Is baptism necessary to be saved?

[aggie03]

yes baptism is a work

I think that way you're trying to define work and the way that Scriptures define work are twi different definitions. Believing is something that you have to do, is it a work? Why not? Repentence is something that you have to do. Is it a work? Why not? What about making the good confession? Why isn't that a work?

I'm not being facetious, I promise. I truly am interested to hear your answers to those questions, evangelist .

and the way to be save for real is the easy way throgh grace and faith in christ alone.

There's an important distinction that I'd like to make here - we are not saved through grace and faith. We are saved BY grace and THROUGH faith. I think that's a very important distinction to make .

we are saved by grace not water.

I agree. I totally agree. There is nothing that I could do to save myself. Nothing. I am an unprofitable servant (Read Luke 17:10). The thing is though, that God won't bestow His grace on those who don't, just as the unprofitable servant from Luke 17, do what He has commanded.

Belief, Repentance, Confessing, and Baptism are all things, conditions if you will, that God has said are necessary to become one of His children.

 

[Immanuel]

Baptism is an act of obedience. We are saved by grace, not by works so that anyone can boast. GO BACK TO THE BIBLE!!!

 

[aggie03]

Baptism is an act of obedience. We are saved by grace, not by works so that anyone can boast. GO BACK TO THE BIBLE!!!

Luke 17:7-10 ASV

But who is there of you, having a servant plowing or keeping sheep, that will say unto him, when he is come in from the field, Come straightway and sit down to meat; (8) and will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? (9) Doth he thank the servant because he did the things that were commanded? (10) Even so ye also, when ye shall have done all the things that are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which it was our duty to do.

There is no boasting in doing the things that one is commanded to do . I cannot boast because I have been baptized for the remission of my sins - because this wasn't my idea. It's not something I came up with, and it's not something that merits my salvation. God, because He is merciful, has chosen to forgive me of my sins when I was baptized (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16).

I look forward to hearing your comments on this, Immanuel, but I assure you that I only believe what I do because it can be found in the Scriptures . If you're open to discussing this further, and you can show me where I have erred in my understanding, then I am more than willing to change my viewpoint. I only pray that we all feel this way, and that we will all be humble enough to allow God to be true, though we may be false (I pray this for myself in particul ).

I hope that you've been having a good day.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

2 timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His purpose and grace , which was given us in Christ jesus before the world began,

John 15:5b .....for with out Me ye can do nothing.

how can we work for are salvation.....

can not do it.... it is God work not mine!! john 6:29

 

[dnich163]

Jesus certainly felt the need to be baptised, so it would appear the right thing to do.
If we say we can't be saved if we are not baptised then Our Lord appears to have wasted his time on the cross.

David

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

still goin there old aggie?

How ya been?

 

[pentecostal]

One person said that God won't send you to Hell because you died in a car accident on your way to be baptized. But I believe that God won't allow you to die if you are wanting to be baptized. We have to remember its not what I think it is what the Bible says. In Acts 2:37 The people that Peter was preaching asked what they should do, Peter answered them saying in Acts 2:38 Repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost. This has thorough convienced me that I must be baptized to be saved.

 

[aggie03]

still goin there old aggie?

How ya been?

I've been good. How about you? How was basic training? Where are you posted? If I remember correctly you went on active duty as a chaplain's assistant? How do you like that?

 

[Laserman]

Folks,

Water Baptism is only a visible Gospel, it is not the substance of Salvation. Yet at the same time the Bible commands us to be baptized. The Bible also closely connects Baptism to Salvation. Faith is the true Substance of the Gospel whereas baptism is the outer husk. I wouldn't go so far to say Baptism saves and I wouldn't go so far as to say it doesn't. It's like faith and works, regeneration and sanctification Election and free will ect ect. Usually a group will stand firmly on aspect of truth concerning a doctrine and explain away or spiritulize passages that seem to contradict their idea, whereas another will take the opposite stand and explain the other verses away. Why not believe MORE and take both? The Scriptures have both.

Barry

 

[peaches777]

Baptism is showing to the world, that you've acepeted Jesus into your life, and that you want to follow Him for the rest of your life. I think people should get baptised when they're ready to accept Jesus. I don't think you have to be baptised in order to be saved, unless you know the truth.

Mark 16:15-16, NIV "He said to them, 'Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whosoever does not believe will be condemned."

 

[marc37]

I think it is not necessary but it helps making a new start become a little more easy

 

[evangelist]

I think that way you're trying to define work and the way that Scriptures define work are twi different definitions. Believing is something that you have to do, is it a work? Why not? Repentence is something that you have to do. Is it a work? Why not? What about making the good confession? Why isn't that a work?

