Originally posted by Thunderchild
Baptism as a commandment means that something is added to the all sufficient sacrifice of Jesus. Baptism as a commandment means that something is added to salvation by faith alone.
Faith would be futile without the sacrifice of the messiah. (something has been added to salvation by faith alone already - the sacrifice of the messiah.)
The sacrifice of the messiah is of no benefit to a person who does not believe (something has been added to the all sufficient sacrifice of the messiah already - the need for faith.)
The only criticism raised against stating that baptism is a requirement? the concept violates the concept of the free and unconditional gift of salvation through faith. The fact is, it is not the doctrine of the requirement for baptism that is flawed, but the interpretation of "free and unconditional"
Originally posted by The Bible is Right
will someone help me? How do I type under quotes, I made a mistake in the above post, I was trying to comment on.
What I'm asking is how, if I wanted to quote you do I make the shaded areas then type under them?
Originally posted by LightBearer
[What really matters in the end is Baptism is an absolute requirement to become a christian. Jesus himelf commanded it at Matthew 28:18-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.
One of the taught things that were to be passed on infinitum was the command to Baptise
How important is it to be obedient to the lord. These words should have serious import for all christians. John 14:15; 20-21 If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; He that has my commandments and observes them, that one is he who loves me. In turn he that loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will plainly show myself to him.
And again. 1 John 5:1-4 Everyone believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and everyone who loves the one that caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one. By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God, when we are loving God and doing his commandments. For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome.
Obedience is better than sacrifice. Of this Christ was the greatest example. "More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death".] (Phil 2: 8)
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"What really matters in the end is Baptism is an absolute requirement to become a christian. "
I'm not so sure about that. He didn't seem to mention that in John 3. He only mentioned to believe. He talked about baptism, but it was of the spirit NOT of water.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"What really matters in the end is Baptism is an absolute requirement to become a christian. "
[I'm not so sure about that. He didn't seem to mention that in John 3. He only mentioned to believe. He talked about baptism, but it was of the spirit NOT of water.]
Originally posted by Azeotroper
I have a question. [ I know for sure that Church of Christ members believe baptism is itself salvific (if that's a word). What other denominations hold to this belief?]
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