Is $450,000 enough for each illegal immigrant separated from family?

[Valletta]

Gee, the last guy must have kept you so busy.

A lot of it is the bureaucracies and the "experts" working for each administration. At least there would be a chance to challenge the establishment if the people knew just how badly foreign relations were handled by both Democrats and Republicans. For example, the horrors that were unleashed by the attack by Iraq against Kuwait could have been halted had the Bush administration taken reasonable action once informed Iraq was hours away from invading Kuwait. Our country had the power to stop it, all that needed to happen was for the president to contact Saddam Hussein and tell him we would use our military to stop any such invasion. The link is to an article from the Defense Intelligence Journal, and it accurately portrays what happened. The key is that the U.S. diplomats believed what foreign representatives told them rather than their own eyes, faces with the HIGHEST intelligence warning the U.S. intelligence community can give, and the intelligence was clear. The U.S. bureaucrats involved should have been fired and Bush held accountable. Where was the media? Here is the important excerpt:

"Nevertheless, the warning messages of the NIO for Warning -- both warning of war and warning of attack -- were not heeded, either by senior intelligence officials or policymakers

As a postscript, at a session of senior military and civilian officers at the Pentagon, General Butler, the J-5, stated that the NIO for Warning had provided warning of war and warning of attack, but that he was not taken seriously because senior US officials talked with, and accepted the judgment of a number of leaders in the Middle East as well as the Soviet Union, all of whom were of the opinion that Saddam did not intend to attack."

https://cryptome.org/allen-wiik.htm

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, Biden is not helping the cartels. That is a flat out flame and a lie.

I need to clarify and correct one of my posts about DNA testing at the border. In
2019, well after many children (including infants) had been taken by border agents and separated from the parents, the Trump administration start using rapid DNA tests on those that agreed to do it. About 16% of the ones tested showed there was no family relationship but that does not mean they are evil child smugglers. What about a woman bringing her children and a step child or two to the border?
There would not be a family relationship there, but that woman is the mother to those stepchildren. And what smuggler would agree to a voluntary DNA test? The Biden administration stopped doing it in March of this year (or April). I have no doubt though, that they are checking DNA with a better test before turning reconnecting children to their parents after a few years apart.

But all this represents a deflection from the topic that the separated parents and children will be financially compensated for the pain inflicted on them by the US border agents. The younger children were getting use to another woman being their mother, and then suddenly they are with people who speak Spanish and is the mother they have forgotten.

As Migrant Families Are Reunited, Some Children Don’t Recognize Their Mothers (Published 2018)

One mother had waited four months to wrap her arms around her little boy. Another had waited three months to see her little girl again.

When the reunions finally happened Tuesday in Phoenix, the mothers were met with cries of rejection from their children.

“He didn’t recognize me,” said Mirce Alba Lopez, 31, of her 3-year-old son, Ederson, her eyes welling up with tears. “My joy turned temporarily to sadness.”

For Milka Pablo, 35, it was no different. Her 3-year-old daughter, Darly, screamed and tried to wiggle free from her mother’s embrace.....

As Ms. Lopez and Ms. Pablo waited at a Greyhound station to board eastbound buses, their children called each other sister and brother. They were yet to utter the word “mami,” Spanish for mother, to the women cuddling, stroking and feeding them. But they were calmer, the mothers said.

Darly, who had been potty-trained before the separation, had regressed to diapers. Ederson bounced up and down on his mother’s lap and downed Doritos with gusto. All of the adults were fitted with ankle monitors.

“I want to go with my little sister,” he said, pointing to a 13-month-old named Carmen in the arms of Denis Espinoza, her Honduran father who was released from detention to recover her 20 days after they were separated.
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The policy of separating the families caused a great deal of harm to those families and especially the young children.


From June 2018

Reuniting and Detaining Migrant Families Pose New Mental Health Risks (Published 2018)

The chaotic process of reuniting thousands of migrant children and parents separated by the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy poses great psychological risks, both short- and long-term, mental health experts said on Friday. So does holding those families indefinitely while they await legal proceedings, which could happen under the president’s new executive order.