I'm not being facetious, I promise. I truly am interested to hear your answers to those questions, evangelist .


There's an important distinction that I'd like to make here - we are not saved through grace and faith. We are saved BY grace and THROUGH faith. I think that's a very important distinction to make .


I agree. I totally agree. There is nothing that I could do to save myself.
Nothing. I am an unprofitable servant (Read Luke 17:10). The thing is though, that God won't bestow His grace on those who don't, just as the unprofitable servant from Luke 17, do what He has commanded.

Belief, Repentance, Confessing, and Baptism are all things, conditions if you will, that God has said are necessary to become one of His children.

To say something is a simple work and to confess using your mouth is a simple work and to use your heart take a simple work, but to put on white robes put water in a tub or to get into the water is a hard outward work because you are using more parts of your physical body including holding your breath.
a pastor has said after baptizing 700 people he said it was like a three day hard work and even he was tired from baptism work that he had to get someone else to relieve him of the baptism work,and he said it would have been easier and quicker is althe 3000 people just stood in from and got baptized in the Holy Spirit at one time in one place and all of the repenting ,confession,and the washing of the blood of jesus which make them sinless,is a easier work as a traditional water baptism for the outward witness of what really happens in the heart.

After the pastors did all those baptism they were hurting with pain in the shoulders and specially the water was not so warm also,and etc, so don't tell me it is a easy work.
I remember it took me time to get undress 5 minutes to take the earing out my ears because the church said they will not baptized me with a earing which at that time blow my religious mind.
putting on the robe and walking on the cool floor with my bare foot was not exciting, the water was ice cooled, and after I came out the water they gave me a tiny towel that half dryed my body ,and it was in the middle of Febuary and of course the cold I got after was hard work to get rid of and need healing.
so again baptism is hard work just like trying to get brownie point for heaven in doing good works to qualify for eternal life.

I teach people the heart way to heaven ,and repentance,and let the blood of Jesus wash people Holy and righteoius rather than water.

God Bless

 

[evangelist]

I am sorry I didn't anwer before because my father died last week and I was in Boston again for his funeral, but my father was an born again Evangelist like me so i know my father is in my future praise God and we will meet again without any baptism of water.
BTW I did get to see the football team the patriots who won the supper bowl and Igot pictures of the celebration of my home on video as they drove the the downtown streets.
I am glad to be back on line.

 

[evangelist]

To say something is a simple work and to confess using your mouth is a simple work and to use your heart take a simple work, but to put on white robes put water in a tub or to get into the water is a hard outward work because you are using more parts of your physical body including holding your breath.
a pastor has said after baptizing 700 people he said it was like a three day hard work and even he was tired from baptism work that he had to get someone else to relieve him of the baptism work,and he said it would have been easier and quicker is althe 3000 people just stood in from and got baptized in the Holy Spirit at one time in one place and all of the repenting ,confession,and the washing of the blood of jesus which make them sinless,is a easier work as a traditional water baptism for the outward witness of what really happens in the heart.

After the pastors did all those baptism they were hurting with pain in the shoulders and specially the water was not so warm also,and etc, so don't tell me it is a easy work.
I remember it took me time to get undress 5 minutes to take the earing out my ears because the church said they will not baptized me with a earing which at that time blow my religious mind.
putting on the robe and walking on the cool floor with my bare foot was not exciting, the water was ice cooled, and after I came out the water they gave me a tiny towel that half dryed my body ,and it was in the middle of Febuary and of course the cold I got after was hard work to get rid of and need healing.
so again baptism is hard work just like trying to get brownie point for heaven in doing good works to qualify for eternal life.

I teach people the heart way to heaven ,and repentance,and let the blood of Jesus wash people Holy and righteoius rather than water.

God Bless

 

[KateBeckinsaleAdmirer]

A Christian should be baptized, if possible, but I don't think it's a requirement for salvation.


"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast."

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[cbk]

A Christian should be baptized, if possible, but I don't think it's a requirement for salvation.


"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast."

Ephesians 2:8-9

Ephesians 2:8-9 is a beautiful piece of scripture, but, should we not use this scripture in the context of Paul, the writer? Instead of a piece-mill approach to fashion into what our hearts' desire?

Was it not Paul who wrote Romans? Chapter 6 which shows us what water baptism is? And Chapter 7 which futher illustrates the significance of disenjoining our covenant with sin?

