Is baptism necessary to be saved?

[Aaron11]

I hope you are joking. Are you really going to argue that it isn't a public profession of faith?

How about this for a description, "a manifestation of faith". Does that float your boat? Here is my logic, and no I will not give you a scripture. Since baptism is obedience in faith, it is faith put into action. Therefore it is a manifestation of faith. Get it?

About the public profession, baptism and confession go hand in hand and I am pretty sure that it is a public profession to be baptized when people are watching. Wouldn't your common sense tell you this?

And wait, no I am not saying that baptism is ONLY a pubic profession of faith, but it surely is that. I understand that baptism is also symbolic of stuff, etc.

For everyone's sanity, including yours, please don't argue that baptism is not a manifestation of faith. Even arguing that it is not a public profession of faith is arguing against all reality and practicality and is pushing it.

Read please Aggie03.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

No one could be saved without the grace of God. Agreed.
But God's grace has been extended to all men (Titus.2:11): yet all men will not be saved (Matt.7:13-14). Therefore, there are other factors involved in man's salvation besides grace.

Obedience is also required (Heb.5:9). Believers were commanded to repent and be baptized for the remission (forgiveness) of sins in Acts 2:38.

So tell me why is there Hebrews 12:5-11???

its called displine.....

Romans 8:1 There is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ.

by the way that is the whole verse the rest is added no greek words just added in by who ever translated it pull out your interlinear it is very clear....

 

[evangelist]

So tell me why is there Hebrews 12:5-11???

its called displine.....

Romans 8:1 There is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ.

by the way that is the whole verse the rest is added no greek words just added in by who ever translated it pull out your interlinear it is very clear....

AMEN!

 

[Florida College]

But they were taught the good news of Christ and the blood of Jesus , and the resurrection of Christ, this was the gospel which was preached not baptism.

notice after the good new was preach , then the eunuch requested to be baptized.

Here is what Acts 8:35-39 clearly tells us: Philip "preached Jesus" - - no details of his teaching are given - - but the fact remains that all vs. 35 says is that Philip "preached Jesus." This is what we can determine for sure: "preaching Jesus" included teaching about baptism. After Philip preached Jesus, the first thing the eunuch says in response is to ask about being baptized. It is implied or infered that when Philip preached Jesus he taught on baptism.

He requested a water baptism which was already known by John the baptist. John's baptism is not the same as the baptism that puts one into Christ - Acts 8:24-26 & 19:1-5.

I did mean Rom 10:9 and also rom 10:10 it does include your heart as well.

Notice in Romans it didn`t mention about a water baptism to be saved.

True. It doesn't. But it doesn't mention repentance - - and repentance is necessary for salvation - Luke 13:3,5, ; Acts 2:38 ; and Acts 17:30. Rom.10:9-10 stresses that confession and faith are necessary for salvation. It does not say that confession and faith ONLY are necessary for salvation. From the previously mentioned scriptures, we learn that repentance is necessary. We also learn from Mk.16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, & 1 Pet.3:20-21 that baptism is also necessary. Combining the requirements that we have looked at gives us the complete picture of what is necessary for initial salvation: faith, repentance, confession, & baptism.

You said:No. According to Mk.16:16, faith is a requirement before baptism. According to Acts 2:38, repentance is a requirement before baptism. And, according to Matt.10:32-33, Rom.10:9, and Acts 8:35-39, confession is a requirement before baptism. Babies cannot meet these requirements, therefore they are not candidates for scriptural baptism.

Additional consideration: Babies have no sins to be saved from. Sin is not an inherited trait (Ezek.18:17-20).

I am glad you mention this about the infant baptism which some religions and people believe a infant is saved by their infant baptism, AMEN.

Now if we can understand and grow together on this baptism topic that it does not have to be an water baptism to be saved and have salvation, we will be pleasing the Lord together.

We still do not share a common understanding of baptism. The baptism that puts one into Christ is not the baptism of John. The baptism that is required by the Lord is a baptism in water - - Acts 10:47-48, 1 Pet.3:20-21, & John 3:3-5 (the new birth takes place in baptism - Rom.6:3-11).

God Bless

 

[aggie03]

Don't tell me what view point I presented unless you are willing to quote me. The fact is, you are knocking down a straw man. I obviously don't believe that (just look at my posts), and so I don't defend it.

