Is baptism necessary to be saved?

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Just checking to see how it ended up... I haven't been here since serpt 15th. It ended about a week later.
Besides, people will not change just by stating this or that. Once people stand firm in their beleifes, they will not waver, only God can change that.

I for one beleive that baptism is not necessary for salvation, and I will never stop beleiveing that. If someone wants to know why I beleive it, I will answer and state my reasoning. If they disagree, then so be it, if they ask more detailed questions, I will answer. I will not force my beliefes on others or say they are wrong. I spent my last couple weeks here telling the people who debating to jsut let it go.

If you were here, you would understand.... read a few of the posts... or all... or don't...

Peace n Godbless

 

[onewarrior]

Just checking to see how it ended up... I haven't been here since serpt 15th. It ended about a week later.
Besides, people will not change just by stating this or that. Once people stand firm in their beleifes, they will not waver, only God can change that.

I for one beleive that baptism is not necessary for salvation, and I will never stop beleiveing that. If someone wants to know why I beleive it, I will answer and state my reasoning. If they disagree, then so be it, if they ask more detailed questions, I will answer. I will not force my beliefes on others or say they are wrong. I spent my last couple weeks here telling the people who debating to jsut let it go.

If you were here, you would understand.... read a few of the posts... or all... or don't...

Peace n Godbless

Why do you state your beliefs at all?

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

It's my job as a christian to spread the gospell. However, I wait for open doors... I consider someone asking me a question about God an open door... I will never impose my beleifes on someone else.

 

[TruthPreacher]

It's my job as a christian to spread the gospell. However, I wait for open doors... I consider someone asking me a question about God an open door... I will never impose my beleifes on someone else.

Preaching is imposing a belief on someone else. We are commanded to disciple not to ask if they would like to accept the Good News. We are to tell them wether they like it or not.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

We are toact loving. You are correct, but your attitude is not.

 

[cybermaxx12]

I'm reminded of instances when Jesus told people of God. To the woman at the well he witnessed to her in a more round about way. And to another person he said everthing straight forward. God will provide a way to witness to people. When he provides an oppertunity take advantage of it. When one says I would go up to a stranger on the street and tell them of the good news and another says I would witness to someone when the oppertunity is clear. It is not a right and a wrong it is two different ways. If I hand out tracks or if I am on a subway and see someone reading a track and seize the oppertunity to talk to them about it did I do something wrong in either case?

 

[Polycarp1]

ArchAngel, I agree in principle with you but disagee in detail.

God will save whom He will save, and there's no use our arguing about it.

To take the extreme example, I think we'd get a consensus around here that repentance is generally necessary for the forgiveness of sins. But, speaking of the men who were engaged in crucifying Him, Jesus Christ on the Cross prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." And if that prayer of all prayers were not answered, then we should all go out and seek pleasure however we choose, for we would all be doomed anyway.

Now, it's pretty clear that whenever anyone hears the Gospel after the Resurrection, their first question is, "What must I do to be saved?" And the standard answer is, "Repent and be baptized."

IMHO, that means two things are incumbent on us in responding to the Lord's offer of grace -- and they're specified. You don't get baptized in order to get saved -- you get baptized in response to the Lord's command, because you are saved by Him. To find any other reading in this seems to me to be saying, "Well, Jesus, I'll accept Your offer -- but I'm going to be my own Master, and do what I want to, not what You command."

 

[Christi]

I believe there is nothing we can DO to be saved. It's already been done by Christ, through no effort of our own. There are many things we can and should DO to be obedient, after we recognize that. But saving ourselves, through any act of our own, is not one of them.

 

[evangelist]

ArchAngel, I agree in principle with you but disagee in detail.

God will save whom He will save, and there's no use our arguing about it.

To take the extreme example, I think we'd get a consensus around here that repentance is generally necessary for the forgiveness of sins. But, speaking of the men who were engaged in crucifying Him, Jesus Christ on the Cross prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." And if that prayer of all prayers were not answered, then we should all go out and seek pleasure however we choose, for we would all be doomed anyway.

