discuss the "these things" that John had written unto us. Such things as our need to walk in the light as He is in the light (I John 1:5-7), keep His word (I John 2:3-5), love our brother (I John 2:9-11), love not the world (I John 2:15-17), etc., etc., etc. IOW, we have a part to play in this as well.

Anyhow, since you specifically mentioned our own righteousness, as if it's of no value whatsoever, then what do you do with such verses as these:

I John 2:29-3:10

"If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is born of him. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. AND EVERY MAN THAT HATH THIS HOPE IN HIM PURIFIETH HIMSELF, EVEN AS HE IS PURE. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. LITTLE CHILDREN, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

???

"...every one THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is born of him."

"Little children, let no man DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, even as he is righteous."

"...WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD..."

Are you telling me/us that you don't DO RIGHTEOUSNESS? If so, then...

God has given us all things which pertain to life and godliness and we need to use them. In doing such, we purify ourselves, even as He is pure.

 

[Lion King]

the only way u became alive, is by resurrection, romans 6, in no uncertain terms. so can u tell me what works u did, to help God raise u up, pull u out of the first sinful creation, and put u in him?

dead in adam, alive in christ, where do works come into that?

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:8-10

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On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” Luke 10:25-28


That is all.

 

[God's Word]

And how, exactly, does one know if they have eternal life or not? One of the scriptural answers that I get to this question is the following...

I John 5:13

"These things have I written unto that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

...but is this REALLY an acceptable answer? IOW, people consistently fail to mention/discuss the "these things" that John had written unto us. Such things as our need to walk in the light as He is in the light (I John 1:5-7), keep His word (I John 2:3-5), love our brother (I John 2:9-11), love not the world (I John 2:15-17), etc., etc., etc. IOW, we have a part to play in this as well.

See what I mean? No sooner had I finished posting this that I went back to read the posts that I had missed and this is what I read:

1 John 5:9-13: "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written TO YOU WHO BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE SONG OF GOD, THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."

In the words of Yogi Berra:

"It's deja vu, all over again."

Now, what of the "these things" that John actually wrote of? You know, PURIFYING OURSELVES, DOING RIGHTEOUSNESS, etc., etc., etc.

 

[Frogster]

And how, exactly, does one know if they have eternal life or not? One of the scriptural answers that I get to this question is the following...

I John 5:13

"These things have I written unto that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

...but is this REALLY an acceptable answer? IOW, people consistently fail to mention/discuss the "these things" that John had written unto us. Such things as our need to walk in the light as He is in the light (I John 1:5-7), keep His word (I John 2:3-5), love our brother (I John 2:9-11), love not the world (I John 2:15-17), etc., etc., etc. IOW, we have a part to play in this as well.

Anyhow, since you specifically mentioned our own righteousness, as if it's of no value whatsoever, then what do you do with such verses as these:

I John 2:29-3:10

"If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is born of him. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. AND EVERY MAN THAT HATH THIS HOPE IN HIM PURIFIETH HIMSELF, EVEN AS HE IS PURE. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. LITTLE CHILDREN, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

???

"...every one THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is born of him."

"Little children, let no man DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, even as he is righteous."

"...WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD..."

Are you telling me/us that you don't DO RIGHTEOUSNESS? If so, then...

God has given us all things which pertain to life and godliness and we need to use them. In doing such, we purify ourselves, even as He is pure.

as far as the "pure" word, the only place impurty is, is in the flesh, so please tell us/me, how one purifies the old dead creation?

the "just shall live by faith", so you had better have a definition of righteousness, before to toss around that word.