Is atheism logical?

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes- I enjoy love, family, etc. too- very much. But eternity is so much longer- that is what I really want to make sure I am ready to embrace and enjoy.

To enjoy love, family, and so on, you have to do some pre-planning; think about the future. If it's important for the little things, is it not of fundamental importance for those things that have to do with your very existence? Do you really believe that life stops when you die?

Anyone can die at any time- a sudden car accident, a plane crash; and then it's too late to embrace God.

You're right! Praise Allah and the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
Thanks for showing me the light, SoJ

AVDZBetter to do it now- right now; anyone can turn their life over to Jesus in a flash. Repent, accept his sacrifice, and move through the rest of your life under His guidance. It is so easy. And yet so hard.

Why can't I go to Heaven otherwise? Is God incapable of allowing non-believers into his cloud castle, or is he too petty?

 

[UncleHermit]

Anyone can die at any time- a sudden car accident, a plane crash; and then it's too late to embrace God. Better to do it now- right now; anyone can turn their life over to Jesus in a flash. Repent, accept his sacrifice, and move through the rest of your life under His guidance. It is so easy. And yet so hard.

You make it sound as if I can simply say to myself "oh, okay, I'll believe in God now" and it will be so. You're missing the fact that nonbelievers are genuinely not convinced that there is a God to believe in.

 

[UncleHermit]

Wait a minute - when did this become an apologetics discussion? Isn't anyone going to give a reason why atheism is illogical (without commiting a logical fallacy themselves in the process, that is)?

 

[cantata]

Yes- I enjoy love, family, etc. too- very much. But eternity is so much longer- that is what I really want to make sure I am ready to embrace and enjoy.

Is your own salvation more important to you than your family?

To enjoy love, family, and so on, you have to do some pre-planning; think about the future. If it's important for the little things, is it not of fundamental importance for those things that have to do with your very existence?

Well, no. My very existence is now. I don't need to plan for it. The things I need to plan for are not 'little', as you so disparagingly call them; they are my future, my family, my loved ones, my dreams.

Do you really believe that life stops when you die?

Of course I do. If life didn't stop when I died, I wouldn't be dead, would I?

Anyone can die at any time- a sudden car accident, a plane crash; and then it's too late to embrace God.

Why? What a peculiar criterion for choosing who is worthy.

Better to do it now- right now; anyone can turn their life over to Jesus in a flash. Repent, accept his sacrifice, and move through the rest of your life under His guidance. It is so easy. And yet so hard.

Could you decide to stop believing in God and believing in Christ's sacrifice? If not, how can you expect me or anyone else to decide to start?

 

[solarwave]

Why can't I go to Heaven otherwise? Is God incapable of allowing non-believers into his cloud castle, or is he too petty?

Non-believers don't go to heaven not because God is being picky, but because heaven is perfect. All humans have sin and so going to heaven would make heaven not perfect. The reason 'believers' can go to heaven is because of what Jesus did on the cross, he took all the sin onto Him self, so we just have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

Wait a minute - when did this become an apologetics discussion? Isn't anyone going to give a reason why atheism is illogical (without commiting a logical fallacy themselves in the process, that is)?

Ok, well I suppose atheism isn't illogical, just like a bowl of bananas flying round pluto isnt illogical, its just very unlikely. I do think that it would take more faith to no believe in God if all the facts are layed out. Where did the universe come from and all its ''fine-tuning'' for life to be possible, and more?

 

[cantata]

we just have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

Why do we have to ask? Jesus expected us to forgive without being asked.

 

[Eudaimonist]

All humans have sin and so going to heaven would make heaven not perfect. The reason 'believers' can go to heaven is because of what Jesus did on the cross, he took all the sin onto Him self, so we just have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

And yet believers are not perfect. Not by a long shot. So how does forgiveness make them "perfect"?

This is supposed to be logical?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[UncleHermit]

Ok, well I suppose atheism isn't illogical, just like a bowl of bananas flying round pluto isnt illogical, its just very unlikely. I do think that it would take more faith to no believe in God if all the facts are layed out. Where did the universe come from and all its ''fine-tuning'' for life to be possible, and more?

This is just the same reasoning as the OP, which has been addressed several times.

