Is abortion really soooo bad for a Christian pastor to be promoting? -- Warnock

[BobRyan]

And if a woman gets pregnant while a man is holding a gun at her head while raping her, is it your argument that it's the womans fault because she is able to procreate and she should have known better?

If the man cuts off her hair or her fingernail should she then wait and kill the baby?

At what point is the baby supposed to be killed because the man did something wrong?

Again, if we are to say the Baby has the unimpeachable human right to the unfettered use of the woman's Body

Does your stomach have an unimpeachable right to the food you put in it?? Does your stomach have the right digest food. Do babies have the right to live?

, we can't say that right ends at birth and still call it a "Human Right". We can have the discussion on whether the unborn should have the special prievlege of such unfettered use, and I believe they should, but we can't then call that special privelege afforded to the unborn a "Human right to life". The Human right to life doesn't end at birth.

The human right to life begins before birth -- nobody has made the argument that all women should be killed for some reason. The "right to life ending at birth" argument has never been made here -- by either side of the discussion.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

And if a woman gets pregnant while a man is holding a gun at her head while raping her, is it your argument that it's the womans fault because she is able to procreate and she should have known better?

Again, if we are to say the Baby has the unimpeachable human right to the unfettered use of the woman's Body, we can't say that right ends at birth and still call it a "Human Right". We can have the discussion on whether the unborn should have the special prievlege of such unfettered use, and I believe they should, but we can't then call that special privelege afforded to the unborn a "Human right to life". The Human right to life doesn't end at birth.

People who argue for abortion almost always reference rape, when in fact rape accounts for less than 3% of all cases. That'd be like arguing against the use of cars and using the small percentage of car accidents as the example. If you put rape aside you have no case to stand on and instead are just typically arguing for people who are unmarried and just don't want a child.

 

[Diamond72]

And if a woman gets pregnant while a man is holding a gun at her head while raping her,

That would not work with my wife. Guns do not scare her and she knows the authority she has and the angels that are assigned to protect her. I am sure that sort of thing does happen though. Maybe if you have three guys and one girl they would be able to overpower her. Of course in the Bible, it is only rape if she does not cry out for help or if there is no one to cry out to for help. So why would a woman get herself into a situation where there is no one around to help her? Not to say it can not happen. I personally get the impression that she gives the guy permission and it all goes a lot differently from the way she thought it was going to go. Like Matt Lauer, do you really think he raped them? Or maybe they thought he could give them a million-dollar job and nothing came out of it or something like that. Or the director Harvey Weinstein who got sentenced to 22 years. Even though he paid the girl 3 million dollars when she did star in his movie. Or the Olympic team doctor that got 18 years for what he felt was an appropriate medical procedure. Was Moses wrong in saying it is only rape if they do not cry out for help?

 

[Diamond72]

People who argue for abortion almost always reference rape

Life is always the right choice. It is not always the easy choice.

 

[parousia70]

People who argue for abortion almost always reference rape, when in fact rape accounts for less than 3% of all cases. That'd be like arguing against the use of cars and using the small percentage of car accidents as the example. If you put rape aside you have no case to stand on and instead are just typically arguing for people who are unmarried and just don't want a child.

So by putting rape aside, you mean you believe in an exception for cases of Rape? Or is Rape not really something you care to address and just want to brush it aside as if it doesnt exist??

 

[parousia70]

The "right to life ending at birth" argument has never been made here -- by either side of the discussion.

When the claim is the that right to life of the unborn includes the special and unique RIGHT to the unfettered use of another Human Being's Body, even against their will, then Yes, the argument that THAT right ends at birth is absolutely being made by every pro lifer here that I've come across.

Nobody I've seen on this forum, besides me, is arguing FOR a consistent right to life for all, including the unfettered use of another person's body in order to stay alive, even against their will, from conception to death.

 

[parousia70]

That would not work with my wife. Guns do not scare her and she knows the authority she has and the angels that are assigned to protect her. I am sure that sort of thing does happen though. Maybe if you have three guys and one girl they would be able to overpower her. Of course in the Bible, it is only rape if she does not cry out for help or if there is no one to cry out to for help. So why would a woman get herself into a situation where there is no one around to help her? Not to say it can not happen. I personally get the impression that she gives the guy permission and it all goes a lot differently from the way she thought it was going to go. Like Matt Lauer, do you really think he raped them? Or maybe they thought he could give them a million-dollar job and nothing came out of it or something like that. Or the director Harvey Weinstein who got sentenced to 22 years. Even though he paid the girl 3 million dollars when she did star in his movie. Or the Olympic team doctor that got 18 years for what he felt was an appropriate medical procedure. Was Moses wrong in saying it is only rape if they do not cry out for help?

Sorry, I'll never get on board with Blaming women for getting raped.

 

[Diamond72]

Sorry, I'll never get on board with Blaming women for getting raped.

Then you do not know the power we have and the angel given to protect us. I give away tear gas all the time. They put a dye in the tear gas so if a woman sprays someone there is evidence of that. If the tear gas does not stop them, then I could agree with you that would be rape. There is very little chance the police will do anything to anyone if they use tear gas because that is a part of what they use to keep people under control. But if he was raping her and she stabbed him with a knife, she would most likely go to jail. I sell knives and weapons for self defense. People come to me all the time wanting to know how to defend themselves so I have put a lot more thought into this than you have.