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Daniel 10: 2. In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks.
3. I ate no pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Daniel was ill, distraught with worry and physically unable to eat. He didn’t even look after himself properly for three weeks!

Daniel, was extremely concerned for his people and depressed by the worry of a coming conflict.
He wanted answers and was left waiting around for three weeks?
What was going on in his mind?

Daniel was standing by the river Tigris (Hebrew Hiddekel) The Tigris like the Euphrates, rises from two principal sources in the Armenian mountains, Its length is reckoned at 1146 miles.


On the twenty fourth day of the first month was the time of the vision, only this time it was in the company of others.

Daniel 10: 4. Now on the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river which Hiddekel;

Daniel 10: 5. I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz!

The appearance of the messenger was seen only by Daniel, even though he was with others.

Daniel 10: 6. His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in colour, and the sound of his words like the voice of a great multitude.

Daniel 10: 7. And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great terror fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

What ever it was that terrified the others accompanying Daniel, Daniel does not say but he was left alone and he went weak.

Daniel 10: 8. Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great vision, and no strength remained in me; for MY VIGOUR WAS TURNED TO FRAILTY IN ME, and I RETAINED NO STRENGTH.
Now I know where we have seen the above Person in verse 6, He has the same effect on John.
Revelation 1: 14. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15. And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17. And when I saw him, I FELL AT HIS FEET AS DEAD. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Like John, who also saw God, Daniel was not in control, he was in, as he says ‘a deep sleep’ yet he was able to comprehend.

Daniel 10: 9. Yet I heard the sound of his words; and while I heard the sound of his words I was in a deep sleep on my face, with my face to the ground.

The physical influences from God, played upon Daniel, and left him helpless as with John also and the hand of God, touched then both.
Daniel 10: 10. Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands.

God, told Daniel, how much he was thought of in Heaven and told him to stand upright so Daniel still trembling, weakly stood up.

Daniel 10: 11. And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.”

Daniel was a most humble man, this is something that is a characteristic noted and approved of in Heaven, ‘the humble man.’

We read about the loud boastful unheard of things that will be spoken against the Most High, in Daniel by the false prophet, and little horn/Satan and the beast with the mortal wound, we see the reaction of Michael/Jesus ‘the Prince which stands for thy children’ in Daniel 12.

Daniel 12. 1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.



Rev 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The same story, added to with consistency and harmony, confirms that it was put there by God!
We are about to see “the mystery of God,” unfold in Revelation and Daniel, in our time, within this generation when trumpet seven sounds.

We should now be familiar with the time we live in, regarding the events leading up to the tribulation period after studying Dan 7: and 8; AND 9: earlier in this post where certain powers can be readily recognisable today by their symbols and behaviour.
I do have a real problems with the pre tribulation escape notion, the next verse seems to invalidate that idea.

Daniel 7: 25. And he shall speak words against the most High, and shall WEAR OUT THE SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO HIS HAND until a TIME and TIMES and the DIVIDING of TIME.

Daniel 7: 26. But the judgment shall sit, and THEY SHALL TAKE AWAY his DOMINION, to consume and TO DESTROY IT UNTO THE END.

As I have already said Earth is not the Lord’s as yet, it is Satan’s, that is why in the last verse judgment sits and It will be taken from him legally.

Jesus, must also be judged to be found ‘worthy’ to take back the kingdom and His power and glory and as a result Satan, will lose his dominion.
What does Satan do?
“He wears out the Saints” along with the two Witnesses in Rev 11, who are to be killed at the end of the 1260 days of their witnessing, He will wear out the children of God over 3 ½ years.
Why does Satan, come to stay here for 3 ½ years?

Daniel 12: 7. And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT against the DRAGON; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Kicked out of Heaven, The accuser (Satan) and the beast and evil angels bring the war to Earth.

I have used Daniel 7: again because it is an overview from the lion losing his eagle’s wings and lion’s heart in verse 4, then to the everlasting kingdom in verse 27.

Revelation 13:5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Michael has had to deal with Satan, for a long time!
By the way Michael is THE ONLY ARCHANGEL.

 

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Michael has had to deal with Satan, for a long time!
Jude 9: 9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, THE LORD REBUKE THEE.

I remember Jesus, saying the same thing to Satan, after being tempted by him in the wilderness. He offered the Lord, things of the Earth that he, Satan owned otherwise it would not have been a temptation.

Jesus, from memory has about 28 names, one of which nobody knows, but ‘Michael, the Prince of thy people.’ I believe through study that He is none other than Jesus Himself and I have Bible for that.

Check out Hebrews, there is another name for our Lord!
See Hebrews 7: 1 – 3.

 

[Rafael]

So now there is only 7 weeks left.

Daniel 9: 26. And after sixty-two weeks, Messiah will be cut off, but not Himself.”
“And the people of a coming prince shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
“And its end with the flood, and ruins are determined, until the end war.”

Seven sevens are left - 49 years. What do you think the year of Jubilee and the fall festivals have to do with end times? I see that Jesus followed the spring festivals to the day in the passover feast right up to the loaves waved before the Lord at Penecost... any thoughts, especially the year of Jubilee which happens on the 50th year following the 49?

 

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Seven sevens are left - 49 years. What do you think the year of Jubilee and the fall festivals have to do with end times? I see that Jesus followed the spring festivals to the day in the passover feast right up to the loaves waved before the Lord at Penecost... any thoughts, especially the year of Jubilee which happens on the 50th year following the 49?