The point was made by another u ser on here that baptism is nothing other than a public profession of faith. Directly after this statement was made, you started to defend what they said. Your actions are giving credence to their belief. If you do not believe that baptism is just a profession of faith, then I suggest that you read the posts of other users more carefully before you start to defend their viewpoint. Trust me, I was not not knocking down a straw man - you need to be very careful about the things you say on here, they can be taken many ways unless you are tedious in making sure you present yourself clearly.

 

[aggie03]

So tell me why is there Hebrews 12:5-11???

its called displine.....

Romans 8:1 There is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ.

by the way that is the whole verse the rest is added no greek words just added in by who ever translated it pull out your interlinear it is very clear....

I'm glad that you've brought this verse up A brethren. I believe that you fail to see my point of view, and the view of some of my brethren, clearly. In saying that we believe baptism, immersion in water, for the remission of sins is necessary for one's salvation - this means that we don't believe you are IN CHRIST until you have been baptized. So, from this perspective, the verse you have posted is meaningless to you unless you have been baptized.

Does that help at all?

 

[Aaron11]

The point was made by another u ser on here that baptism is nothing other than a public profession of faith.

Wrong. Find it and quote it.

Directly after this statement was made, you started to defend what they said. Your actions are giving credence to their belief. If you do not believe that baptism is just a profession of faith, then I suggest that you read the posts of other users more carefully before you start to defend their viewpoint.

Riiight.

Trust me, I was not not knocking down a straw man - you need to be very careful about the things you say on here, they can be taken many ways unless you are tedious in making sure you present yourself clearly.

Ok, I will trust you this time. OK, I will be careful not to correct you too harshly anymore. Everyone makes silly mistakes.

 

[aggie03]

It's not about you correcting me at all - I make mistakes, I admit that. I just wish you would, too.

I, however, am not mistaken in what I have just said. You are giving credence to a belief that you do not hold yourself. You need to be careful about what you say.

 

[Aaron11]

It's not about you correcting me at all - I make mistakes, I admit that. I just wish you would, too.

I, however, am not mistaken in what I have just said. You are giving credence to a belief that you do not hold yourself. You need to be careful about what you say.

Reading comprehension is your friend. Seriously, if you still think that I wrote that, or that someone else did that I supported, show me. I have shown you a quote of mine that directly contradicted your accusation. Show me where I said this and I will be satisfied. You say that you are not mistaken, so prove it.

 

[evangelist]

Hello Florida College and those who believe in water baptism saves


Take a look at this!

But they were taught the good news of Christ and the blood of Jesus , and the resurrection of Christ, this was the gospel which was preached not baptism.

notice after the good news was preach , then the eunuch requested to be baptized.

Here is what Acts 8:35-39 clearly tells us: Philip "preached Jesus" - - no details of his teaching are given - - but the fact remains that all vs. 35 says is that Philip "preached Jesus." This is what we can determine for sure: "preaching Jesus" included teaching about baptism. After Philip preached Jesus, the first thing the eunuch says in response is to ask about being baptized. It is implied or infered that when Philip preached Jesus he taught on baptism.


I disagree with you about the teaching of a John the baptist baptism , because when you read this in Context the Chapter explained exactly what the teaching was from Philip , and not a water baptism course.
Notice Eunuch was reading from the scriptures already, and it was not about a water baptism notice in verse 32.
Ac:8:32: The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Ac:8:33: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

in verse 35 shows that Philip continue with the scripture and topic of the person Jesus Christ who was the slaughtered Lamb, and this is the gospel of Jesus .
Also just for reference next time you try to debate or use these verses to back up oyur water outward baptism , think about Eunuch was already reading the scripture so he did know about the John the baptist baptism, and many other rituals , and laws, but he didn`t know about the death burial and resurrection of Christ and that Jesus saves, and repentance through the blood of Jesus making us righteous saints instantly.
If water baptism was taught to Eunuch , then eunuch would have been a bad student who couldn`t learn good or remember the message , because Eunuch has asked in verse 36 a question about baptism.
Now if a person is taught to do a commandment , I wouldn`t ask something I must do, it would have just been done, but this was not the case here what you try to claim and add on to the story.
John the baptist was a custom most everybody knew about and a religious work that should be done sooner or latter.

Even Eunuch knew about commandments and not to ask a question about a commandment that should be done.
Look at verse 38 he commanded the chariot to stand still and it did ,and no one asked a question is it ok to stop the chariot, or the driver did say can I stop, he did the order without any questioning.
So i am saying all this to prove biblically water baptism was in no way taught to Eunuch by Philip, or the topic even brought up by Philip.
So do you see your error in this now????


