Is belief enough to be saved?

[B-74]

you to friend!

lol...if the temple were still up, I can only imagine the line of Chrisitans trying to offer animals still!

Ignoring Romans 14, Mathew 25 and 7, James, 1 john, and many other scriptures is a stumbling block, we cant hand pick doctrine and discard the rest.


We are the temple, why not talk about not grieving the HS? Why not talk about Gods jealousy?

 

[B-74]

The just shall live by faith, and faith without obedience is dead. Who's living by true faith and who's faith is dead and in vain?

 

[Frogster]

Ignoring Romans 14, Mathew 25 and 7, James, 1 john, and many other scriptures is a stumbling block, we cant hand pick doctrine and discard the rest.


We are the temple, why not talk about not grieving the HS? Why not talk about Gods jealousy?

just give me 1 verse tying works to the cross then. i thought the cross was the central part of Christianity?

 

[Frogster]

The just shall live by faith, and faith without obedience is dead. Who's living by true faith and who's faith is dead and in vain?

well..u never answered, do the apostles not agree, james and paul? we need a definition before you say things. we are talking about works justification, not do we want to do good works. understand?

 

[B-74]

Paul said abstain from all evil, flee from idolatry and fornication, don't grieve the Holy Spirit, God is a jealous God, why not talk about that?

 

[Lindas Place]

And how, exactly, does one know if they have eternal life or not? One of the scriptural answers that I get to this question is the following...

I John 5:13

"These things have I written unto that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

...but is this REALLY an acceptable answer? IOW, people consistently fail to mention/discuss the "these things" that John had written unto us. Such things as our need to walk in the light as He is in the light (I John 1:5-7), keep His word (I John 2:3-5), love our brother (I John 2:9-11), love not the world (I John 2:15-17), etc., etc., etc. IOW, we have a part to play in this as well.

Anyhow, since you specifically mentioned our own righteousness, as if it's of no value whatsoever, then what do you do with such verses as these:

I John 2:29-3:10

"If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is born of him. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. AND EVERY MAN THAT HATH THIS HOPE IN HIM PURIFIETH HIMSELF, EVEN AS HE IS PURE. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. LITTLE CHILDREN, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

???

"...every one THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is born of him."

"Little children, let no man DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, even as he is righteous."

"...WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD..."

Are you telling me/us that you don't DO RIGHTEOUSNESS? If so, then...

God has given us all things which pertain to life and godliness and we need to use them. In doing such, we purify ourselves, even as He is pure.

David praised God for HIS righteousness… here’s a few scriptures concerning righteousness and holiness …

God alone is righteous.
I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16
We are unrighteous.
As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3: 10
God credits believers with His righteousness.
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4:5
Some people try to establish their own righteousness.
For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 10: 2-3
Some people make God out to be a liar.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 1 John 1: 8-10
Some people believe God.
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes Romans 10: 4
And receive the gift of righteousness.
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:17

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Romans 3:21

For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

 

[B-74]

just give me 1 verse tying works to the cross then. i thought the cross was the central part of Christianity?

Mathew 25 and 7 is a good start.

 

[Frogster]

David praised God for HIS righteousness… here’s a few scriptures concerning righteousness and holiness …

God alone is righteous.
I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16
We are unrighteous.
As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3: 10
God credits believers with His righteousness.
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4:5
Some people try to establish their own righteousness.
For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 10: 2-3
Some people make God out to be a liar.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 1 John 1: 8-10
Some people believe God.
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes Romans 10: 4
And receive the gift of righteousness.
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:17

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Romans 3:21

For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

yup..but now, 3;21..good
stuff..

 

[Frogster]

Mathew 25 and 7 is a good start.

post clear definitive text.

 

[Frogster]

romans 5-6, totally shames the works doctrine...the cross was the answer, the act of THE ONE MAN, THE ONE ACT..not...not..the acts of the many!

 

[B-74]

post clear definitive text.

Ro 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. (not Gods will)

By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Ro 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

 

[Frogster]

Ro 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Ro 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

dude..lol..the whole point was, NOT UNDER LAW..6;14..it was the cross and resurrection that freed from sin, not law!

 

[Frogster]

Ro 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. (not Gods will)

By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Ro 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

look how sin has dominion under law, it's right in your post, in 6;14...

 

[Lindas Place]

Mathew 25 and 7 is a good start.

Matthew 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Romans 4:5-7
5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

Galatians 3:1-6: "1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham 'believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.'”

Galatians 5:1-6: "1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."