Is this not the same writer who blasted the church of Corinth for being too concerned with WHO it was who baptized them with water? As opposed to him discrediting the practice as we do, today? Does he not state in I Corinthians that we can not boast over this water baptism for it is something that we HAVE RECEIVED by the grace of God, and that those who are baptized with water, therefore, have nothing to boast about?

Does not Paul, in I Corinthians 15, place much focus on baptism of water? He did not discredit and 'waterdown' the significance of the practice in any shape, matter, or form in this scripture, when it was the primary opportunity to do so. But, he did not. Why? For he preached the truth and that truth points to the fact that through water baptism, the grace of God is bestowed upon us, and we can live by faith, in the hopes that God will keep his promises to us in regards to being united with Christ in the resurrection.

In Ephesians 2:4, it is said, "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions -- it is by grace you have been saved." A clear illustration for the church of those who were baptized by water to not forget that it is by God's grace that water baptism has been given. Given for what reasons? Romans 6, written by Paul, should make it clear....

Paul, in Titus 3:5 "He saved us through the washing of rebirth AND renewal by the Holy Spirit."

 

[cbk]

I remember it took me time to get undress 5 minutes to take the earing out my ears because the church said they will not baptized me with a earing which at that time blow my religious mind.
putting on the robe and walking on the cool floor with my bare foot was not exciting, the water was ice cooled, and after I came out the water they gave me a tiny towel that half dryed my body ,and it was in the middle of Febuary and of course the cold I got after was hard work to get rid of and need healing.
so again baptism is hard work just like trying to get brownie point for heaven in doing good works to qualify for eternal life.

God Bless

1) The fact that a preacher is agonizing over performing a baptism does not make it a work ON the individual who is being baptized... You bet it is difficult work for the preacher that PERFORMS the baptism,,,, but it is not the preacher who is entering a covenant relationship through this work... It is the receiver of the God's gift.

I Cor. 2:6-9 Paul, in his first letter to Corinth states "I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow." This, in itself shows that Paul and Apollos had work to do and that it was necessary in accordance to God's Will. But, let's look further.

"So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. The man who plants and the man who waters (your preacher, for instance) hav one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own LABOR. For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building."

So, yes, your PREACHER has done labor in accordance to God's plan. But, HIS work is not the receiver's work.

2) Five minutes to get undressed?? Remove ear rings? Putting on a robe? Cold floor? Small towel?

I am sorry, but this is the most pitiful statements that I have heard to classify water baptism as hard work? How, pray tell, do you even get out of bed in the morning?? How grueling it must be.

All that you have stated in regards to the "Hard Work" with your baptism can be centered upon your own church, not on the Gospel message. In accordance to scripture, you could have went into the water wearing what ever you pleased -- I see no confinements.

But, let me ask you, when you made it into the water, how difficult was the 'work' that you had to do when you submitted yourself to the hands of the preacher who was doing the Will of God? How difficult was it to lay back, go under the water, and arise?? How much work was involved?

 

[evangelist]

1) The fact that a preacher is agonizing over performing a baptism does not make it a work ON the individual who is being baptized... You bet it is difficult work for the preacher that PERFORMS the baptism,,,, but it is not the preacher who is entering a covenant relationship through this work... It is the receiver of the God's gift.

I Cor. 2:6-9 Paul, in his first letter to Corinth states "I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow." This, in itself shows that Paul and Apollos had work to do and that it was necessary in accordance to God's Will. But, let's look further.

"So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. The man who plants and the man who waters (your preacher, for instance) hav one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own LABOR. For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building."

So, yes, your PREACHER has done labor in accordance to God's plan. But, HIS work is not the receiver's work.

2) Five minutes to get undressed?? Remove ear rings? Putting on a robe? Cold floor? Small towel?

I am sorry, but this is the most pitiful statements that I have heard to classify water baptism as hard work? How, pray tell, do you even get out of bed in the morning?? How grueling it must be.

All that you have stated in regards to the "Hard Work" with your baptism can be centered upon your own church, not on the Gospel message. In accordance to scripture, you could have went into the water wearing what ever you pleased -- I see no confinements.

But, let me ask you, when you made it into the water, how difficult was the 'work' that you had to do when you submitted yourself to the hands of the preacher who was doing the Will of God? How difficult was it to lay back, go under the water, and arise?? How much work was involved?

first thank you for your responce and your opinions,and your idea your undrestanding,your reveltion of the water baptism ritual.

the thing about getting up in the morning is no work for me because i love life and getting up is a part of living. iF I was not already alive i wouldn't want to get up so the first thing is important is to be alive and living.