He requested a water baptism which was already known by John the baptist. John's baptism is not the same as the baptism that puts one into Christ - Acts 8:24-26 & 19:1-5.

I did mean Rom 10:9 and also rom 10:10 it does include your heart as well.

Notice in Romans it didn`t mention about a water baptism to be saved.

True. It doesn't. But it doesn't mention repentance - - and repentance is necessary for salvation - Luke 13:3,5, ; Acts 2:38 ; and Acts 17:30. Rom.10:9-10 stresses that confession and faith are necessary for salvation. It does not say that confession and faith ONLY are necessary for salvation. From the previously mentioned scriptures, we learn that repentance is necessary. We also learn from Mk.16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, & 1 Pet.3:20-21 that baptism is also necessary. Combining the requirements that we have looked at gives us the complete picture of what is necessary for initial salvation: faith, repentance, confession, & baptism.


Yes repentance is a part of salvation , but it is from the heart not from the outward flesh body.
Repentance is a turning around , a change going the other direction.
2Cor 5:17
my bible says with the confession with the heart, and belief in Christ will make you saved past tence.
the salvation message is in the next verse 10 in Romnam!0 where the confession and repentance is made to salvation.

You said:No. According to Mk.16:16, faith is a requirement before baptism. According to Acts 2:38, repentance is a requirement before baptism. And, according to Matt.10:32-33, Rom.10:9, and Acts 8:35-39, confession is a requirement before baptism. Babies cannot meet these requirements, therefore they are not candidates for scriptural baptism.

Additional consideration: Babies have no sins to be saved from. Sin is not an inherited trait (Ezek.18:17-20).

I am glad you mention this about the infant baptism which some religions and people believe a infant is saved by their infant baptism, AMEN.

Now if we can understand and grow together on this baptism topic that it does not have to be an water baptism to be saved and have salvation, we will be pleasing the Lord together.

We still do not share a common understanding of baptism. The baptism that puts one into Christ is not the baptism of John. The baptism that is required by the Lord is a baptism in water - - Acts 10:47-48, 1 Pet.3:20-21, & John 3:3-5 (the new birth takes place in baptism - Rom.6:3-11).

I disagree with you that water has something to do with being saved.
To me this is another gospel and a gospel of working your way to get religious points to enter into the Kigdom of God and it is a doctrine and gospel which you claim which is cancelling out grace.
Because when there is a religious work involve it stops grace.

Ro:11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Jesus has specified that the kingdom of God is about a Spiritual Kingdom and not about the outward flesh, and outward works.
This is why Jesus said in verse 3 in John 3 about being born again to enter the Kingdom, and we all know that God is a Spirit and we know God doesn`t like in a natural kingdom, He is in a Spiritual Kingdom and there is spiritual laws and directions.
Jesus again makes it clear that the new born saved life is all about the spiritual life when you read verse 6 -8 you can see this and a water baptism of any kind is of the natural life which Jesus is not explaining and teaching.
Jesus was trying to teach on the things you can see, and He used wind as an example, but the wind is still there.
if you try to say the water in John 3:5 is about a baptism then Jesus is contraditing Himself , by mixing the natural with the spiritual and this is not the case.
Faith is also spiritual, and we need to be born again spiritually by using faith to believe in the Spiritual birth which Jesus has taught , "But" first you have to have faith to make the Spiritual work and how is this done ? You have to have the Word of God, which is the water or the bread , the food, and faith come by the Word of God Rom10:17.

Now ask yourself a question when does faith begin, and can you say when a person first use faith he or she is born into faith???

When a baby is born isn`t one of the first thing is for a baby to be born into or learned to live by getting water or milk from the mother breast, or is the most important thing is to first get the baby baptized as soon as it come out the womb???

What I am saying here is first don`t feed the infant with natural food or give breast feeding or natural food of any kind just waith as soon as possible first get a water baptism.

Do you understand what I am saying here??

Have you or anyone seen when a baby has been born that a priest or pastor is there at the birth of a baby , and as soon as the baby come out they start baptizing the bible , so they can say the baby is born of water, do you really think Jesus meant this in verse 5????

You think about what I said and meditate with the verses and ask The Holy Spirit to reveal what Jesus was teaching about the Born again life of Christ.

Jas:1:5: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas:1:6: But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas:1:7: For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

If you or anyone is seekin the truth the Holy Spirit will show you the truth.