Hi there Rafael, I hope you are feeling well in His care and that your family are all well too, I must thank you for the questions. I’m sorry that I have not been able to get back to you I have just finished building a windmill to get off having to rely on electricity.
I have built a glasshouse and will need the water from the springs.

Firstly let me show you why I personally no longer accept a period of quote ‘Seven sevens are left - 49 years’ having anything to do with
Dan 9: 24 – 27.
Please understand that this is only my opinion and I’m not saying anyone else is wrong or right in whatever they believe.
I only use capitals for emphasis only, so please don’t be offended.
As we studied earlier, on this subject of Daniel 8: we had the vision of the Ram/Iraq and Iran and the ‘HE GOAT called ‘Javan’ in verse 4 to 8, who vanquishes the ram.

I used The following to show that ‘Javan’ means Gentile Nations or could be translated as being Westerners.
Geneses 10: 4. And the sons of JAVAN; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5. By these were the isles of the GENTILES DIVIDED IN THEIR LANDS; EVERY ONE AFTER HIS TONGUE, after their families, IN THEIR NATIONS.

There is more Rafael, but to save time, so to verse 13 of Dan 8: Where the question was asked ‘how long the vision which as I pointed out speaks of ‘the Place Of The Daily’ not (sacrifice) the word (((Sacrifice))) is in italics showing that the translators added it.
There is a problem with the translation of Daniel 8: 13 also.
The word (SACRIFICE) was added by translators because of their preconceived ideas and when we see how bad this is and the distortion it creates, then we will see Rev 22: 18 – 19 with different eyes and with greater concern for those that do this.

The word ‘SACRIFICE’ is written in italics showing clearly that it was added to Daniel 8: 11 – 13. Now read it ignoring that word (((sacrifice))) which I have bracketed to make the point.

It should read ‘the place of the Daily was taken away.
Daniel 8: 11. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily (((sacrifice))) was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12. And an host was given him against the daily ((( sacrifice ))) by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Daniel 8: 13. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning THE DAILY (((sacrifice,))) and the transgression of desolation, to give both the SANCTUARY and the HOST to be trodden under foot?

The question relates to HOW LONG is THE VISION, CONCERNING the place of the ‘DAILY, SANCTUARY and HOST being trodden under foot.

Dan 8: 14. And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND and THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the SANCTUARY SHALL BE CLEANSED.

That vision, is no longer than six and a bit years, or within the 7th year.
Dan 8: 16. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

The angel Gabriel makes the time span of the vision, plain and he places the vision at ‘THE TIME OF THE END’ and ‘LAST END’ in verses 17 and 19.
Dan 8: 17. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the TIME OF THE END shall be THE VISION.
18. Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

Dan 8: 19. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at THE TIME APPOINTED THE END shall be.

That last verse of Daniel 8: 19 points to the ‘TIME APPOINTED THE END’ which relates to Rev 10: 6.

Rev 10: 6. “And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, THAT THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER:”
Keep Rev chapter 10 and verse 6 and 7 in mind as we move on.

Rev 10: 7. But in the days of the VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be FINISHED, as he hath DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS AND THE PROPHETS.

It was in Dan 8: and verse 27 that Daniel, makes it absolutely clear that he hasn’t got a clue as to what the vision or the explanation of it meant.
Dan 8: 27. And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but NONE UNDERSTOOD it.

So we have a vision no longer than SEVEN YEARS.
Which belonging to ‘THE TIME OF THE END’ and ‘LAST END.’

Yet Daniel said ‘I was astonished at the vision, but NONE UNDERSTOOD it.’

Within Daniel, 9: 20 as Daniel, states “I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel,”
The Angel Gabriel appears to Daniel, quote, “TO GIVE THEE SKILL AND UNDERSTANDING.”
Quote. “THEREFORE UNDERSTAND THE MATTER, AND CONSIDER THE VISION.”

Dan 9: 22. “And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth TO GIVE THEE SKILL AND UNDERSTANDING.”
Dan 9: 23. “At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I AM COME TO SHEW thee; for thou art greatly beloved: THEREFORE UNDERSTAND THE MATTER, AND CONSIDER THE VISION.”
The angel came to show Daniel the vision that he did not understand recorded as Dan 8: which is shorter than 7 years.

Now Rafael, to make my point.
If the chezev/vision/s of chapters seven and eight, are only six and a bit years long or shorter than 7.
Which is stated by Gabriel himself, so I’m not changing anything here. Then my question must be, how can the explanation of that same vision of Daniel 8: Given within Daniel 9: 24 – 27 be longer than a less than 7 year time span of 2300 ereb boqer?

How can the explanation of the vision, contain quote, ‘Seven sevens are left - 49 years?’
No matter what anybody says about the vision it must fit within that limited time span of that vision’s less than 7 year time span.

So on that biblical basis, these following verses must be read as they appear, on a weekly basis, then down to a 3 ½ day period.
Dan 9: 25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9: 26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9: 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many FOR ONE WEEK: and IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined.

The explanation of the vision of Daniel 8: given in chapter 9: by the angel Gabriel, has a restricted time span of no longer than 7 years in which ‘49 years’ cannot fit.
It is no coincidence that the two witnesses are killed in that same last week.
So what covenant is to be confirmed in the middle of the last week?