The administration has no clear plan to reunite migrant families, which is sure to carry a psychological price for migrant parents and more than 2,300 children separated from them at the border in recent months. More than 400 are under age 12, and many are toddlers.
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Biden border policies enrich drug cartels charging $6G to smuggle migrants into US: Arizona sheriff | Fox News

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3oxx77eJ-i8qmHSGYk-H5V&cf=1

Biden policies stir Mexican concerns over new boom for cartels

 

[disciple Clint]

No, the Trump administration did not follow law and was ordered by the courts to put the families back together again. But they did not keep good records so for some it took a few years and some have not been reconnected at all.

And no, Biden is not helping the cartels, which is a flat out lie, and there has been nothing about DNA tests showing lack of relationship. They didn't even start collecting dna until AFTER the courts ordered them to put the kids back with the parents. They can't even contact many of the parents. It was an evil thing to separate them. One child was even taken from it's mother while it was nursing.

and now for the facts
Mexico says Biden asylum policies boost illegals, cartels
Border Policy Is an Economic Boom for Cartels, Assault on Americans
Supreme Court Denies Biden—Trump's 'Remain-in-Mexico' Policy Upheld - American Faith
DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelated

 

[Bradskii]

and now for the facts
Mexico says Biden asylum policies boost illegals, cartels
Border Policy Is an Economic Boom for Cartels, Assault on Americans
Supreme Court Denies Biden—Trump's 'Remain-in-Mexico' Policy Upheld - American Faith
DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelated

The Examiner, The Post and The Daily Signal. Personally speaking, if those were the media outlets I relied on for my information then I wouldn't confirm it by linking to them. But that's just me.

 

[disciple Clint]

The Examiner, The Post and The Daily Signal. Personally speaking, if those were the media outlets I relied on for my information then I wouldn't confirm it by linking to them. But that's just me.

Killing the messenger will not change the facts, if you have facts and evidence to dispute my evidence post it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The one about 30% DNA test is inaccurate. It has been debunked. It is 16% at best and could simply be stepchild- stepparent relationship..

 

[Valletta]

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Biden border policies enrich drug cartels charging $6G to smuggle migrants into US: Arizona sheriff | Fox News

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3oxx77eJ-i8qmHSGYk-H5V&cf=1

Biden policies stir Mexican concerns over new boom for cartels

I understand the going rate can get up to $10,000 for each individual. Not only are the trafficked women and children victims, but let us not forget that there have been thousands of American citizens murdered by illegal immigrants. It has been the policy of not only the U.S. government governments to not also incarcerate children in adult jails when their parents are jailed. Imagine the incentive to those in other countries to take a chance for $450,000 each in a family, more than they could earn in an entire lifetime.
We can expect others to come here, get arrested, and hope that they are separated for two months so they collect. Foreign countries are dumping their hard core prisoners into the U.S., these cartel and gang members could bring their children, insist the U.S. arrest them, do a few months in jail, and be set for life!!
THOUSANDS of U.S. citizens have died at the hands of illegals. The parents of those dead are separated from their dead children by six feet of dirt for a LIFETIME. Joe and the people who give him instructions need to be held accountable, let us see they are swiftly prosecuted and that the government support for criminals stops.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The Examiner, The Post and The Daily Signal. Personally speaking, if those were the media outlets I relied on for my information then I wouldn't confirm it by linking to them. But that's just me.

I don't know why this has suddenly become fashionable on this forum.

Those sources may be biased, but they aren't conspiracy theorist websites.

Whenever people on the left cannot address evidence presented....they attack it's source because it's not something they read.

What would you believe? If the DHS said the "current situation" (because they won't blame Biden) is creating an economic boom for the cartels would that be enough?

 

[FreeinChrist]

I don't know why this has suddenly become fashionable on this forum.
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Those sources may be biased, but they aren't conspiracy theorist websites.

Whenever people on the left cannot address evidence presented....they attack it's source because it's not something they read.

What would you believe? If the DHS said the "current situation" (because they won't blame Biden) is creating an economic boom for the cartels would that be enough?