God Bless

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

I'm glad that you've brought this verse up A brethren. I believe that you fail to see my point of view, and the view of some of my brethren, clearly. In saying that we believe baptism, immersion in water, for the remission of sins is necessary for one's salvation - this means that we don't believe you are IN CHRIST until you have been baptized. So, from this perspective, the verse you have posted is meaningless to you unless you have been baptized.

Does that help at all?

But according to romans 8:9 if any man does not have the Spirit of Christ he is none of his.

so no discipline

but who gives the Spirit............1cor 12:13 by the Spirit not water

romans 8:1 no condemnation for those in Christ

 

[western kentucky]

Ro:11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

I do not have a lot of time to respond to the majority of your post, but I would like to address this point.

You argue against baptism because you say it is a work, therefore one is earning his salvation. There are several problems with this argument. First, who would actually think that the simple act of immersion would *earn* a person salvation. Second, baptism is an act of obediance in response to the command of God. Jesus commanded it (Mark 16:16), Peter commanded it (Acts 2:38; Acts 10:48), Ananias commanded it (Acts 22:16); It is a requirement for remission of sins. Third, baptism is not a work performed by one seeking salvation-it is performed upon him! When one is baptized he only submits to baptism, someone else does the work. And of course, it is not a work of boasting.

So, yes, baptism is a work, but it is not my work. It is an act God requires me to choose to do, but God is the one doing all the work at baptism. It is after baptism that I am saved, and my sins are washed away.

This is an article that I have found written by Rodes Davis

I hope this helps.....

Derek

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

belief ....no action

works ......any action doing something

 

[Florida College]

Hello Florida College and those who believe in water baptism saves

Take a look at this!

Here is what Acts 8:35-39 clearly tells us: Philip "preached Jesus" - - no details of his teaching are given - - but the fact remains that all vs. 35 says is that Philip "preached Jesus." This is what we can determine for sure: "preaching Jesus" included teaching about baptism. After Philip preached Jesus, the first thing the eunuch says in response is to ask about being baptized. It is implied or infered that when Philip preached Jesus he taught on baptism.

I disagree with you about the teaching of a John the baptist baptism , because when you read this in Context the Chapter explained exactly what the teaching was from Philip , and not a water baptism course.
Notice Eunuch was reading from the scriptures already, and it was not about a water baptism notice in verse 32.

I still beg to differ with your reasoning. In Acts 8, it is true that the eunuch was reading from Isaiah chapter 53 when Philip approached him. The text has this to say about what Philip taught: "And beginning at this Scripture [Isaiah 53:7-8], preached Jesus to him" (8:35). That verse plainly says Philip's teaching began with Isaiah 53, but it does not say that his teaching was limited to Isaiah 53.

Do you see a difference in the baptism of John and the baptism of Christ in Acts 19:1-5?

Ac:8:32: The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Ac:8:33: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

in verse 35 shows that Philip continue with the scripture and topic of the person Jesus Christ who was the slaughtered Lamb, and this is the gospel of Jesus .
Also just for reference next time you try to debate or use these verses to back up oyur water outward baptism , think about Eunuch was already reading the scripture so he did know about the John the baptist baptism, and many other rituals , and laws, but he didn`t know about the death burial and resurrection of Christ and that Jesus saves, and repentance through the blood of Jesus making us righteous saints instantly.

I will consider your point before using Acts 8:35-39 again. In fact, let's discuss your points now. We know that the eunuch was reading Isa.53:7-8 in Acts 8:32-33. And we know that "beginning at this scripture," Philip "preached Jesus to the eunuch (vs.35)." Where did you learn this expression: "repentance through the blood of Christ makes us righteous saints instantly?" Are you that that repentance is the sole requirement for salvation? I still wonder if you are confusing the baptism of John (a baptism of repentance) with the baptism of Christ.

If water baptism was taught to Eunuch , then eunuch would have been a bad student who couldn`t learn good or remember the message , because Eunuch has asked in verse 36 a question about baptism.
Now if a person is taught to do a commandment , I wouldn`t ask something I must do, it would have just been done, but this was not the case here what you try to claim and add on to the story.

We know for sure that Philip "preached Jesus" (vs.35). And it seems apparent that the eunuch heard that baptism was important enough for him to want to be baptized (in water) right then. I would not conclude from the text that the eunuch was a poor bible student. Rather, I conclude that he was eager to obey what he had been taught.

John the baptist was a custom most everybody knew about and a religious work that should be done sooner or latter.