Now I quoted this following verse earlier.
Quote. “Rev 10: 7. But in the days of the VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be FINISHED, as he hath DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS AND THE PROPHETS.” Unquote.

The promise is sweet but the tribulation is bitter.
Rev 10: 9. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

I want to keep Rev 10: 9 in the back of my mind.

Now we have ‘THE PLACE OF THE DAILY’ which is THE OUTER COURT of the Temple yet to be built. Which is the FIRST CONNECTION.

Rev 11: 1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11: 2. BUT THE COURT WHICH IS WITHOUT THE TEMPLE LEAVE OUT, and measure it not; for IT IS GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY TWO MONTHS.

Note we have the time span of FORTY TWO MONTHS. the SECOND CONNECTION with Dan 12: 7. Mark 13: 14.
Luke 21: 20, 21, 22. 2.

Rev 11: 7. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and KILL THEM.

I have a pretty good idea what Satan confirmed within that last week.
Rev 11: 9. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

 

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Rev 11: 10. And they that dwell upon the earth SHALL REJOICE over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11: 11. And AFTER THREE AND AN HALF DAYS the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Now we have the TIME OF THE END. which occurs at THE SEVENTH TRUMPET, THE VOICE OF GOD. That is LINK THREE.
Rev 11: 12. And they heard A GREAT VOICE FROM HEAVEN saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15. AND THE SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME the kingdoms OF OUR LORD, and OF HIS CHRIST Christ; and HE SHALL REIGN FOR EVER.

The fact that the seventh trumpet is blown tells me clearly that it is the same last week of the seventy in Dan 9: 27 and that confirmation is made by killing the two witnesses but note how everybody will be celebrating for 3 ½ days.
That brings us back to.
Quote. “Rev 10: 7. But in the days of the VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be FINISHED, as he hath DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS AND THE PROPHETS.” Unquote.
Why two witnesses? See Deuteronomy 17: 6. and 19: 15.
What happens when people simply change the words of days into years by ignoring the fact that the vision is within the future ‘time of the end’ and ‘last end’?
They then apply the decree of Cyrus in Ezra 5: 13. “But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree to build this house of God.” To that of Daniel, forgetting that Daniel is the explanation of the vision that only lasts 23 ereb boqer, yet the spread it over a much longer period, which invalidates their hypothesis biblically.

9: 25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

“King Cyrus made a decree to BUILD THIS HOUSE OF GOD "
Daniel said “the commandment to RESTORE AND TO BUILD JREUSALEM."
Both, are different and are at DIFFERENT TIMES. One at the time of King Cyrus and the other is at just before the last trumpet of God.

Even when people use both Ezekiel 4: 6 and Numbers 14: 34. To try and somehow justify some so called ‘day for a year principal’ they should take a real close look at Numbers 14: 34 because it says the opposite to Ezekiel 4: 6.

These to verses have no connection whatsoever, they are oxymoron’s.

Ezekiel 4: 6. “Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.

5. For I have laid upon thee THE YEARS OF THEIR INIQUITY, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah FORTY DAYS:
I have appointed thee EACH DAY FOR A YEAR.

The above states that he shall bear ONE DAY FOR EACH YEAR!
Yet below we have them bearing FORTY YEARS FOR FORTY DAYS OF SIN, which makes it ONE YEAR FOR EACH DAY!

Numbers 14: 34. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, SHALL YE BEAR YOUR INIQUITIES, even FORTY YEARS, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Two opposite samples which used within context makes sense, but when pulled out and applied to unrelated texts, which is a forced reading of them and an application, a construct and is therefore made biblically unsound.

An example of applying unrelated verses to make them somehow fit a preconceived notion is easy, and as you are well aware causes a distortion. Let me give you an exaggerated example of that.
2 Samuel 17: 23. And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his ass, and arose, and gat him home to his house, to his city, and put his household in order, and HANGED HIMSELF, and died, and was buried in the sepulchre of his father.
Judges 7: 17. And he said unto them, LOOK ON ME, and DO LIKEWISE: and, behold, when I come to the outside of the camp, it shall be, AS I DO YE SHALL DO.

Matt 27: 5. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

A simple ‘tongue in cheek’ point Rafael.


The problem is that it does not stop there. Once people start changing one thing like days into years they do it to everything they can lay their hands on, such as the 2300 days of Daniel 8: 14. They do this with the 1335 days and 1290 days of Daniel 12: 11, 12.
They do it with the time, times and an half of Daniel 7: 25 and Daniel 12: 7. Then there is Revelation 11: 3, 9. 12: 6, 14.
The thing that gets to me is that we are told of the consequences of doing this yet they go on blissfully doing it all based on an idea.

Rev 22: 18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22: 19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Dear Rafael, would you please like to put forward your ideas about the Passover and seven years and Jubilee?
I would appreciate that because I have so much to do.

I have to go and try to become self sufficient so that when America and Britain, ‘the lion with eagle’s wings’ attack Iran, the higher horn that comes up last on the Ram, I can then quickly get my sons and my brothers and other family members here, where they can be growing food and have water freely.

I am really concerned that we at least get a head start.
I left the city life years ago for this moment and now it is starting with the pages of Daniel, slowly turning I have a feeling of urgency about it.
Your Brother in Jesus.
PC.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hi Prophey Countdown!
I appreciate your detailed posts about Daniel's prophecy of end time events. I believe your insight is correct.

