Is being Wiccan moral?

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

What exactly is meant by yoked? All I know is that it is a harness for cattle to plow with, and I won't plow in a yoke, no matter who is wearing it with me.

What a flattering thing to say about "your" Lord's word.

How can you try to teach to those that don't know if you do not associate with them? Good luck trying to teach a bunch of already-made Christians- you have your work cut out for you.

You're not associating with them. You're not teaching them. You're joining them in lambasting Christians. You're saying on the one hand that you believe the word, yet you've already gone on record as endorsing anyone who believes in God, whether or not it is the God of the Bible, even though you say you believe in CHrist, who said He is the only way. I could go on endlessly about the contradictions, but frankly I don't have the time.

Here's where I am kind of confused. We are to strive to be like Jesus, right? He associated with societal 'outcasts', so how can we try to be like him if we avoid them? I don't see how you can avoid unbelievers yet attempt to introduce them to Him at the same time.

You associate with them in proportion with their intrest to know about God. You don't take on their philosophies to promote a philosophy you're willing to sell out on. You can't claim CHrist and have the friendship of His enemies. Scripture is clear. You said you believe the word, so if you really want' to be Christlike, that's what you have to do. Hear, and respond, to His word.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

This line is in reference to a group of Jews who claim no resurrection after death. What were you saying about context again? I'm not Jewish, nor do I deny resurrection. Or are you throwing me a curveball? Are the two mutually exclusive? Can you know most of the scriptures and definitely know the power of God and be considered alright? To err is human, and you yourself said it takes a loooooooong time to know the scriptures, so I think it is safe to say we all make mistakes.

Not so fast! Do you think this is the only error someone can make without knowing the scriptures? Anyone who doesn't know scripture will fall into error.

How many times must I repeat that I believe the Bible is the word of God?

What you say isn't reflected by what you do. You're saying you believe it, yet you say that you can agree with anyone who believes in God. Doesn't matter which one. You also seem to think an idol is only a carved object, completely ignoring the command to have no other gods. Not making an idol is only half the commandment. No Other Gods. You say you believe scripture, adn then you fight against Christians who quote it. You side with pagans who don't want to hear the scripture that can save them, and you join the effort to stomp it out. At a Christian forum.

You say you belive in Jesus, but you reject what he taught.

I will never know for certain how much or how little the Lord agrees with me.

Well, you have the same access to His word as the rest of us. You can't ride the fence on this one.

I'll finish the replies later.

 

[SquareC]

I could go line-by-line through those posts, Whitehorse, and point out the logical fallacies and the hypocrisies scattered throughout them, but it's not worth my time.

 

[Schism]

Whitehorse=Crazed Bible Maniac Bent on Higher Post Count


Haven't you something better to do than pick on fellow Christians who aren't as literal about the Bible as you? Nobody asked for your preaching. After all, you're just some person on the internet acting like you know all the answers and we don't know anything.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Whitehorse=Crazed Bible Maniac Bent on Higher Post Count


Haven't you something better to do than pick on fellow Christians who aren't as literal about the Bible as you? Nobody asked for your preaching. After all, you're just some person on the internet acting like you know all the answers and we don't know anything.

Isnt there an angry juvenile thread somewhere where folks like this can post while they chew on a rubber stick?


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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Schism]

Great one-liner. You haven't addressed the question raised though; Why do you continually denounce others who aren't as literal about the Bible who are also Christian?

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Yes it was spoken by a Celtic Witch. What is that comment supposed to be intimating?

Within the thread title lies the clue to the mystery of the intimation.

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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Sola Scriptura]

"Havoc]Not really. I step out of my own belief zone in order to consider other religions points of view all the time."

Consider with mallet in hand?

"I'm also comfortable enough in my own faith that I don't have to pretend that speculation is proof and that suppositions are fact. "

Is that a factual suppostion?


"I'm perfectly aware that my religion cannot be proven true and perfectly ok with believeing that it is true. I don't have to make ridiculous claims of absolute truth, or tell other people their religious concepts are completly false just to artificially prop up my faith."