Salvation belongs to the Lord (Psalms 3:8; Revelation 7:10) and He provided only one way for us to be saved and that is through His Son, Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). We cannot earn or merit our salvation by our own filthy ragged acts of righteousness (Isaiah 64:6). Any sacrifice we make to God, in an attempt to appease Him or atone for our own sins, would be detestable and an abomination to Him (Proverbs 15:8; Proverbs 21:27). Furthermore, Scripture is very clear that we are not saved by our works, but by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, (John 1:12-13; 3:16-18; 3:36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:26-27; 6:35-40; 6:47-51; 6:54; 10:27-29; 11:25-26; 12:44-46; 17:1-5; Romans 3:16-18; 21-26; 4:2-6; 5:1-11; 6:22-23; 8:1; 9:31-33; 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9; 2 Corinthians 5:17-19; Ephesians 1:13-14; 2:4-10; Colossians 1:13-14; 2:10; Galatians 2:16; 2:21; 3:4; Titus 1:2; 3:4-7; 1 John 5:9-13; 5:20), which is in accordance with the riches of His grace (Ephesians 1:7-8). Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was sufficient enough to atone for our sins (Romans 3:25; Romans 5:8-9; Hebrews 7:27; 1 Peter 1:18-19; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10), because His suffering and death appeased God's wrath against sin (Isaiah 53:4-6; Romans 3:24-26; 11:6; Hebrews 2:17; 9:26; 10:10-18; 1 Peter 2:24). He bore our sins and nailed them to the cross, once and for all (Colossians 2:14; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18). It is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes (Romans 1:16-17), and we will be justified by our faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:21-26; 5:1-11). We are no longer under God's wrath (John 3:18; John 3:36; Romans 1:18-32). And there is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ (Romans 8:1). God no longer appoints us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:9-10).

 

[Frogster]

does it say sin has dominion under law right in your post?

 

[Frogster]

Galatians 3:1-6: "1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham 'believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.'”

Galatians 5:1-6: "1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."

Salvation belongs to the Lord (Psalms 3:8; Revelation 7:10) and He provided only one way for us to be saved and that is through His Son, Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). We cannot earn or merit our salvation by our own filthy ragged acts of righteousness (Isaiah 64:6). Any sacrifice we make to God, in an attempt to appease Him or atone for our own sins, would be detestable and an abomination to Him (Proverbs 15:8; Proverbs 21:27). Furthermore, Scripture is very clear that we are not saved by our works, but by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, (John 1:12-13; 3:16-18; 3:36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:26-27; 6:35-40; 6:47-51; 6:54; 10:27-29; 11:25-26; 12:44-46; 17:1-5; Romans 3:16-18; 21-26; 4:2-6; 5:1-11; 6:22-23; 8:1; 9:31-33; 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9; 2 Corinthians 5:17-19; Ephesians 1:13-14; 2:4-10; Colossians 1:13-14; 2:10; Galatians 2:16; 2:21; 3:4; Titus 1:2; Titus 3:4-7; 1 John 5:9-13; 1 John 5:20), which is in accordance with the riches of His grace (Ephesians 1:7-8). According to Scripture, Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was sufficient enough to atone for our sins (Romans 3:25; Romans 5:8-9; Hebrews 7:27; 1 Peter 1:18-19; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10), because His suffering and death on the cross appeased God's wrath against sin (Isaiah 53:4-6; Romans 3:24-26; Romans 11:6; Hebrews 2:17; Hebrews 9:26; Hebrews 10:10-18; 1 Peter 2:24). He bore our sins and nailed them to the cross, once and for all (Colossians 2:14; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18). And it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes (Romans 1:16-17), and they will be justified by their faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:21-26; Romans 5:1-11).

yup, and gal 5;7 says they were running well, all until the law party came, and got them under law bondage. same ole, same ole..

 

[God's Word]

God alone is righteous.
I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16
We are unrighteous.
As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3: 10
God credits believers with His righteousness.
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4:5
Some people try to establish their own righteousness.
For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 10: 2-3
Some people make God out to be a liar.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 1 John 1: 8-10
Some people believe God.
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes Romans 10: 4
And receive the gift of righteousness.
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:17

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Romans 3:21

For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

Lindas Place:

You're doing it, again. Why do you run from the verses which I post and "wave the magic wand" with unrelated scriptures which you somehow think are going to make the other verses go away? They're still there.

God alone is righteous? He saw Noah as righteous (Genesis 7:1), didn't He? Just one of MANY examples that I could give.

WE are unrighteous? Speak for yourself. Paul was describing the condition of someone BEFORE SALVATION.

God credits believers with His righteousness. Yes, He does and He fully expects us to DO RIGHTEOUSNESS, as I've already quoted and you've already dodged.

Some people try to establish their own righteousness. True, but that was talking about the Jews who sought their righteousness in the law alone and apart from Christ.

Some people make God out to be a liar. True, but, in context, John was talking about those who were saying that they had NEVER sinned. In fact, just a little further on this same epistle, John says that those who are truly born of God CANNOT SIN because His seed or Spirit (He's not called the HOLY Spirit for nothing) remains in them.