However, I am confused about your expectation to remain on the planet until Jesus' feet touch the Mount of Olives. Are you saying that there is no "Catching away", "blessed hope" or "rapture" as some call it?

If you think that 1 Thess. 4:16 & 17 happens when he returns to the earth, then why are we rising up and meeting him in the clouds? Just to turn around and come back down?

I truly believe that Jesus will appear and catch away those who believe in him in their hearts before the madness begins based on scripture. We are His bride.
Song of Solomon 2 is another description of Jesus calling his bride to him. There are examples of God taking people out before he poured out his wrath...Noah, Lot.
There are also examples of "catching away" in Enoch, Elijah, Jesus, Paul (2 Cor 12), John (rev 4:1) and the Two Witnesses.

Why do we long for our Heavenly dwelling (2 Cor 5) if earth is our hope? Personally, my hope is there with Him.

Further, and slightly off topic, someone said in an earler post in this thread that we've been in the "last days" for 2000 years. One thing I love about the Bible is it's layers, depth and breadth. "Last Days" has more than one meaning yet means the same thing. It's true we've been in the last days for 2000 years but there's more to it than that. There's deeper truth to that statement. For example: 1000 years = 1 day to God, so there's been 2 days since Jesus on God's calender. Also, there are final days prophecied in the end times also called the last days, meaning actual days and years just before the return of the Lord Jesus where people are behaving badly and God pours out His wrath.

The Bible is truly a living document that interacts with you spiritually. I'm in awe!

In these last days, it seems that God is revealing an understanding of events and prophecy to believers but only a part. Some understand some things, but not all. Others understand other things, but are not clear on some things. We truly are a body made up of many parts!

YSIC,
Jennifer

 

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Hi Prophey Countdown!
I appreciate your detailed posts about Daniel's prophecy of end time events. I believe your insight is correct.

However, I am confused about your expectation to remain on the planet until Jesus' feet touch the Mount of Olives. Are you saying that there is no "Catching away", "blessed hope" or "rapture" as some call it?

If you think that 1 Thess. 4:16 & 17 happens when he returns to the earth, then why are we rising up and meeting him in the clouds? Just to turn around and come back down?

I truly believe that Jesus will appear and catch away those who believe in him in their hearts before the madness begins based on scripture. We are His bride.
Song of Solomon 2 is another description of Jesus calling his bride to him. There are examples of God taking people out before he poured out his wrath...Noah, Lot.
There are also examples of "catching away" in Enoch, Elijah, Jesus, Paul (2 Cor 12), John (rev 4:1) and the Two Witnesses.

Why do we long for our Heavenly dwelling (2 Cor 5) if earth is our hope? Personally, my hope is there with Him.

Further, and slightly off topic, someone said in an earler post in this thread that we've been in the "last days" for 2000 years. One thing I love about the Bible is it's layers, depth and breadth. "Last Days" has more than one meaning yet means the same thing. It's true we've been in the last days for 2000 years but there's more to it than that. There's deeper truth to that statement. For example: 1000 years = 1 day to God, so there's been 2 days since Jesus on God's calender. Also, there are final days prophecied in the end times also called the last days, meaning actual days and years just before the return of the Lord Jesus where people are behaving badly and God pours out His wrath.

The Bible is truly a living document that interacts with you spiritually. I'm in awe!

In these last days, it seems that God is revealing an understanding of events and prophecy to believers but only a part. Some understand some things, but not all. Others understand other things, but are not clear on some things. We truly are a body made up of many parts!

YSIC,
Jennifer

Hi there Jennifer, I thank you for taking the time in writing your ideas and questions for which I am grateful.
I am sorry for the long delay.

I have really had to think, that their surely must be an easier way of answering your question about the time sequence of the tribulation, and resurrection.
For centuries there have been some, that have never ever been ready for or able to handle the BITTER SWEET ‘time of the end’ prophecies and I understand that position. We all want to be out of trouble’s way, that’s what makes us human.
However not to the extent within the following.

Isaiah 30: 10. Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
11. Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

We may not like what the Bible says but it has a habit of telling us the truth and we all have the added responsibility of 2 Timothy 2: 15.

I am not saying that there is no resurrection or ‘blessed hope’ that would be unbiblical. In fact I agree with you, that we are to be raised, for as you rightly say that is our ‘blessed hope.’

Some of the Saints, were raised at the resurrection in Matt 27: 52, 53.
There is nothing unusual about the ‘Resurrection Of Life,’ raising His children, or that He should take some of them straight to Heaven.
But remember as we have studied, two of them are to return and face Satan. in Jerusalem.

Please note Jennifer, that capitals are used for emphasis only.

In Daniel 7: 17. The lion, bear, leopard, powers join the fourth beast with the mortal wound to become the 4th beast power, See Rev 13: 2 where Satan, the dragon gives the beast with the mortal wound power for 42 months. See Rev 13: 5.
The fourth beast power is the last power on Earth, FOR ONLY 42 MONTHS, before the SECOND ADVENT and then we will be part of the everlasting Kingdom of God.

Daniel 7: 17. “These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.”

Daniel 7: 18. “But the saints of the most High shall TAKE THE KINGDOM, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.”

Now remembering that Daniel 7 is an OVERVIEW and therefore is not too detailed about the TIMING.
It is the TIMING of the ‘rapture,’ also called ‘the second advent’ or ‘resurrection unto life’ that you and I are after, we need to pin point the sequence of events.

