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Aaron11 said:"I can't help but notice something about your postings - - you very seldom use scripture references. Why not?"-- Florida College
My response: If you find something that is in the scriptures that is contradictory, let me know. If not, then it shouldn't matter how many scriptural references I use, as long as I am right.
Aaron11 said:I did not say that. We can not save ourselves no matter what we do. Christ saves us by His grace when we believe on Him. When someone truly believes on Christ, they will follow His teachings. His teachings include baptism. Baptism is part of our obedience to Christ, however our obedience is not what pays for our salvation.
Are you asking if there will be people in heaven that were not baptized who lived in the NT? If it is fair and merciful, yes. If it is not fair and not merciful, then no. Personally, I believe that there will be at least some people who lived in NT times and weren't baptized by immersion that will be in heaven, but that is just because I think it is just and merciful. Since I know God is just and merciful, I try to guess what He will do according to those standards. However, we are not the ones who decide who is saved and who isn't, therefore my guess is as valuable as yours.
Aaron11 said:So, the conclusion to be drawn is...
Is baptism ABSOLUTELY necessary for every person who died after Christ did? Can not say yes for sure, can not say no for sure.
The apostles were to take the gospel to all the world. (Mark 16:15) In doing so, they were to teach, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." (Mk.16:16) They taught those who believed the teaching in Acts 2 to "repent and be baptized" (Acts 2:38). According to Acts 2:38, 10:48, & 22:16, baptism is commanded. Every person is required to obey this command of God. If not, why not?
Based on what I know about the character and nature of God, I draw my conclusions.
Perhaps, you will share with us your scriptural reasoning of your knowledge of the character and nature of God and why we don't have to necessarily obey his commands. I would like to understand better how this "pick and choose" process works. Surely you will help us?
Based on what you read from Luke in Acts and other letters, you draw your conclusions.
Another conclusion that is easy to draw is that Jesus said to be baptized. If we examine ourselves, we can tell whether or not we are truly converted to Christ by whether or not we are following such commands.
Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." In that verse, the teaching is that both belief and baptism are necessary for salvation. Jesus also said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." That is what Christians on this thread are trying to help those who seek God to understand. Hopefully, the interested bible student will now be able to see that your reasoning is scriptural based (assuming that this is your scriptural reasoning) and can be based on faith (Rom.10:17).
We are also told that if we don't repent that we shall all likewise perish (Luke 13:3,5). When Peter was preaching to the Jews on Pentecost in Acts 2 he told them that is was necessary to both repent AND to be baptized for the remission of their sins.xtxArchxAngelxtx said:"Every person is required to obey this command of God. If not, why not? "
The only unforgivable sin is blaspemy of the holy spirit, sorry, but that is not baptism.I break at least one commandment every day, am I going to tell for it? No.
There is a difference between sinning without conffession or remorse, and sinning but confessing and attempting to be sanctified.aggie03 said:So what if you don't confess your sins? What if you don't repent of your sins? Do you think that you will still be saved?
This would mean then, that everyone who was an unrepentant sinner would be saved. This is the logical conclusion of what you are presenting...perhaps I am not understanding you correctly...please explain, for my benefit.
Is it this belief that allows you to claim that those who are not baptized will not suffer the penalty for ignoring a condition of our salvation as established by God?
did you read vs 22 about their wonderful works and how that is the same works as the apostles that you listed in Mark 16:17 interestingheb12-2 said:Yes, God has done his part, but we must also do ours. If there is nothing required of us, then why isn't everyone saved?
Also, the cleansing that takes place in BAPTISM is the "operation of God" (Col. 2:12). That doesn't sound like a "works salvation" does it?
Right, "man can not work for their salvation". But that doesn't mean that obedience is not necessary.
You need to read Mt. 7:21 again. It says that those who enter heaven are those that "doeth the will" of the Father.
aggie03 said:We are also told that if we don't repent that we shall all likewise perish (Luke 13:3,5). When Peter was preaching to the Jews on Pentecost in Acts 2 he told them that is was necessary to both repent AND to be baptized for the remission of their sins.
While one may still yet sin and fall short, when they do they are to repent of that sin - to turn from it, to change their thought process about the matter at hand.
We cannot live in constant sin and hope that we will just be forgiven. Here are some scriptural examples of that:
1 John 1:9 ASV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 3:6-10
So you believe that God living inside of us would not Heb 12:6-12 and turn that christian around .... isn't he all powerful?ASV
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.7 My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous: 8 he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
I believe here that we're dealing with habbitual sin or one who commits the same sin habbitually. With this in mind, the one who habbitually sins does not find himself in a very good position.
So, in answer to your question, could you go to hell for your sins? Well, if they're not repented of, or if they're done habbitually - yes, yes you could.
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