I am assuming that you are still talking about the baptism of John. If so, the baptism of John is not required today (Acts 18:24-26 ; 19:1-50.

Even Eunuch knew about commandments and not to ask a question about a commandment that should be done.

How do you determine that it was inappropriate for the eunuch to ask a question? Did Philip rebuke him for his question? No, he did not!

Look at verse 38 he commanded the chariot to stand still and it did ,and no one asked a question is it ok to stop the chariot, or the driver did say can I stop, he did the order without any questioning.

You seem to be attempting to reason that no questions were allowed concerning what Philip taught. This is simply not true. The eunuch asked questions in verses 31,34, & 36. Philip even asks the eunuch a question in verse 30. There is no indication that the eunuch's questions were not appropriate.

So i am saying all this to prove biblically water baptism was in no way taught to Eunuch by Philip, or the topic even brought up by Philip.
So do you see your error in this now????

The passage in Acts 8:35-39 plainly says what you attempt to prove it doesn't. Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch. As a result of Philip's preaching, the eunuch desired to be baptized . . . in water. You are assuming that the eunuch learned about baptism previously, but there is nothing in the scriptures to justify this position!

Notice in Romans it didn`t mention about a water baptism to be saved.

True. It doesn't. But it doesn't mention repentance - - and repentance is necessary for salvation - Luke 13:3,5, ; Acts 2:38 ; and Acts 17:30. Rom.10:9-10 stresses that confession and faith are necessary for salvation. It does not say that confession and faith ONLY are necessary for salvation. From the previously mentioned scriptures, we learn that repentance is necessary. We also learn from Mk.16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, & 1 Pet.3:20-21 that baptism is also necessary. Combining the requirements that we have looked at gives us the complete picture of what is necessary for initial salvation: faith, repentance, confession, & baptism.

Yes repentance is a part of salvation , but it is from the heart not from the outward flesh body.

I still think you are confused over the baptism of John.

Repentance is a turning around , a change going the other direction.
2Cor 5:17
my bible says with the confession with the heart, and belief in Christ will make you saved past tence.
the salvation message is in the next verse 10 in Romnam!0 where the confession and repentance is made to salvation.

What is your understanding of faith - - what would faith prompt one to do who reads Mk.16:16, or Acts 2:38, or Acts 10:47-48, or Acts 22:16 - - would faith prompt one to obey the teaching - - or would faith prompt one to not obey the teaching? According to Heb.5:9, obedience is required.

You said:No. According to Mk.16:16, faith is a requirement before baptism. According to Acts 2:38, repentance is a requirement before baptism. And, according to Matt.10:32-33, Rom.10:9, and Acts 8:35-39, confession is a requirement before baptism. Babies cannot meet these requirements, therefore they are not candidates for scriptural baptism.

Additional consideration: Babies have no sins to be saved from. Sin is not an inherited trait (Ezek.18:17-20).

I am glad you mention this about the infant baptism which some religions and people believe a infant is saved by their infant baptism, AMEN.

Now if we can understand and grow together on this baptism topic that it does not have to be an water baptism to be saved and have salvation, we will be pleasing the Lord together.

We still do not share a common understanding of baptism. The baptism that puts one into Christ is not the baptism of John. The baptism that is required by the Lord is a baptism in water - - Acts 10:47-48, 1 Pet.3:20-21, & John 3:3-5 (the new birth takes place in baptism - Rom.6:3-11).

I disagree with you that water has something to do with being saved.

According to 1 Pet.3:20-21, a baptism in water does have something to do with salvation.

To me this is another gospel and a gospel of working your way to get religious points to enter into the Kigdom of God and it is a doctrine and gospel which you claim which is cancelling out grace.
Because when there is a religious work involve it stops grace.
Ro:11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Your points about grace and works were covered in post #460 on page 46. You did not respond to that post.

Jesus has specified that the kingdom of God is about a Spiritual Kingdom and not about the outward flesh, and outward works.
This is why Jesus said in verse 3 in John 3 about being born again to enter the Kingdom, and we all know that God is a Spirit and we know God doesn`t like in a natural kingdom, He is in a Spiritual Kingdom and there is spiritual laws and directions.

See John 18:36

Jesus again makes it clear that the new born saved life is all about the spiritual life when you read verse 6 -8 you can see this and a water baptism of any kind is of the natural life which Jesus is not explaining and teaching.
Jesus was trying to teach on the things you can see, and He used wind as an example, but the wind is still there.
if you try to say the water in John 3:5 is about a baptism then Jesus is contraditing Himself , by mixing the natural with the spiritual and this is not the case.

