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It truly saddens me to see such an intelligent mind as Dr Katz believe his own false equivalencies.Abortion, on Middle Ground
by David Katz M.D.
Director, Yale Prevention Research Center
By having an abortion, if she chooses.How does she accomplish exercising this so called right?
No I don’t think a court would conclude an innocent life in the womb enslaves a woman. Perhaps Third wave feminists make this argument but the Holy Scriptures does not and reasonable people would not.
Therefore killing an innocent life in the womb is justified because that innocent life has somehow enslaved the pregnant woman. Do we throw 3 year olds in jail for accidentally burning down a house?
Therefore exercising a so called right not to carry what she does not want to merits the termination of another distinct human life.By having an abortion, if she chooses.
Roe v Wade was about privacy rights. Because that is the way the court went it opened the door for abortion on demand for any reason and at any time during the pregnancy.Thanks for conversing with me. I was attempting to see where the courts went and why abortion is legal. And I clearly see some reason for it under certain circumstances. And I didn't clearly see where the bible was against it. But I don't see why the courts allow it for any reason.
Roe v Wade was about privacy rights. Because that is the way the court went it opened the door for abortion on demand for any reason and at any time during the pregnancy.
Prior to Roe, every state had abortion protections for the woman’s life. Most states had provisions for rape and incest. What Roe addresses was abortion on demand as a right.
So-called right? What right do we have to force a woman to carry a child that was forced upon her?Therefore exercising a so called right not to carry what she does not want to merits the termination of another distinct human life.
The right to not carry the innocent child to term includes premeditated murder.
You alright with that?
The last thing I do is fallaciously appeal to emotions. And if the only response you can give is that, then I’ll assume you have no substance to respond with.I think you're trying to appeal to the tender hearts of Christians. Which is compelling but not practical or just. It's like warfare, I would say it's just to defend the freedom of this country from oppression of nations. Even by killing humans that have worth. Sometimes to avoid certain sufferings allows for the killing of people with worth in the justice of law.
I wonder, people (usually Americans) always talk about “our rights”. Yet, when I read Scripture I don’t see myself as being told I have any rights, can anyone show me where that’s taught? I see people like Paul calling himself a slave to Christ in Galatians 1:10. I see other places where I’m told to offer my body as a living sacrifice, I see other places where I’m told to honor God with my body. Are we not bought with a price? I think the whole “rights” argument fails if you’re a Christian.She has the right not to carry the child she didn't ask for.
Yes, people have rights.The last thing I do is fallaciously appeal to emotions. And if the only response you can give is that, then I’ll assume you have no substance to respond with.
1. We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization.
2. We know Biblically that all human beings, regardless of their age, are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value.
3. Therefore, we can say without question that at least 98% of abortions, which are committed for convenience reasons, are immoral.
I wonder, people (usually Americans) always talk about “our rights”. Yet, when I read Scripture I don’t see myself as being told I have any rights, can anyone show me where that’s taught? I see people like Paul calling himself a slave to Christ in Galatians 1:10. I see other places where I’m told to offer my body as a living sacrifice, I see other places where I’m told to honor God with my body. Are we not bought with a price? I think the whole “rights” argument fails if you’re a Christian.
It fails because one, my “rights” are to live a life that glorified God. And second, it completely ignores any “rights” of the unborn human.
The last thing I do is fallaciously appeal to emotions. And if the only response you can give is that, then I’ll assume you have no substance to respond with.
1. We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization.
2. We know Biblically that all human beings, regardless of their age, are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value.
3. Therefore, we can say without question that at least 98% of abortions, which are committed for convenience reasons, are immoral.
A person is a being that is intelligent enough to recognize itself apart from others and handle abstract thinking.Then give us your definition of person.
You are again confusing being on the way to being a person with being a person.Embryologists and geneticists and High school biology informs us we are human beings genetically at conception. The parents each give 23 human chromosomes to create a new distinct human life. There’s the answer. We are human beings at conception. We can’t be anything else. We are small and look exactly the way we should for that stage of our development.
No it’s not. Holy Scriptures addresses protecting innocent life and the premeditated killing of other human beings.
Where you assert Scriptures are silent the Incarnation speaks loudly of the sanctity of human life at the earliest of stages. Jesus Christ was once a zygote as we were.
Clearly speaks to the ancient status of such opinions. Not scripture, of course, but shows those kinds of ideas were present in ancient times.This is your evidence? An apocryphal book?
Christians condemned abortion long before there was a Roman Catholic Pope.
The Didache is attributed as one of the earliest pieces of evidence of early church teachings outside of the NT. It clearly taught abortion was murder.
SCOTUS had to slice and dice the Constitution to find zones of privacy:Can you elaborate on the argument for abortion in Roe v Wade? I don't see how privacy relates. For instance, courts don't care about privacy during court proceedings related to killing.
We don't. The question is what right does any human being have to determine the life of another? That's the question.So-called right? What right do we have to force a woman to carry a child that was forced upon her?
Let's start here. Who has defined the above statement as objectively a true statement?A person is a being that is intelligent enough to recognize itself apart from others and handle abstract thinking.
Therefore at some point Jesus became a human being? When was that exactly? What was He before that?Zygotes that go on to be born and develop brains are not in the same class as zygotes that never do that.
Both the OT and NT forbid the taking of another human life. Unless you can find the Torah teaching of abortion the conclusion is no mention of the procedure means it was not practiced.Abortion was practiced in new testament times and yet the new testament NEVER condemns abortion.
Many persons. Other persons, such as yourself, claim it is enough to have the genes. Making a living skin cell on your body a person.Let's start here. Who has defined the above statement as objectively a true statement?
Who is the many? How is your statement a true statement? And when exactly does this happen?Many persons. Other persons, such as yourself, claim it is enough to have the genes. Making a living skin cell on your body a person.
Who is the many? How is your statement a true statement? And when exactly does this happen?
AKA where are your facts and substantiation for your claim?
I apologize if I came across as probing. However you have not substantiated your claims.Oh come on, the fact that people have different opinions on this subject is common knowledge. The fact remains this issue can never be scientifically or factually decided, it is a matter of opinions and we all believe our own opinions are correct. I suggest that we let people who don't believe abortion is morally allowed bear there children to term and even help them to do that and we let people who wish to terminate their pregnancy in the first half of their term go ahead and do that.
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