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Design101 said:No I have never seen a bridge built. If there was no record of the builder, I would still conclude based on what I know about designed systems, the bridge was caused into existence by intelligent agency.
notto said:You just keep asserting this. You are no closer to actually showing it than you were when you said it a hundred times ago.
Except that DNA isn't a code at all, in that sense.Design101 said:This is a logical assertion that can be drawn from empirical evidence. All you have to do to falsify my statement would be to find me a code that can be formed by natural processes alone, without intelligent agency. Stop for a moment, and please show me a code that has been observed to be produced without intelligent agency. What purely naturalistic conditions are going to produce a code, please enlighten me on this point. I will continue to hammer this point to you until you realize intelligent causation is the key to solving the origin of the code, any code.
Cronic said:So if a tree trunk falls in the right way to bridge a gap it was actually just put there by an inteligent designer?
You need to have a tree in the right distance from the gap. A wind blowing in the right direction. The trunk must be long enough. And the force of the impact must be just right so the tree doesn't split in two. Therefore a tree falling to form a bridge has an inteligent designer. Isn't that what ID says? If you take out one part of the system the rest will colapse therefore aliensdidit.
Yes. A code requires intelligent causation. The chemical genetic code of each subsequent organism would likewise require such an event in the past.Isn't the tree trunk bridge an irreducibly complex system?
Electric Sceptic said:Except that DNA isn't a code at all, in that sense.
And this code provides information to who, exactly? Itself? What are the encoding, storage, retrieval, and decoding mechanisms being employed?Design101 said:Genetic Code- The sequence (order) of DNA bases in a gene, which make up the instructions for a particular characteristic.
A coded sequence of chemical instructions that provide informational meaning.
Tomk80 said:I don't need to read further than this. You are telling me that there is no peer reviewed research, apparantly basing your statement only on the abstract, when the peer reviewed research is all referenced below the paper (chapter six, appropriately called 'references'.
You sir, are a joke
This has been shown to you ad infinitum. You refuse to listen.Design101 said:All you have to do to falsify my statement would be to find me a code that can be formed by natural processes alone, without intelligent agency.
nvxplorer said:This has been shown to you ad infinitum. You refuse to listen.
Now why on earth would I do that? So you can ignore it? Like youve ignored post #26?Design101 said:Show me again in your best descriptive words.
Genetic algorithmsDesign101 said:Yes. A code requires intelligent causation. The chemical genetic code of each subsequent organism would likewise require such an event in the past.
3Amig(o)s said:Hello all evolutionists out there. Could someone please tell me in as few words as possible, what irreducible complexity is, and why you believe it to be wrong.
thanks,
J.M.N.W.
Hello all evolutionists out there. Could someone please tell me in as few words as possible, what irreducible complexity is, and why you believe it to be wrong.
New York City is irreducible complex, yet G!D didn't build it.
notto said:Have you ever seen anybody build a bridge?
I your world, it would be impossible.
Are you simply ignoring the examples of the evolution of IC that you have been shown already?
Please point out the flaws in the following:
talkdesign.org/faqs/flagellum.html
IntelligentDesigner2 said:No I have never seen a bridge built. If there was no record of the builder, I would still conclude based on what I know about designed systems, the bridge was caused into existence by intelligent agency.
Ad Hominen.
"However, published attempts to explain flagellar origins suffer from vagueness and are inconsistent with recent discoveries and the constraints imposed by Brownian motion."
This sentence is very important. Please show me or provide me with a link to a peer reviewed paper on a working model that shows change in molecular machines such as the flagellum. There are none. Engineering diagrams are now an excellent way to study the flagellum.
"A new model is proposed based on two major arguments."
The very next sentence of that paper is now trying to tell you--even though we don't have any peer reviewed working models of evolution taking place at the molecular machine level, we will now tell you how we at talkorigins think it happened (with no testing of any change that actually takes place in reality). It is pointless to even propose a model such as the one presented because ultimately the driving force behind biochemical systems is the code. Where did you get this chemical code from?--And why is there informational pathways built into the circuitry of the cell? Hmm...Something is afoot here.
By the way, thank you for deleting all of my posts and deleting my accounts and continually allowing people to flame me. I notice a lot of people are replying to my posts which are no longer there. Itis rather interesting to notice the viewpoint discrimination in this forum. I will now have to save all of my posts to my computer so that when they get deleted for absolutely no reason other than you do not like my ideas, I can keep reposting them to defend what I have to say.
Dragar said:To which an IDist would simply say 'Ah-ha! You see! It required an intelligence - humans - to create New York City."
KerrMetric said:Hey look. It's TheRealSkeptic/IntelligentDesigner back again after banning.
Hi.
Still haven't answered where the designer was when the bacterium changed its genome via frame shift to allow nylon consumption.
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