The same with being saved , and i first have to be saved by grace and be a son of God already and be righteous already because alone of Christ and alone clean and sinless because of the washing of the blood of Jesus christ alone, and then after being saved born again and have recieved a new heart in christ jesus and have been already buried spiritually and arised in christ then I should want to be water baptized and etc as i follow Christ in my christian walk or in my already born again life which i recieved when i confessed my sins and repented with my heart, and recieved christ as my Lord on my knees, and that has nothing to do with water praise the Lord.

yes the ritual work of getting in the water was work on the pastor, but the real spiritual work and the baptism that counted for the kingdom of God and that made me saved heaven bound for everlasting life began on my knees on the alter when I gave my life to christ with my heart.

I agree every real born again christian should be water baptized just like I believe every real christian should go to church read the bible, wittness,help the needy, do good works,pray for people and etc, but none of these thing should be the qualification to get brownie points to heaven or to become a christian or work your way to christ.

Most religious people think this is the way to get salvation which is work and people try to use the outward flesh man to please God.

I praise God that faith is an in side job that begins from the heart and not from the outside like most rituals and religious traditions.

I teach as an full time Evangelist that water baptism is the symbol of what happen in our hearts soiritually which other can not see, but of course no way does water baptism saves or is a part of being saved or an added addition of salvation.

Recieving Christ and His blood is the key and finished gift of eternal life in belief.

John 3:16

God Bless

 

[cbk]

Evangelist, I pleases me to no end that you decided to be baptized by water in accordance to God's plan. But, it would seem, that you believe that water baptism is ONLY symbolic of you dying to sin. Only symbolic that you were born again, free from your covenant with sin and death. Maybe this is because you were taught that by man?

But, nonetheless, you bring up some points that warrant consideration. You have mentioned that water baptism is difficult work, and, if I am reading you correctly, some of these thoughts have come your way through a preacher who, not only states it is difficult work, but who professes that it is meaningless and wishes it were different. Sadly, when it comes to many laws, rules, and regulations, when man is dissatisified with them, they want them changed... Some go as far as to create change. Therefore, I am not surprised, with what you have told me, that the same holds true with man and water baptism. They do not like it; they desire to change it. But let no man change what God has ordained!

I have reposted the following in the hopes that you will understand water baptism. Please note that I believe that most are taught the Gospel INCORRECTLY; that water baptism has lost its meaning due to the words and actions of other men who feel the way it seems your preacher feels. Your feelings toward Christ when you heard the good news is awesome, indeed! But, it would seem that the Gospel, according to scripture, directs these feelings into something MORE meaningful... To enter a covenant relationship with God, through Christ, in water baptism. For, despite the feelings you had while on your knees praying, scripture still states that you are in your sins... That you are still LEGALLY alive to sin and that you are now prepare to respond in such a way as to LEGALLY DIE to these sins, so that you can LEGALLY (in the eyes of GOD) enter a relationship with a new love, Christ Jesus.

This illustration is of marriage and slavery and after reading this, I encourage you to read Romans 6 and Romans 7 to see if this is not true. God Bless...

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No one is born into the kingdom of God. Of this there should be little doubt. We are, on the contrary, born into the world of sin, the foothold of Satan. As we grow from childhood to adulthood, sin enters our lives of our own accord, and we, therefore, willingly become slaves to sin and are bound in an UNHOLY marriage to it. We are, thus, both slaves and spouses to sin. Concubines, if you will.

Now, with the exception of Christ Jesus, who walked upon this earth with NO SIN, we have all become legally bound to Satan and are appointed to die and suffer with him, for the reward of sin is death.

However, God in his love and mercy, allowed for our sins to be thrown upon Jesus, the perfect one who walked this earth. God allowed this to happen and so it did happen. And Christ Jesus died for these sins… Not just my sins, or the sins of a select few… But ALL the sins of the whole world were thrust upon Jesus.

The sacrifice was made, but the marriage continued. For, if the marriage for ALL were broken at the moment Christ died, would not the WHOLE WORLD be saved? But, from scripture, we know the whole world was not saved, therefore, the marriage continued.

I believe we all understand that, in order for us to break the LEGAL binds of the first marriage that we have entered, we must DIE to IT. We must die to sin and, therefore, we are free from its law. And, with this freedom, we are able to enter a marriage with another. Our marriage choices are twofold: we can either enter a covenant relationship with Christ Jesus or we can return to our FIRST love. We can’t have it both ways; Christ Jesus will not become married to an adulteress.

Now, HOW exactly one individual DIES to his/her marriage to sin is the topic of debate.

