Is anybody that accepts "Christ" considered a "Christian"?

[astein]

I should hate to speculate... or love to, but not here. But Messianics generally reject the interpolation of a pope, for example, into the faith. The rejection of Torah observance is a "later" addition (so we're told). Things of that sort. Beyond that, I can't get into things here.



Words form our frame of thinking. It makes a difference when it comes to how to approach the topic. Should it be approached through Torah or through Philosophy? Should we see משיח as directed related to David and the prophetic vision? Or, should we see Χριστός as a more universal character that is over and above the limited descriptions in the Tanach? That type of thing. Essentially, and I could be wrong on this, it seems that "messiah" is related more to the Jewish people and to the Tanach, while "Christ" is related more to God's eternal redemptive plan. Maybe someone here could tell me if I misunderstand that.

In other words, I would think that "messiah" is more horizontal while "christ" is more vertical.

Honestly, forgive me if that word is made with wicked intent, I neither understand the wordly definition of messiah, nor christ.

I understand that G-d is all, and perfection greets perfection truely and genuinely with love.

 

[astein]

Protestants do not generally advocate Torah study (I won't say "observance," given the problems of that word) and the learning of the Hebrew language.

I truely have no idea how come I have been rejected by "protestants" for trusting in the books, so labeled, "torah". The gospels don't reject them. Perhaps it is a trend of those that reject G-d.

May G-d humble us all.

 

[astein]

Is anybody that accepts "Christ" considered a "Christian"?


According to the dictionary, yes.
To claim to know who is truly saved, however, is to claim to be a mind-reader.

Thank you friend. G-d is already true.

 

[yonah_mishael]

I can respond to your latter response in your post. Christian, in a form, is a generic way of saying follower of Christ. "A believer in G_d" is an accurate way of saying one is fully commited unto G_d. As a meagerly gentile, I can understand how a "Jew" can feel "superior" considering, that "jews" are fortunate enough to be instructed by G_d, upclose, and personal. Lets us skip tippy toeing around the details(in this post, G_d have mercy), God is for the least, proving that the least are the greatest. Who, among men, appearing to be the greatest, "among men", attempts to claim to be better? Considering G_d is the Creator of all, and all was given. How am I, mere man, surrounded by giants of self pride and arrogance, supposed to explain that G_d is all, when the one surrounding me, claim to be better and void of G_ds law? How much must I suffer until the wicked are done away with? Im angry, yes. I suffer daily at the hands of those that blasphemy against God, curse against God, curse against me for being for God. And yet, Im not a jew by mans standards. Im alone, with God as my only friend. How am I to stand against those that constantly and intentionally try to harm me day after day? If I say that God is my only friend, do you believe me? Do you believe in the truth?

I don't know why you think that Gentiles are "meager" or that Jews are "superior." That's not the case at all.

 

[yonah_mishael]

I truely have no idea how come I have been rejected by "protestants" for trusting in the books, so labeled, "torah". The gospels don't reject them. Perhaps it is a trend of those that reject G-d.

May G-d humble us all.

I don't see why you think that Protestants reject you.

 

[astein]

I don't know why you think that Gentiles are "meager" or that Jews are "superior." That's not the case at all.

Anren't they though? Aren't Jews Gods chosen? Who is a gentile, adopted into the family to come any other way? May G_d have mercy.

 

[astein]

I don't see why you think that Protestants reject you.

I cannot speak the secret language that most speak and am rejected. I truely don't understand it and have been rejected by all that do. I may be left out of the loop, I don't know. I don't understand how gain is Godliness. I don't understand how come speaking plainly invites confusion. How come I am attacked for trusting in G_ds word? I hate the abuse Im enduring. I love G_d. G_d is all I have.

 

[astein]

Who wants to fight against G_ds law? G_ds law is perfect.

 

[Avodat]

I cannot speak the secret language that most speak and am rejected. I truely don't understand it and have been rejected by all that do. I may be left out of the loop, I don't know. I don't understand how gain is Godliness. I don't understand how come speaking plainly invites confusion. How come I am attacked for trusting in G_ds word? I hate the abuse Im enduring. I love G_d. G_d is all I have.

Ooooooooooooooo, I am excited! I have been a Protestant all my life and haven't come across a secret language - what have I been missing out on? Astein, please tell!

 

[mishkan]

Ooooooooooooooo, I am excited! I have been a Protestant all my life and haven't come across a secret language - what have I been missing out on? Astein, please tell!