This is what the Bible, states about the TIMING of events.

Daniel 7: 20. “And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of THAT HORN that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.”

Daniel 7: 21. “ I beheld, and THE SAME HORN MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND PREVAILED AGAINST THEM;”

Daniel 7: 22. “UNTIL THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME, and JUDGMENT was given to the SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH; and THE TIME CAME THAT THE SAINTS POSSESSED THE KINGDOM.”

It seems we are to stay around for the tribulation from the above verse 21 until judgment is given to the Saints and then we are to ‘posses’ the kingdom.

Daniel 7: 23. “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and SHALL DEVOUR THE WHOLE EARTH, and SHALL TREAD IT DOWN, and break it in pieces.”

The fact that the Saints, are to be ill treated is repeated in the following verse, only the time span of it is given as 3 ½ years.

Daniel 7: 25. “And HE SHALL SPEAK WORDS AGAINST THE MOST HIGH, and SHALL WEAR OUT THE SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO HIS HAND UNTIL A TIME AND TIMES and the DIVIDING OF TIMES.”
As I said the above speaks of 3 ½ years. This is close to Daniel 12: 12 where the time to get through is said to be 1335 days, before God’s people receive their promised blessing in Rev 19: 1 to 10 at the wedding supper just after they are raised.

Please note, that it is after the wedding supper in Rev 19: 10 to 21 that the Saints, will take the kingdom of Earth, as part of God’s great Heavenly army fighting the Armageddon battle.

Daniel 7: 26. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
It is Satan’s kingdom that is taken away.
Daniel 7: 27. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28. Hitherto is the end of the matter.

 

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THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE LITTLE HORN AS SATAN.

Rev 12: 3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a GREAT RED DRAGON, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4. And his tail drew the THIRD PART OF THE STARS of heaven, and did CAST THEN TO THE EARTH: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
The dragon casts out the stars from heaven.
Please see Rev 1: 20. Where angels are called stars.

Now see the little horn doing the same thing in Daniel 8: 9. “And out of one of them came forth a LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.”

Daniel 8: 10. “And waxed great to the Host of Heaven. CAST DOWN STARS & HOST FROM HEAVEN & STAMPED ON THEM.”

Please see Rev 12: 9. to identify the dragon as Satan and as the ‘LITTLE HORN.’
So this seems to be the order of things so far.
Satan after being cast out ( Rev 12: 9. ) of Heaven will appear on Earth, to give the fallen angel with the mortal wound a seat and power for 42 months.
The same words are repeated in Revelation about Satan, who MAKES WAR with the Saints
Rev 10: 5. “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS.”

Rev 10: 6. “And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.”

Rev 10: 7. “And it was given unto him to MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND TO OVERCOME THEM: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


Please consider the timing of these events that are repeated in the Bible many times.
Rev 12: 9. And the great dragon WAS CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.

Rev 12: 10. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren IS CAST DOWN, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12: 11. “And THEY OVERCAME HIM BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY; and THEY LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH.”

Rev 12: 12. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
WOE UNTO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH and of the sea! for THE DEVIL IS COME DOWN UNTO YOU, having GREAT WRATH, because he knoweth that he hath but A SHORT TIME.”

3 ½ years is not long.
Please note the woman and what she must go through.

Rev 12: 13. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rev 12: 14. “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that SHE MIGHT FLY INTO THE WILDERNESS, into her place, where she is nourished for a TIME, and TIMES, and HALF A TIME, FROM THE FACE OF THE SERPENT.”

The term ‘waters ‘are used to explain peoples, nations.
Rev 12: 15. “And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.”

Rev 12: 16. “And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12: 17. “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and WENT TO MAKE WAR WITH THE REMNANT OF HER SEED, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS.”

Whilst all of this is coming down, we also have the following occurring.

Rev 11: 2. “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY TWO MONTHS."
Rev 11: 3. “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth.”

That’s about 3 ½ years.
The two witnesses will witness until the last trumpet in Rev 11: 15. “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Note that the beast running the fourth beast power is only given a time of 42 months, the same time span within the last part of the 2300 days.

Rev 13: 4. “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”
Rev 13: 5. “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him TO CONTINUE FORTY TWO MONTHS.”

 

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Matt 24: 22. “And except those days should be shortened, there should NO FLESH BE SAVED: BUT FOR THE ELECT’S SAKE THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED.”

Daniel 12: 7. “And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a TIME, TIMES, and AN HALF; and WHEN HE SHALL HAVE ACCOMPLISHED TO SCATTER THE POWER OF THE HOLY PEOPLE, ALL THESE things SHALL BE FINISHED.”

Daniel 10: 1. I Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and THE THING TRUE, but the TIME appointed LONG: and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING, and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.
Recalling back to Daniel 7: 8: 9: it is not difficult to see as to what he Daniel, was referring.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,”
“but the TIME appointed LONG:”
“and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING,”
“and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE VISION.”

From The Interlinear Translation Bible.
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev.”

Daniel 10: 2, In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

Jesus and the Ancient of Days, and myriads of angels will return at trumpet seven, which is when the tribulation ends at the end of the 1260 days plus 3 ½ days that they, the two witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem, after being killed by Satan.

Then the two witnesses are then raised 3 ½ days later as we have seen in Rev 11: 15. at trumpet seven and if we read in 1 Co 15: 51. “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,”

52. “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the DEADE SHALL BE RAISED incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
See also verses 53 to 57.