Some people believe God. True, and I'm one of them. God said that those who DO RIGHTEOUSNESS are righteous, even as He is righteous AND I BELIEVE HIM. You? Well, no offense, but you're really starting to sound like one of those people whom John warned us about.

And receive the gift of righteousness. Yes, it is a gift and God fully expects us to use it. Again, He's given unto us ALL THINGS which pertain to life and godliness, so we are without excuse if we don't use them. Additionally, the scriptures plainly teach that we can FAIL THE GRACE OF GOD and DO DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE if we're not careful.

God alone is holy? Have you never read:

I Peter 1:13-16

"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance, BUT AS HE WHICH HATH CALLED YOU IS HOLY, SO BE YE HOLY IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION. BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN, BE YE HOLY; FOR I AM HOLY."

???

Now, would you like to actually address what I posted or should I expect more of the same from you?

 

[Frogster]

Lindas Place:

You're doing it, again. Why do you run from the verses which I post and "wave the magic wand" with unrelated scriptures which you somehow think are going to make the other verses go away? They're still there.

God alone is righteous? He saw Noah as righteous (Genesis 7:1), didn't He? Just one of MANY examples that I could give.

hebrews notes Noah as righteous by faith, in 11.

WE are unrighteous? Speak for yourself. Paul was describing the condition of someone BEFORE SALVATION.

God credits believers with His righteousness. Yes, He does and He fully expects us to DO RIGHTEOUSNESS, as I've already quoted and you've already dodged.

Some people try to establish their own righteousness. True, but that was talking about the Jews who sought their righteousness in the law alone and apart from Christ.

Paul also said that to titus, the gentile as far as our own righteousness.

Some people make God out to be a liar. True, but, in context, John was talking about those who were saying that they had NEVER sinned. In fact, just a little further on this same epistle, John says that those who are truly born of God CANNOT SIN because His seed or Spirit (He's not called the HOLY Spirit for nothing) remains in them.

Some people believe God. True, and I'm one of them. God said that those who DO RIGHTEOUSNESS are righteous, even as He is righteous AND I BELIEVE HIM. You? Well, no offense, but you're really starting to sound like one of those people whom John warned us about.

And receive the gift of righteousness. Yes, it is a gift and God fully expects us to use it. Again, He's given unto us ALL THINGS which pertain to life and godliness, so we are without excuse if we don't use them. Additionally, the scriptures plainly teach that we can FAIL THE GRACE OF GOD and DO DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE if we're not careful.

however, the divine nature peter spoke of, was the same as romans 6, and it did not come by works. Did it?

God alone is holy? Have you never read:

I Peter 1:13-16

"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance, BUT AS HE WHICH HATH CALLED YOU IS HOLY, SO BE YE HOLY IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION. BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN, BE YE HOLY; FOR I AM HOLY."

???

Now, would you like to actually address what I posted or should I expect more of the same from you?

[/QUOTE]again, the only way we can be holy, is to BE in christ, or it is our own righteousness. How am i wrong?

 

[Frogster]

Lindas Place:

You're doing it, again. Why do you run from the verses which I post and "wave the magic wand" with unrelated scriptures which you somehow think are going to make the other verses go away? They're still there.

God alone is righteous? He saw Noah as righteous (Genesis 7:1), didn't He? Just one of MANY examples that I could give.

WE are unrighteous? Speak for yourself. Paul was describing the condition of someone BEFORE SALVATION.

God credits believers with His righteousness. Yes, He does and He fully expects us to DO RIGHTEOUSNESS, as I've already quoted and you've already dodged.

Some people try to establish their own righteousness. True, but that was talking about the Jews who sought their righteousness in the law alone and apart from Christ.

Some people make God out to be a liar. True, but, in context, John was talking about those who were saying that they had NEVER sinned. In fact, just a little further on this same epistle, John says that those who are truly born of God CANNOT SIN because His seed or Spirit (He's not called the HOLY Spirit for nothing) remains in them.

Some people believe God. True, and I'm one of them. God said that those who DO RIGHTEOUSNESS are righteous, even as He is righteous AND I BELIEVE HIM. You? Well, no offense, but you're really starting to sound like one of those people whom John warned us about.

And receive the gift of righteousness. Yes, it is a gift and God fully expects us to use it. Again, He's given unto us ALL THINGS which pertain to life and godliness, so we are without excuse if we don't use them. Additionally, the scriptures plainly teach that we can FAIL THE GRACE OF GOD and DO DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE if we're not careful.

God alone is holy? Have you never read:

I Peter 1:13-16

"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance, BUT AS HE WHICH HATH CALLED YOU IS HOLY, SO BE YE HOLY IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION. BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN, BE YE HOLY; FOR I AM HOLY."

???

Now, would you like to actually address what I posted or should I expect more of the same from you?

what is the IT? that Gave approval?


11 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation.


11;39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,