Many will state that it occurs when we first believe. This is a good statement, but one that is somewhat incomplete. For, if you state that salvation happens when we first BELIEVE, then a question arises that MUST BE addressed…. Believe in what?

Does one have to believe ONLY that Christ died for sins? I think Satan knows as much and it is not to his credit.

Does one have to believe that Christ died for HIS/HER personal sins? This is a good step. But still, such an individual is, by law, bound to his/hers FIRST marriage to sin and death – for sin in this individual’s life has not been put to death, nor has the individual died. All that should be taking place is that the individual DESIRES to be free from that which is legally binding.

The concubine, at one time, did not desire to be free – because she did not hear that there was something better. She accepted her position. But now, upon hearing that there is a possibility for a far better life (a life with Christ), the concubine now DESIRES to be free. But, does such a DESIRE free one’s self from the unholy marriage? No, for a death must occur either to the concubine or to sin.

Now, it stands to reason from scripture, that it is the concubine’s death that must occur first, for sin will not die BEFORE the concubine. Sin has a longevity that far exceeds that of one in the flesh. It has been here since the times of Adam and will continue until it is judged before the white throne. The Word is heard, the knowledge takes its foothold, the desire grows, the groaning and weeping begins, the repenting of the mistake takes place, but the marriage LEGALLY continues. Death has not occurred.

God sets forth a way for the concubine to die. And not just die, but to be born again, to live in newness of life! To be alive and enter a legal marriage with another – with Christ Jesus. My friends, this takes place in baptism of water. All that is before water baptism are attributes of a concubine with the willingness and the new desire to escape the legal bonds of an unholy marriage. All that is after water baptism is living in the faith that God will keep his promise to recognize her first death to sin and recognize her second marriage to Christ Jesus – this is the new faith – the hope that God will keep his promises, although there is NO evidence that this is true. The point between the BEFORE and AFTER is water baptism -- which is the willing submission to DIE through God's ordained gift of water baptism.

There is a time for everything under the sun. A time to be born and a time to die. How wonderful that these can take place, by the grace and will of God, at the same time! Scripture is clear: the time is during baptism of water or upon the actual, physical death of an individual. How blessed the concubine that dies through the waters of baptism. Then she can FREELY say that ‘I have died to sin’. How cursed the concubine that tarries.

Meaningless, meaningless, is this first life. But of all the books that have been written, only one thing is of count. And that is to fear God and keep his commandments. Especially the command, as spoken through the Christ and his disciples, to die in the waters of baptism and arise in newness of life, to live in Christ in a marriage that is most holy.

 

[evangelist]

Hello cbk

You have said one thing very true is about the way we are taught is one of the reason why we believe what we do.
for example a muslim or an Mormon, and even jhW and Catholics believe the way they do because of religious teachings or tradition carried down by religious men and religious traditions and logical ritual like water baptism which most religious try to kill the spiritual born again life with the ritual of logical water baptism using the outward man as an replacement for the spiritual man , and the new born heart.

The kingdom of God is based on the invisible things and not on the natural things five sense of this fleshly world.
The new born again life is about being saved in the heart not saved by water or an ritual and tradition but alone by the faith and grace of Christ.
We are instantly saved as soon as we repent of our sins by the heart and mouth and the blood of Christ is that which instantly made us righteous.
Ro:5:19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Notice that the word made is mention for sinners and saints or as you call us concubine
but this word made is meaning already done, and not a work that haqs to become like become saved and becoime repentance in the ritual of water baptism.
I have read your Roman 6 and 7 so please take the time and you read the whole chapter of Rom 5and 8 so that you can made understand what the cross did for us 2000 tears ago and learn also about what a gift is and learn how we are justify and righteous before God already before any water baptism also in rom 8 you will get the whole spiritual salvation message about why the natural water baptism can't mix with the spiritual, or why the natural things are not with the spiritual.
You mention about how you think man has put down the water baptism in your logics but maybe you need to think is the problem is that we have the differences because one person is looking at the water baptism naturally and theologically, and me and other spiritual led teachers and pastors teach the symbolic water baptism spiritually.
The bible mentions about this by saying this.
1Co:2:4: And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co:2:5: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co:2:6: Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co:2:7: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co:2:8: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co:2:9: But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co:2:12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co:2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co:2:16: For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

1Co:1:17: For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co:1:19: For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co:1:20: Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co:1:21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co:1:22: For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co:1:23: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co:1:24: But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co:1:25: Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co:1:26: For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co:1:27: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co:1:28: And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:


If God can open your heart to these verse and give you spiritual eyes and an spiritual understanding this will let you understand the gospel we preach, and teach biblically and in the will of Christ our Lord.

God Bless