 

[solarwave]

Why do we have to ask? Jesus expected us to forgive without being asked.

I don't really know real reason why, I'm not all knowing. But here my shoot at an answer. When one becomes a christian they become a 'new person in Christ' and that is why. The sins are washed away when one makes to choice to become 'new', I suppose its down to choice. People need the choice to believe in God, also the choice to go to heaven or not. May be a bad answer, may be good, o well.

And yet believers are not perfect. Not by a long shot. So how does forgiveness make them "perfect"?

Jesus took the sins on Himself, and sins are what make us not perfect. Forgiveness takes those sins away.

 

[cantata]

I don't really know real reason why, I'm not all knowing. But here my shoot at an answer. When one becomes a christian they become a 'new person in Christ' and that is why. The sins are washed away when one makes to choice to become 'new', I suppose its down to choice. People need the choice to believe in God, also the choice to go to heaven or not. May be a bad answer, may be good, o well.

Would you be able to choose to stop believing in God?

 

[Morcova]

And yet believers are not perfect. Not by a long shot. So how does forgiveness make them "perfect"?

This is supposed to be logical?


eudaimonia,

Mark

No, it's supposed to be religion.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Jesus took the sins on Himself, and sins are what make us not perfect. Forgiveness takes those sins away.

How can "sins" be transferred from one person to another? You make Jesus sound like a laundry detergent. Are "sins" a substance?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Non-believers don't go to heaven not because God is being picky, but because heaven is perfect. All humans have sin and so going to heaven would make heaven not perfect. The reason 'believers' can go to heaven is because of what Jesus did on the cross, he took all the sin onto Him self, so we just have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

As said before, since when were believers perfect?
EDIT: Ah, you've answered it:

Jesus took the sins on Himself, and sins are what make us not perfect. Forgiveness takes those sins away.

So, what, he only died for those who believed in him? Since when was an omnibenevolence so picky? If he loves us (as espoused by most Christians), why is he still willing to throw us into hell?

Ok, well I suppose atheism isn't illogical, just like a bowl of bananas flying round pluto isnt illogical, its just very unlikely. I do think that it would take more faith to no believe in God if all the facts are layed out.

Well, since there's no evidence or rationale for the existance of deities (if you think otherwise, please, present some), the logical stance is weak atheism: neither belief in the existance nor non-existance of deities.

Where did the universe come from and all its ''fine-tuning'' for life to be possible, and more?

Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying a diamond is fine-tuned for iron-ness if you find exactly one atom of iron in it. A tiny, tiny percentage of the Earth is alive, and a phenominally smaller percentage of the universe is alive (even if we account for possible extraterrestrial life).
So how, exactly, is anything fine-tuned for life?

A hole in the ground is not fine-tuned for the puddle that sits in it, but rather the puddle morphs to whatever shape the hole happens to be.

 

[anonymous1515]

Would you be able to choose to stop believing in God?

that's an interesting question. Blaise Pascal believed that one could force himself/herself into believing in God (hence Pascal's wager). Can one force him/herself to stop believing?

I don't think so.

I dunno: if I sit down and try really hard, can I force myself to believe that I have 12 fingers?

 

[DeathMagus]

Can one force him/herself to stop believing?

I don't think so.

I dunno: if I sit down and try really hard, can I force myself to believe that I have 12 fingers?

I think it's possible, but extremely unhealthy. The cognitive dissonance required is astounding.

 

[anonymous1515]

I think it's possible, but extremely unhealthy. The cognitive dissonance required is astounding.

Haha, yeah. Although I've seen people on these forums capable of much more amazing feats of cognitive dissonance than believing they have 12 fingers. So maybe I just answered my own question.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

Haha, yeah. Although I've seen people on these forums capable of much more amazing feats of cognitive dissonance than believing they have 12 fingers.

Like believing there is no God, right?

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Atheism to me is not at all Logical... and GOD is an eternal being, no beginning, no end!

Love in Jesus!

................what an intelligent, rational reply!

 

[TeddyKGB]

I think it's possible, but extremely unhealthy. The cognitive dissonance required is astounding.

Cognitive dissonance is not a conscious process.

 

[anonymous1515]

Like believing there is no God, right?

Haha, no. But there are some amazing opinions that people hold as to the message of God.