John 3:5 is about baptism. The spiritual significance of baptism is explained in Rom.6:3-11.

Faith is also spiritual, and we need to be born again spiritually by using faith to believe in the Spiritual birth which Jesus has taught , "But" first you have to have faith to make the Spiritual work and how is this done ? You have to have the Word of God, which is the water or the bread , the food, and faith come by the Word of God Rom10:17.

Now ask yourself a question when does faith begin, and can you say when a person first use faith he or she is born into faith???

When a baby is born isn`t one of the first thing is for a baby to be born into or learned to live by getting water or milk from the mother breast, or is the most important thing is to first get the baby baptized as soon as it come out the womb???

What I am saying here is first don`t feed the infant with natural food or give breast feeding or natural food of any kind just waith as soon as possible first get a water baptism.

Do you understand what I am saying here??

Have you or anyone seen when a baby has been born that a priest or pastor is there at the birth of a baby , and as soon as the baby come out they start baptizing the bible , so they can say the baby is born of water, do you really think Jesus meant this in verse 5????

[COLOR=DarkOrange]John 3:3 stresses the necessity of being born again.

Rom.6:3-11 discusses how the new birth takes place - - in baptism.

We discussed infant baptism in post #772 on page 78. I thought that we both agreed that it wasn't scripturally authorized.[/COLOR]

[i]You think about what I said and meditate with the verses and ask The Holy Spirit to reveal what Jesus was teaching about the Born again life of Christ.[/u][/i]

Jas:1:5: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas:1:6: But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas:1:7: For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

If you or anyone is seekin the truth the Holy Spirit will show you the truth.


God Bless[/QUOTE]

 

[western kentucky]

belief ....no action

works ......any action doing something

A brethren,

Maybe this verse will help you out....

John 6:28-29: Therefore they said to him, "what shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

A brethren,

Maybe this verse will help you out....

John 6:28-29: Therefore they said to him, "what shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

That's a great verse
we do nothing in our salvation....

God does it all.....

add in Romans 4:5 to compliement it

 

[Florida College]

That's a great verse
we do nothing in our salvation....

Does John 6:28-29 say that "we do nothing for salvation?" What is Jesus' response to the question, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" Is Jesus answer, Nothing, God does it all . . . God will give you faith . . . You don't have to do a thing?" Or is the answer, "believing in Jesus whom God sent is the work God would have you do?" (This is the answer that is found in vs.29)

God does it all.....

If it is true that God does it all, then we wouldn't have to believe that God sent Jesus. But according to vs.29, we must believe this. Faith is a conviction that a person develops when they examine the evidence (Rom.10:17).

add in Romans 4:5 to compliement it

Rom.4:5 does complement John 6:28-29. In Rom.4:5, works of the law of Moses do not result in salvation. In John 6:28-29, faith is the work that God requires. Faith drives one to obey the message of salvation through Jesus - - faith drove 3,000 Jews to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins in Acts 2:38,41.

 

[western kentucky]

John 6:28-29: Therefore they said to him, "what shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

 

[evangelist]

Hello Florida College

I think i have the right baptism which you claim I am talking about John baptism.
i say this because your doctrine and gospel is the use of H20 water in a ritual to come to repentance or water has to be a part to have salvation or be saved.
So what ever baptism of water you use is not included in our spiritual new birth ,and water baptism has nothing to do with being saved.

Baptism of water is a work is this correct???

We are not saved by a ritual work but we are saved by the blood of Jesus and repentance with our heart unto salvation.

What is confession mean to you and what is the fruit of a confession Florida College???

what let`s Jesus come into our hearts , the water baptism or our faith believing on Jesus as Lord and Savior???

I know you might say faith without works is dead , but isn`t using your mouth some kind of work when you confess disscribed in Rom 10:9,10????

Is using faith with your heart a work because you must trust , and believe with your heart????


My equation is belief +confess unto repentance by the blood odf Jesus = saved


Now after Saved in our christian walk is reading the bible getting understanding in God`s Word , Water baptism, going to church , fellowship with others, witnessing , helping others , obedience and working for your reward to do the will of God , and at the end you will be judge to recieve your crown or rewards, and God saying well done my faithful son.

Praise God!

AMEN

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

John 6:28-29: Therefore they said to him, "what shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

FC where does it say Man has to work....
.This is the work of God



Romans 4:5 But to him[humans] that worketh not but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.