Another thing is that God’s people are to be sealed before God’s wrath upon those with the mark of the beast begins.
Rev 9: 4. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD in their foreheads.

Another verse showing that both righteous and unrighteous will remain throughout the time of the end is as follows.
Matt 13: 29. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the TARES, ye root up also the WHEAT WITH THEM.

30. LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTILL THE HARVEST: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

You mention Noah, well Noah spent 120 years building that ark look at the type of persecution he had to suffer firstly before he could escape that flood. They treated him, like someone out of his mind. Why should it be that we are not to be treated in like manner before His wrath falls upon those that reject Him?
Lot lost his wife she looked back another hefty price for a man that loved his wife.

There is another verse that says Matt 16: 25. “For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.”
Most of the Disciples, lost their lives but saved them for eternity.

Jennifer, you mention the following people.
“There are also examples of "catching away" in Enoch, Elijah, Jesus, Paul (2 Cor 12), John (rev 4:1) and the Two Witnesses.” Unquote.

I agree that yes there are those that are taken up but you quote Elijah, I have biblical proof that he will be one of the witnesses. As Jesus said “it cannot be that a Prophet die outside Jerusalem.”

Malachi 4: 5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: Malachi 4: 6. “And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH with a curse.”

The other witness is Moses and he was also taken up.

Deut 18: 18. “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
Deut 18: 19. “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

Acts 7: 37. “This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.”

And if you read John 1: look at the questions they asked John the Baptist, they asked him are you Elijah ‘are you THAT PROPHET’ and ask any Jew and he will tell you that, ‘that prophet’ means Moses.

The Jews knew that Moses and Elijah, would precede the coming of Messiah.
Both Elijah and Mosses will face death in Jerusalem, soon.


I wish that I did not have to tell you these things, but what would you have me do Sister Jennifer, ignore your questions because I may think you weak? Which I certainly do not.

Along with our many Brothers and Sisters we have the promise of a new heaven and Earth, See Rev 21. We want this for our loved ones and that is right and good.
It is not what evil men can do to us that should make us fear, but that we are found worthy to escape the wrath of God.
Luke 21: 24. “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
When Jesus was faced with His crucifixion Peter, did not want it to occur and Jesus reacted swiftly. See Matt 16; 21 – 24.

Sister Jennifer, quote.
“Further, and slightly off topic, someone said in an earler post in this thread that we've been in the "last days" for 2000 years.”

I remember that quote and I did answer it.
The 2300 ereb/evening boqer/morning, were used within creation week see Gen 1: 1 to 31. 2: 1. Where the words ereb boqer are used for each rotation of the planet Earth, being an evening and morning and cannot be translated into years.
The 2300 ereb boqer spoken of in Daniel 8” verse 14 is the visions restricted time span of evening morning.
‘The time of the end’ in Daniel 8: 17 and ‘last end’ are mentioned within that time span and Daniel 9: 10: 11: and 12: and are all within that time frame.
I’m not just saying it, the angel Gabriel and the Lord, are saying it.
I don’t like it, but what can I do, this is scary stuff and not many are able to bear it.

Sister Jennifer, quote.
“The Bible is truly a living document that interacts with you spiritually. I'm in awe!” Unquote.

Good for you, Jennifer, I can see that you are one with the Lord and that you, like us all, keep wanting for His soon return and what an overwhelming joy for us all to see Him, with the Ancient of Days returning with millions upon millions of angles to lift us up off this planet.
But when we return for Armageddon the boot will be well and truly on the other foot.
But how saddening it is for all those that will be fooled by Satan, It is heart breaking to know that some we love dearly will be lost, this and is a burden for us all to bear, and to tell all.

We are so near these times and this is THE ONLY opportunity to prove our loyalty to our Master, for eternity and is such a small price to pay for Him, yet we are told some of us will escape these things, that is why I left the city many years ago.

Sister Jennifer, quote.
”In these last days, it seems that God is revealing an understanding of events and prophecy to believers but only a part. Some understand some things, but not all. Others understand other things, but are not clear on some things. We truly are a body made up of many parts! Unquote.
YSIC,
Jennifer
Yes we are just a part of the body dear Sister Jennifer, but TOGETHER with our Lord and the outpouring of the Holy spirit through the latter rain we will be strong in the word and a mighty people for the word of God and we through the power of Holy Spirit, will bring many to salvation in His name and for His glory.

When you see the abomination of desolation get out into the wilderness areas away from the cities with friends of like mind.
Be strong my Sister, we are all in this together.
Jesus, will shorten this time for our sakes.
I’m not the only one scared here because Daniel, was sick for three whole weeks when the penny dropped because he loved his people so very much and war on them was concerning to Daniel.
Surely I’m not the only scared chicken in town, with knocking knees.
Or am I?
Maranatha in Jesus.
PC.

 

[AllForJesus]

I really like to know if your god(because for sure it's not mine) prefer people on others?! and thank you

 

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I really like to know if your god(because for sure it's not mine) prefer people on others?! and thank you

Hi AllForJesus, I don't understand your question, or was it a statement?
Would you please rearticulate it so that others and I can understand your point in detail.
Also you posted withm 18 minutes from my first post out of three replying to Jennifer.
That was very fast to condider all the details that were posted.

