Is anybody that accepts "Christ" considered a "Christian"?

[Lulav]

Why am I having deja vu after reading through this thread? It reminds me of a poster awhile back we labeled spambot.....................

 

[aniello]

Why am I having deja vu after reading through this thread? It reminds me of a poster awhile back we labeled spambot.....................

I am having the same recollection as a matter of fact. We seem to be the receptacle for some rather unusual 'stuff'.

The truth will out, as it is said.

 

[ChavaK]

can you still call yourself a Christian if you lean toward the Messianic view that the Torah is still in effect? or does Christianity mean the "abolition" of the Torah? that is part of the reason why I can't sport an icon as of late, I don't know what to do.

My opinion, which maybe isn't worth much is that believing that the Torah is still in effect doesn't negate one calling oneself a Christian. If you accept that Jesus is the messiah, then you are a Christian. Observing Torah or not should not affect that.

 

[Lulav]

My opinion, which maybe isn't worth much is that believing that the Torah is still in effect doesn't negate one calling oneself a Christian. If you accept that Jesus is the messiah, then you are a Christian. Observing Torah or not should not affect that.

the basic tenets of Christianity are not accepting that Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah, but a savior from sin and that there was a New Covenant which didn't require following the Torah.

 

[Chaplain David]

My opinion, which maybe isn't worth much is that believing that the Torah is still in effect doesn't negate one calling oneself a Christian. If you accept that Jesus is the messiah, then you are a Christian. Observing Torah or not should not affect that.

I think that your opinion is worth a lot and what you say is true. Shalom.

 

[Lulav]

We will get tied up in terminology here so I'll try and be as inclusive as I can:

I do not believe that you can be a Christian / Messianic, in the true sense of the word, unless you attend a congregation / fellowship (Messianic or Christian) and are an active member of that community if you are able to be so (being housebound, or suffering from illness or having a disability may limit, or severely restrict, some people from being active members of the community)

Hah! Going to church or synagogue no more makes you a Christian/Messianic than standing in your garage makes you a car.
Many go for show, I've witnessed that for over 50 years.
You will be surprised one day to find that those who are truly of G-d were not the ones sitting in the pews, and they will be surprised also.

Lord, Lord, didn't I.....................?

 

[Chaplain David]

the basic tenets of Christianity are not accepting that Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah, but a savior from sin and that there was a New Covenant which didn't require following the Torah.

I love the Torah and find myself following it more than when I first began asking questions in the MJ Forum. I feel the same way about all of Scripture. But it is interesting what has happened to many of us with reference to embracing Torah. It also feels very natural, like a natural progression of faith. Shalom.

 

[Lulav]

I think that your opinion is worth a lot and what you say is true. Shalom.

according to our SOF it is effected, so this is going against what we believe here.

 

[Chaplain David]

according to our SOF it is effected, so this is going against what we believe here.

I see what you mean. Thank you. Shalom,

 

[Lady Bug]

the basic tenets of Christianity are not accepting that Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah, but a savior from sin and that there was a New Covenant which didn't require following the Torah.

My opinion, which maybe isn't worth much is that believing that the Torah is still in effect doesn't negate one calling oneself a Christian. If you accept that Jesus is the messiah, then you are a Christian. Observing Torah or not should not affect that.

unfortunately I think Lulav has a point even though I like ChavaK's point of view too.

I'll put an icon back, like I used to have, for very simple reasons of believing Jesus is all the things that Christianity says He is, but not because I believe that the Torah is null and void.

 

[ChavaK]

the basic tenets of Christianity are not accepting that Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah, but a savior from sin and that there was a New Covenant

Which presumably both Christians and Messianics believe

which didn't require following the Torah.

That does not negate the fact that accepting Jesus as messiah/savior means that Messianics/Christians have a shared faith-which centers on Jesus.

 

[ChavaK]

I'll put an icon back, like I used to have, for very simple reasons of believing Jesus is all the things that Christianity says He is, but not because I believe that the Torah is null and void.

I think perhaps you should not be so worried about a proper icon or title....use which ever you feel more comfortable with and whichever you feel reflects your faith better.

 

[ChavaK]

according to our SOF it is effected, so this is going against what we believe here.

Saying Messianics are Christians goes against the SOF here?

 

[Lady Bug]

the only reason I don't put Messianic as my icon is that I have not yet read the Torah in its totality...I am scared though that once I finish it I may not like it and my faith will be shaken but that is digressing too much

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Saying Messianics are Christians goes against the SOF here?

I believe in Jesus but I would never consider myself Christian.

 

[Lady Bug]

I believe in Jesus but I would never consider myself Christian.

why?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

why?

Because a Christian is somebody that has a worship system built on Babylonian traditions. Christians are against the law, against the Jews, and against most of what I believe.

These are my opinions of course, But the Jesus I worship looks nothing like the Jesus that the majority of Christians worship.

If somebody asked me if I'm a Christian and I say,'' yes'', they automatically stick Christmas, easter, Sunday Sabbaths, the gaining of wealth teachings right on my back.

Most of the Christians who know me think I'm pretty much antichrist and I think the same of them.

 

[Lady Bug]

Because a Christian is somebody that has a worship system built on Babylonian traditions. Christians are against the law, against the Jews, and against most of what I believe.

These are my opinions of course, But the Jesus I worship looks nothing like the Jesus that the majority of Christians worship.

If somebody asked me if I'm a Christian and I say,'' yes'', they automatically stick Christmas, easter, Sunday Sabbaths, the gaining of wealth teachings right on my back.

Most of the Christians who know me think I'm pretty much antichrist and I think the same of them.

oh dear I have the exact problems. they act like Jesus founded a new religion and that we are not supposed to follow Jewish ways anymore. the religion has IMHO been paganized. I am second-guessing my icon again, LOL.

 

[visionary]

I let Yeshua lead, and if asked, tell them I am a believer... further questioning, gets further answers, as much as I believe they can handle at the time.

 

[astein]

The truth will out, as it is said.

All truth is revealed, it is true.