It sounds to me like she is describing a charismatic/pentecostal congregation, with people speaking in tongues. As for the confusion that comes with plain speaking, this is what I have identified as the general Christian tendency to allegorize literal texts, while literalizing the metaphorical passages. I wrote about that phenomenon on my blog site.

 

[astein]

Ooooooooooooooo, I am excited! I have been a Protestant all my life and haven't come across a secret language - what have I been missing out on? Astein, please tell!

I speak plainly, openly and am still rejected, misunderstood and mocked. If that is religion or rather, isn't that of hatred and greed and wickedness?

If I say no, I mean no. Who inturepts it to mean otherwise?

Is it fun to attack innocence?

 

[astein]

It sounds to me like she is describing a charismatic/pentecostal congregation, with people speaking in tongues. As for the confusion that comes with plain speaking, this is what I have identified as the general Christian tendency to allegorize literal texts, while literalizing the metaphorical passages. I wrote about that phenomenon on my blog site.

Thank you mishak for expressing your views. Demons may be a stretch for those that reject the gospels. Unfortunately, Im getting attacked constantly. And yes, they say no and mean owe. They say eat and promote murder and thievery. A battle is abroad and few care. Im alone. Yet the truth is, God is my only friend. Until others that hear me are brave enough to confess they too endure such torment, I stand alone and please undersatnd, I prevail. Any who suffer, I have took a stand with you. I have won and will prevail.

Anyway, God judges the heart and is aware of all things. Id do further study before Id even consider condemning it. God is good, God is all.

 

[Lady Bug]

can you still call yourself a Christian if you lean toward the Messianic view that the Torah is still in effect? or does Christianity mean the "abolition" of the Torah? that is part of the reason why I can't sport an icon as of late, I don't know what to do.

 

[astein]

can you still call yourself a Christian if you lean toward the Messianic view that the Torah is still in effect? or does Christianity mean the "abolition" of the Torah? that is part of the reason why I can't sport an icon as of late, I don't know what to do.

The Torah is good, as God is good. Gods word is eternal. Who rejects Gods words and still claims to be for God?

I have no "icon" because those attempting to claim the "icons", have rejected me, and rest assured, God is my only friend.

 

[forest flower]

In my view a Christian is someone who follows Christ. Our beliefs differ from there and that is why we have our denominations. I'm young and still working out my faith but I believe in Pentecost (spiritual gifts) and follow Jesus. I'd say I'm a Pentecostal, Protestant (not catholic or orthodox), Christian.

 

[astein]

In my view a Christian is someone who follows Christ. Our beliefs differ from there and that is why we have our denominations. I'm young and still working out my faith but I believe in Pentecost (spiritual gifts) and follow Jesus. I'd say I'm a Pentecostal, Protestant (not catholic or orthodox), Christian.

Be free child. God is all. Man made doctrine(religion) is fail. God is so much greater. All the prophets shine light on this fact, we should at least understand this. Choose freedom and choose God Himself. We are slave to none. Free in God. God is all.

 

[Avodat]

I speak plainly, openly and am still rejected, misunderstood and mocked. If that is religion or rather, isn't that of hatred and greed and wickedness?

If I say no, I mean no. Who inturepts it to mean otherwise?

Is it fun to attack innocence?

Sorry, I wasn't intending to make fun at you, it just struck me as very odd as I've not come across it many decades of serving the the Lord - I was actually asking a serious question: what is this secret language that all Protestants use, I've not become aware of it. Are you talking about secret signs and words like Masons use?

 

[forest flower]

Is the Torah the first five books or the whole Old Testament? Shouldn't the old and new compliment each other with Jesus showing how and binding both?

 

[astein]

Sorry, I wasn't intending to make fun at you, it just struck me as very odd as I've not come across it many decades of serving the the Lord - I was actually asking a serious question: what is this secret language that all Protestants use, I've not become aware of it. Are you talking about secret signs and words like Masons use?

It isn't that decptive, it's worse.
It isn't protestants only, it's the entire world.

The world is under a delusion. I apologize if that is too much to digest. Greed is the focus of the world and I guarantee they are looking upon me now in hopes that they can gain for themselves.

If one isn't plain in the intents of their speaking, they are serving deceit. All those serving deceit, are against God(G_d). It isn't confusing, speak plainly or become an enemy of G_d.

Confusion, deceit, is against G_d.

 

[astein]

Is the Torah the first five books or the whole Old Testament. Shouldn't the old and new compliment each other with Jesus showing how and binding both?

The entire Holy Bible is good friend.