I think you are asking about my God?
My God, is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
He is the Creator.
He is the Beginning and End.
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The ALL MIGHTY GOD.
Who gave His only begotten Son for us.
He will return and raise His people, so that they will be with Him, within His everlasting kingdom, free at last.

Maranatha.
PC

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Thank you for your kind reply, "Prophecy Countdown".
There is scripture that seems to support a differentiation of people.
Jesus said that there are "other" sheep (Gentiles) which are not of "this fold" (Jews) which must be brought together. So, in my study of God's Word, it seems to me that He has created for Himself a body of believers which are both Jews and Gentiles. These are the one's whose heart is dedicated to Jesus and who are longing for the blessed hope.
So, if the rapture happens to spare us (who've chosen to believe now) from the wrath to come, then, afterwards, there will be people who decide that Jesus is real and then become believers but who will then have to endure through the final seven years. If God is going to be protecting a remnant of Jews in the desert while the antichrist is reaking havoc, wouldn't it seem logical that he would've also protected his bride?
Upon further thought, I read somewhere (although not in the Bible) that Noah didn't want to marry and have children because he knew about the flood coming. In a way, I feel the same way. I mean, if there's no "blessed hope" until after the wrath, antichrist, bedlam, then why did I get married and have children? I knew from Bible prophecy that it's coming and it's going to be terrible leaving only about 1/4 of the earth's population alive. I don't want my family torn apart, beaten, killed, in hiding or dodging the antichrist for 7 years. I fully expect to be spared and kept safe from the coming wrath because he said we are not appointed to wrath. He also said he'd come back and take us to be with Him! I believe that with all my heart! My blessed hope is in Him and his promises!

 

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Hi there HisdaughterJen, please, you do not have to thank me for being kind to you.
It is how I should be toward you.
I would love to be able to say to you that we are all going to be lifted before the tribulation, but from the few Bible passages that I have shown here, that may not to be the case.

Mind you, if you could find a verse that confirms your ideas, you will make me a very glad and happy man indeed.

I do not want to scare anybody, especially you because you seem very concerned, but what do I do, say nothing?
Let me tell you why I do this and then maybe you can find it in your heart to forgive me a little and understand my concerns.

The problem is, some of the Lord’s children expect Jesus, to return before Satan’s arrival, to lift them up before the tribulation.
However when Michael/Jesus, casts Satan out of Heaven to the Earth, we really do need to know about it and to warn others that it is Satan that turns up first.
Rev 12: 7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

God’s people will be given help.
14. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is Satan’s bold plan, told by God.

Isaiah 14: 12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17. That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Jesus said in Matt 24: 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT’S SAKE those days shall be shortened.

23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27. FOR AS LIGHTNING COMETH OUT OF THE EAST, and shineth even unto the west; SO SHALL THE COMING OF THE SON OD MAN BE.

What if some, waiting for their Lord to return and believing it is the resurrection time, when suddenly Satan appears as an angel of light and they mistakenly think that He is Jesus?

This is how Satan will look.
2 Corinthians 11: 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11: 15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The counterfeit will appear first before Jesus returns.
Jesus will appear at the time of the voice of the seventh trumpet see Rev 11: 15 which is at the time of the end of the tribulation period.
The Lord will not abandon us.

That is my main concern HisdaughterJen, that Satan does not fool anyone by his lies.
We can have our differences HisdaughterJen, and I respect your views.
But be aware of the timing of these events so that you can take care of your loved ones.
Your servant in Jesus.

PC.

 

[Stephen1]

"I fully expect to be spared and kept safe from the coming wrath because he said we are not appointed to wrath. He also said he'd come back and take us to be with Him! I believe that with all my heart! My blessed hope is in Him and his promises!"

Your expectations are fully warranted. He has promised. Those who refute this promise should consider.

You were bought with a price paid in full with one sacrifice and along with it there came a warranty only He could make. But there is a chance that if you wait you might find out that it's too late .... and that's one chance you never want to take.

You are on the right road.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

I really like to know if your god(because for sure it's not mine) prefer people on others?! and thank you

Dear Sister AllForJesus. Even though your above statement was unclear to me, I answered it the best way I could with these following words.

Quote. “ I think you are asking about my God?”
“My God, is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”
“He is the Creator.”
“He is the Beginning and End.”
“The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”
“The ALL MIGHTY GOD.”
“Who gave His only begotten Son for us.”
“He will return and raise His people, so that they will be with Him, within His everlasting kingdom free from death.”
Dear Sister AllForJesus.
I have just received your private message below.

“Private message.”
“From : AllForJesus”
“To : Prophecy Countdown”
“Date : 2007-03-16 04:16”
“Title :Hey”
“I am CHRISTIAN and i'm ARAB! deal with it! God loves me as He loves you and wont vanish me!!and not because ur brom in the UK that God will portect you and wont protect me! Listen I hold to my christianity more than you do! i live it, not philosophe it!!
I'm sorry if i seem very rude but i really feel that ppl don't undersand us!
Sister in Christ AFJ “

Dear AllForJesus I have no idea why you would send me such a message.
I have never said anything about how God, would do the things that you suggest.
I have never said that God, loves one person more than another based on their ethnicity or place of birth.
You said that quote. “Listen I hold to my christianity more than you do!” Unquote.

Then I say, you are truly blessed my dear Sister in Jesus and I am glad for your strength of faith being much greater than mine.