Now, it's pretty clear that whenever anyone hears the Gospel after the Resurrection, their first question is, "What must I do to be saved?" And the standard answer is, "Repent and be baptized."

IMHO, that means two things are incumbent on us in responding to the Lord's offer of grace -- and they're specified. You don't get baptized in order to get saved -- you get baptized in response to the Lord's command, because you are saved by Him. To find any other reading in this seems to me to be saying, "Well, Jesus, I'll accept Your offer -- but I'm going to be my own Master, and do what I want to, not what You command."

I know the two thing to do is to repent and get born again which is the spiritual baptism which counts for God.

I agree with Christi.

many Christian are trying to get saved religiously, and by an effort of some kind of work to qualify for God.

It is so easy and graceful that many can`t accept God`s way to get saved, they rather do it the way man made religion has instructed.


God Bless

 

[PreacherJoe]

It's Jesus plus nothing and minus nothing. I believe in Faith alone for salvation. But I would say that in the NewTestament times there was no such thing as an unbaptized christian. Consider Pentecost when there were 3000 souls who accepted the word of the apostles concerning Christ and they were all baptized. The Ethiopian eunuch was also immediately baptized. I would question the true faith of a person who would refuse to submit to believers baptism. The great commission is threefold if you read Mat. 28:18-20 We are to preach the gospel as he said also in Mark 16:15 but we are also to baptize those who accept the truth of the gospel and then we are to disciple or teach them and that is where the importance of the church comes in. A church should be making disciples of her members. Teaching is a great ministry. I had better quit preaching here....

 

[pentecostal girl]

Is baptism necessary to be saved?



I would just like to know what everyone thinks on this subject. Do you have to be baptized before you are saved? If not, where does salvation come? I already have my mind made up, and will let you know after I read your thoughts. Thanks.

In my doctrine baptism is not necessary. We encourage baptism, but we don't feel it is required to become a christian. We use baptism as symbol. When you being baptised your letting God know that your dedicating you whole self to him.

 

[4thwatcher]

Salvation is a gift from God & it is by grace through faith.

Ephesians 2
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

having said that, i knew nobody in the NT who is saved without going through the process of baptism other than the man who was crucified together with Christ and the woman in Luke 7:50.

Luke 23
43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

Luke 7:50
Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

what i knew is everybody who have heared the good news is baptized either straightaway or subsequently.


Acts 2:41
Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 8:13
Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.

Acts 8:36
As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"[ 8:36 Some late manuscripts baptized?" 37 Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." The eunuch answered, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."]

Acts 8:38
And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

Acts 18:8
Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized.


There are still many NT verses affirming what i've just shared. unless there are others other than the crucified man crucified with Christ and the woman on Lk 7:50 who received salvation without being baptized, then, baptism remains to play an important role on man's salvation.

Acts 2

38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[aggie03]

I'm confused, 4thwatcher. You said that you think it's important - but do you believe that baptism is necessary?

 

[Aaron11]

Baptism is good.

 

[4thwatcher]

I'm confused, 4thwatcher. You said that you think it's important - but do you believe that baptism is necessary?

aggie03, yup... i do believe that baptism is necessary for salvation.: ACTS 2:38; Mark 15:16

 

[evangelist]

But what baptism count for God and His kingdom, the heart baptism which i done spritiually or the out water baptism which is done for the natural eye??

I think everyone should get baptized in their christian walk but not to make water baptism the qualification to be able to walk or to start to walk.

In our love walk if we are really born again we should get water baptized , just like we should join and be a part of a church and go to a church and have a relationship with other christians.

I think water baptism should be done by every christian and it is a witness that you are really saved, but I`ve been baptized three time because my heart wasn`t right , i did all the right outward religious works and still live a sinful life .
So I went down in the water a dry sinner and came out a wet sinner, and this is why i see from experience water baptism doesn`t save anybody it is the change and renew heart that counts, and a will to serve the Lord, or better to say a choice to follow Jesus with a consecrated life.



my formular is believe+repent= Saved.

Then the Love walk or the fruits of being saved is baptism in the Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, bible study and teaching and instruction why we should get water baptized and then do the water baptism, and lead other to become disciple with witnessing, and of course the love relationship with Jesus personally.