This is rich. After all the complaints about the "fake news" and all the criticism of MSM as biased and not worthy, to complain about some folks on the left criticizing obvious right wing media as not beingable to address evidence is rather bizarre.

 

[Bradskii]

Killing the messenger will not change the facts, if you have facts and evidence to dispute my evidence post it.

Here's what we can do. You produce some facts and evidence and I'll see if it's worth examining. Otherwise...

 

[Bradskii]

Those sources may be biased, but they aren't conspiracy theorist websites.
Whenever people on the left cannot address evidence presented....they attack it's source because it's not something they read.

If you want to use those outlets as a place to get your information, then be my guest.

 

[Valletta]

If you want to use those outlets as a place to get your information, then be my guest.

Don't be afraid to examine any news outlet and check for accuracy. I have dealt with the media for decades, and for national news a major problem is that there is no formal mechanism whatsoever at the national level to correct errors. Police departments have internal affairs units and government oversight and yet still there are problems. Given the volume of information it should not be a surprise that they may a number of mistakes. Combine that with common virtual black outs on information that is potentially damaging to major media political leanings. A reasonable person should use multiples news outlets, foreign and local included. I do. For example, there has been a major media blackout on Joe Biden's mental state. Could you imagine if Trump said he was "under orders" about who and when to talk to and "instructed" to do this or that a dozen times? After all of this time I was quite shocked for MSNBC to mention that Joe dozed off during the climate change meeting, supposedly the most important item he is pushing. Realize that the major media have downplayed or covered up Joe's mental decline for over a year. I think it is because Democrats may lose the Virginia governorship tonight in a state with about 60% Democrats and the media is preparing to get rid of Biden should that happen. A national system for the press, where the press could send representatives to handle complaints of errors or bias, was proposed decades ago.

 

[disciple Clint]

Here's what we can do. You produce some facts and evidence and I'll see if it's worth examining. Otherwise...

And when you can not dispute the facts and evidence that I already provided, you can always try to dodge the issue

 

[disciple Clint]

Don't be afraid to examine any news outlet and check for accuracy. I have dealt with the media for decades, and for national news a major problem is that there is no formal mechanism whatsoever at the national level to correct errors. Police departments have internal affairs units and government oversight and yet still there are problems. Given the volume of information it should not be a surprise that they may a number of mistakes. Combine that with common virtual black outs on information that is potentially damaging to major media political leanings. A reasonable person should use multiples news outlets, foreign and local included. I do. For example, there has been a major media blackout on Joe Biden's mental state. Could you imagine if Trump said he was "under orders" about who and when to talk to and "instructed" to do this or that a dozen times? After all of this time I was quite shocked for MSNBC to mention that Joe dozed off during the climate change meeting, supposedly the most important item he is pushing. Realize that the major media have downplayed or covered up Joe's mental decline for over a year. I think it is because Democrats may lose the Virginia governorship tonight in a state with about 60% Democrats and the media is preparing to get rid of Biden should that happen. A national system for the press, where the press could send representatives to handle complaints of errors or bias, was proposed decades ago.

I am reminded that Pelosi said that this bill was not about Trump, who could it have been about??? Pelosi unveils plan for 25th Amendment to analyze Trump

 

[Bradskii]

And when you can not dispute the facts and evidence that I already provided, you can always try to dodge the issue

Let's take the last one about dna. The report is based on one purported statement from a single unidentified person. If that's the standard of evidence you are presenting then I have nothing to dispute.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you want to use those outlets as a place to get your information, then be my guest.

Why do you deny what they say?

 

[Bradskii]

Why do you deny what they say?

See the post above yours.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here's what we can do. You produce some facts and evidence and I'll see if it's worth examining. Otherwise...

That was already done....facts and evidence were presented.

You didn't address them. You complained about the source.

 

[Ana the Ist]

See the post above yours.

I didn't post about DNA. I posted about Bidens policies enriching cartels.

 

[Bradskii]

I didn't post about DNA. I posted about Bidens policies enriching cartels.

The stories to which you linked are what you class as evidence?