Is that the absolute truth?

"I don't have to use circular arguements and ingenuine debate to convince myself that my religion cannot be challenged by reason."

So you use square arguments? All humans argue in circles tell me what other way of argumentation is there?

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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Sola Scriptura]

By age two, a normal human being will have acquired a sense of Object Permanence in his cognitive development. This is the idea that an object that is out of view still exists. This is where a parent will show the child a toy, then hide it behind his back, and the child will now begin looking for the toy, realizing it still exists even if he can't see it. Most children actually learn this much earlier, around six to nine months, but in order to be comsidered normal, it is to be grasped no later than age two.

But somehow the desire for man to be his own god is so strong, that man will ignore all the evidence in the world, accepting anything, even nothing, before accepting the truth. This, unless the Spirit of God intervenes.

Well said. There are many examples of this in the world. We awaken every morning expecting the sun to be in the heavens. We walk and do not watch every step for we believe that the ground will be there. We all suppose that characters have played out in history by mere archeological evidences and not a smidgen of their dust in hand. All of our words are invisible, our concepts intangible, our core beliefs unverified by any petri dish; but we believe what ever it is that we do. And so it is that we were made half invisible, a soul within, to engage our fellow man and life and God spiritually. For it is written "that what may be known of God is plain to all" but its suppression, by virtue of the adamic delusion, has caused deviance and philosophic reinvention of the true object of our natural knowledge. Namely God; Lord of All; faithful and true; full of mercy, patience, justice and truth.


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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Teh Wiccan]

It isn't based on love. It's based on self-will. It sounds good initially, but when you think about it, self-will is the opposite of love. Especially when it usurps the throne of God.

I mean, have you seen the love just pouring out here?

I'd like to interject here. "Self-will" being "your will", I would have to disagree. First, lets go through the claim...

1) "It sounds good initially, but when you think about it, self-will is the opposite of love."

Please offer proof supporting this. rather than "it should be obvious to you." Secondly, I can self-will to love someone. Therefore, self-will and love are compatible. I would like to offer a counter-point... Whitehorse, you are a bible-literalist, correct? Then would being tortured for eternity in the presence of the lamb be loving? Is this an act of love?

"Revelation 14:10 (KJV)
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: "

 

[Sola Scriptura]

You associate with them in proportion with their intrest to know about God. You don't take on their philosophies to promote a philosophy you're willing to sell out on. You can't claim CHrist and have the friendship of His enemies. Scripture is clear. You said you believe the word, so if you really want' to be Christlike, that's what you have to do. Hear, and respond, to His word.

KABUMPP!!! This knocked me onto my bony butt with power. Whitehorse don't stop galloping through this vast country. You are the posterity of Shadowfax that great steed. With your hooves you stomp out the fires which burst around you. Your snorts are mighty your spirit free in the truth.



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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Havoc]

How much money did you have to contribute to join the "I love Whitehorse" club?

 

[msjones21]

Hahahaha I love watching fundie zealots make themselves look like total stooges. I can just picture Whitehorse standing on a street corner telling others exactly why they aren't as "good" a Christian as he is and Sola Scriptura shouting from the crowd "AMEN mighty Whitehorse! You fiery steed! Preach the WORD with your mighty voice and stomp out the unrighteous with your hooves of purity!" Heh that's a funny visual.

 

[transientlife]

What a flattering thing to say about "your" Lord's word.

It's called a joke, not to mention sarcasm . Not to mention you took it out of a complete paragraph. Nice try.

You're not associating with them. You're not teaching them. You're joining them in lambasting Christians.

I wouldn't say that. Far be it from me to correct them when they say some Christians are hateful, selfrighteous people, because it is the truth, is it not?.

You're saying on the one hand that you believe the word, yet you've already gone on record as endorsing anyone who believes in God, whether or not it is the God of the Bible, even though you say you believe in CHrist, who said He is the only way. I could go on endlessly about the contradictions, but frankly I don't have the time.