God Bless

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

In my doctrine baptism is not necessary. We encourage baptism, but we don't feel it is required to become a christian. We use baptism as symbol. When you being baptised your letting God know that your dedicating you whole self to him.

have you read

1cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jew or Gentile, whether we are bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Romans 8:9 b Now if any man have not the Spirit from Christ, he is none of His

1 cor 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit

 

[pentecostal girl]

have you read

1cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jew or Gentile, whether we are bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Romans 8:9 b Now if any man have not the Spirit from Christ, he is none of His

1 cor 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit

ummm...what are you trying to prove, I'm confused

 

[aggie03]

aggie03, yup... i do believe that baptism is necessary for salvation.: ACTS 2:38; Mark 15:16

I agree Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 are some of the very important verses that help to show that.

 

[aggie03]

Evangelist - I'm glad that you've contributed to the thread . I thought that we could go through your post and I'd ask questions where there's something I don't understand or point out where I disagree and why.

But what baptism count for God and His kingdom, the heart baptism which i done spritiually or the out water baptism which is done for the natural eye??

What is this heart baptism that you've mentioned? Can you show me a place in the Scriptures where it mentions a 'heart baptism'?

I think everyone should get baptized in their christian walk but not to make water baptism the qualification to be able to walk or to start to walk.

I believe that God is the one who lays out the conditions for which we might be saved; we cannot define the conditions for our salvation only read what God has said they are.

Also, while I believe that baptism is necessary for one's salvation, I don't think that it's necessarily the first step of one's 'walk'. It all depends on how we define what you've called 'walk'. I'm going to call one's walk their entire spiritual experience or journey. So from the very beginning of one's ability to comprehend that there is a God they are on their 'walk'. In this case, the beginning of one's 'walk' is with hearing the word of God. Romans 10:17 tells us that our faith comes from hearing the word of God. This faith, however, is not the only condition that God has laid out for our salvation.

In our love walk if we are really born again we should get water baptized , just like we should join and be a part of a church and go to a church and have a relationship with other christians.

This is really the issue that we're discussing at the most basic level. In John 3:5 we find the following:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

I believe that in this statement we find that one cannot be "born again" without being baptized. This same idea is expressed in Romans 6:3,4 :

3 Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

The way that we are united with Christ's death is through baptism. As Christ was then raised by the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. What is newness of life if not a rebirth?

I think water baptism should be done by every christian and it is a witness that you are really saved, but I`ve been baptized three time because my heart wasn`t right , i did all the right outward religious works and still live a sinful life .

I think that we both agree that just being baptized does not make someone saved. There are other things that have to go along with that. Jesus tells us in Luke 13:3,5 that we also have to repent of our sins. This is also echoed by Peter in Acts 2:38 in which he says that we must both repent and be baptized for the remission of our sins. So while baptism is necessary for our salvation, it's not the only thing that must be done.

So I went down in the water a dry sinner and came out a wet sinner, and this is why i see from experience water baptism doesn`t save anybody it is the change and renew heart that counts, and a will to serve the Lord, or better to say a choice to follow Jesus with a consecrated life.

Well, nothing that we can do is capable of saving ourselves, not even renewing our heart as you have stated. The only thing that saves us is the grace of God. The question that we must answer with the Scriptures is "What has God said is necessary for us to receive His saving grace?"

my formular is believe+repent= Saved.

I believe that the Scriptures show us that we must first hear the word of God, then believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. After this we must be convicted of our sins and repent of them. We must also confess Christ and finally be baptized, immersed in water, for the remission of our sins. All of these things are necessary and none can be ommitted - including baptism .

Then the Love walk or the fruits of being saved is baptism in the Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, bible study and teaching and instruction why we should get water baptized and then do the water baptism, and lead other to become disciple with witnessing, and of course the love relationship with Jesus personally.

I really won't get into the discussion about spiritual gifts now because that's an entirely different thread. I think, though, that we've had a very good exchange up to this point, and I sincerely look forward to hearing back from you .