I don't endorse anything. There are no contradictions, it's called seeing both sides.

You associate with them in proportion with their intrest to know about God. You don't take on their philosophies to promote a philosophy you're willing to sell out on.

Don't believe I'm selling out on anything.

You can't claim CHrist and have the friendship of His enemies. Scripture is clear. You said you believe the word, so if you really want' to be Christlike, that's what you have to do. Hear, and respond, to His word.

Matthew 5:38-48


We were doing so well in trying to understand each other

 

[Sola Scriptura]

I could go line-by-line through those posts, Whitehorse, and point out the logical fallacies and the hypocrisies scattered throughout them, but it's not worth my time.

Sola Scriptura notes SquareC from the corner of his eye.

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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[transientlife]

Not so fast! Do you think this is the only error someone can make without knowing the scriptures? Anyone who doesn't know scripture will fall into error.

No denial there.

What you say isn't reflected by what you do. You're saying you believe it, yet you say that you can agree with anyone who believes in God. Doesn't matter which one. You also seem to think an idol is only a carved object, completely ignoring the command to have no other gods.

Obviously my sarcasm isn't obvious enough

Not making an idol is only half the commandment. No Other Gods.

I don't believe in any other Gods, so what's the problem there?

You say you believe scripture, adn then you fight against Christians who quote it.

I don't see much "fighting" at all coming from my end, just some calling of people on their rudeness, whether or not they quote scripture .

You side with pagans who don't want to hear the scripture that can save them, and you join the effort to stomp it out. At a Christian forum.

They don't want to hear JUST scripture ---they want to hear arguments formed out of a humans brain. Sometimes it's not balanced. Well, obviously this isn't as much a CHRISTIAN forum as it is a Theological one, since we have all faiths posting here. The only way I couldn't argue that is if there was a disclaimer "CHRISTIANS"...no wait..." TRUE CHRISTIANS ONLY" upon registering

You say you belive in Jesus, but you reject what he taught.

If that's what you want to believe. It is of no concern of mine if you have decided whether I'm a Christian or not. I respect freedom of thought so you can think what you will. But you won't be the one judging me when I'm dead.

Well, you have the same access to His word as the rest of us. You can't ride the fence on this one.

I don't know, I find it quite absurd to be able to claim you know what the Lord will think of you...or what he is thinking at all. We can assume at best.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

How much money did you have to contribute to join the "I love Whitehorse" club?

A commodity obviously depleted from your stores. One paymet of respect, two installments of solidarity. Three monthly payments of honor. And one great balloon payment of admiration. Alright now that my financial secrets have been disclosed let us run.

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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Hahahaha I love watching fundie zealots make themselves look like total stooges. I can just picture Whitehorse standing on a street corner telling others exactly why they aren't as "good" a Christian as he is and Sola Scriptura shouting from the crowd "AMEN mighty Whitehorse! You fiery steed! Preach the WORD with your mighty voice and stomp out the unrighteous with your hooves of purity!" Heh that's a funny visual.

This pic kinda says it all. Yiikkkkeeee

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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[Sola Scriptura]

I wouldn't say that. Far be it from me to correct them when they say some Christians are hateful, selfrighteous people. I don't endorse anything. There are no contradictions, it's called seeing both sides.

Hey transientlife. You didn't happen to vote for the 87 billion before you voted against it?



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"As to homosexuality making an untenible society please check out the Spartans...Or even the Roman and Greek societies where the love of a beautiful lad was the purest love around ...while you may not be happy about it, there are millions and millions of Americans who do not find such "acts"disgusting." -mpshiel-

"I have a few 18+ movies in my DVD collection. Actually I think "Better than Chocolate"
(available at most internet retailers near you) is an 18 plus..." -mpshiel-

 

[transientlife]

Hey transientlife. You didn't happen to vote for the 87 billion before you voted against it?

87 billion what? sorry, I have no idea what you're refering to.