You also state quote. “I'm sorry if i seem very rude but i really feel that ppl don't undersand us!
Sister in Christ AFJ” unquote.

Please don’t apologies, it really is not necessary. If I have done anything that has hurt your feelings I apologies unreservedly.
I am concerned that I may have offended you and that was and is not my intent.
Your brother in Jesus.
PC

 

[66books]

“I am CHRISTIAN and i'm ARAB! deal with it! God loves me as He loves you and wont vanish me!!and not because ur brom in the UK that God will portect you and wont protect me! Listen I hold to my christianity more than you do! i live it, not philosophe it!!
I'm sorry if i seem very rude but i really feel that ppl don't undersand us!
Sister in Christ AFJ “

rev6 ;9
after this i beheld,and lo,a great multitude,which no man could number,of all NATIONS, and KINDREDS,and PEOPLE,and TONGUES,stood before the throne,and before the LAMB,clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.
rev6;10
and cried with a loud voice,saying,SALVATION TO OUR GOD WHICH SITTETH UPON THE THRONE,AND UNTO THE LAMB.

 

[icedtea]

"I fully expect to be spared and kept safe from the coming wrath because he said we are not appointed to wrath. He also said he'd come back and take us to be with Him! I believe that with all my heart! My blessed hope is in Him and his promises!"

Your expectations are fully warranted. He has promised. Those who refute this promise should consider.

You were bought with a price paid in full with one sacrifice and along with it there came a warranty only He could make. But there is a chance that if you wait you might find out that it's too late .... and that's one chance you never want to take.

You are on the right road.

I find myself agreeing with all of your posts. Keep looking up.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hi there HisdaughterJen, please, you do not have to thank me for being kind to you.
It is how I should be toward you.
I would love to be able to say to you that we are all going to be lifted before the tribulation, but from the few Bible passages that I have shown here, that may not to be the case.

Mind you, if you could find a verse that confirms your ideas, you will make me a very glad and happy man indeed.

I do not want to scare anybody, especially you because you seem very concerned, but what do I do, say nothing?
Let me tell you why I do this and then maybe you can find it in your heart to forgive me a little and understand my concerns.

The problem is, some of the Lord’s children expect Jesus, to return before Satan’s arrival, to lift them up before the tribulation.
However when Michael/Jesus, casts Satan out of Heaven to the Earth, we really do need to know about it and to warn others that it is Satan that turns up first.
Rev 12: 7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

God’s people will be given help.
14. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is Satan’s bold plan, told by God.

Isaiah 14: 12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17. That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Jesus said in Matt 24: 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT’S SAKE those days shall be shortened.

23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27. FOR AS LIGHTNING COMETH OUT OF THE EAST, and shineth even unto the west; SO SHALL THE COMING OF THE SON OD MAN BE.

What if some, waiting for their Lord to return and believing it is the resurrection time, when suddenly Satan appears as an angel of light and they mistakenly think that He is Jesus?

This is how Satan will look.
2 Corinthians 11: 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11: 15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The counterfeit will appear first before Jesus returns.
Jesus will appear at the time of the voice of the seventh trumpet see Rev 11: 15 which is at the time of the end of the tribulation period.
The Lord will not abandon us.

That is my main concern HisdaughterJen, that Satan does not fool anyone by his lies.
We can have our differences HisdaughterJen, and I respect your views.
But be aware of the timing of these events so that you can take care of your loved ones.
Your servant in Jesus.

PC.

It appears to me that the woman who is kept safe from the dragon is Israel.
That's why I think there's a differentiation of people. In the beginning of Revelation, Christ is talking to the church. Revelation also mentions those believers who come out of the tribulation, those who were beheaded, the 144,000, and the two witnesses. There's a bunch of different people with different fates. Which catagory does His bride fit into? I guess that's my ultimate question. Not everyone will have the same "fate"...some will be kept safe in the desert, some will be killed by the antichrist, some will get glorified bodies and be living in those rooms He's prepared for us. Some will be kept under the throne, some will be ruling and reigning.
It's true that Satan will rise before Jesus puts His feet on the Mount of Olives at the 2nd coming. Aren't we warning people now? Hasn't God told anyone who cares to read the New Testament that this is going to happen? The world has been warned. Some just choose to ignore it to their demise...sadly.
Personally, it's depressing to think that "when these things start to happen" (which they are), "look up for my redemption is drawing near" but it's still seven horrible years down the road. Where's the blessed hope in that? Seven years of hoping and praying that my family and the body of believers don't get beheaded or starved to death? Yikes!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

"I fully expect to be spared and kept safe from the coming wrath because he said we are not appointed to wrath. He also said he'd come back and take us to be with Him! I believe that with all my heart! My blessed hope is in Him and his promises!"

Your expectations are fully warranted. He has promised. Those who refute this promise should consider.

You were bought with a price paid in full with one sacrifice and along with it there came a warranty only He could make. But there is a chance that if you wait you might find out that it's too late .... and that's one chance you never want to take.

You are on the right road.

I hope so Steven! I must say that entertaining the thought that it won't happen until the end of the trib is disturbing. Why bother snatching us up if most of us have been starved and killed? Isn't the whole point of catching us away to be as a reward for loving Him and choosing Him now? Truly, what is the point or purpose of the rapture? I mean, we're all going to die and be with him someday anyway. Why have a rapture?

 

[icedtea]

I believe the tribulation is meant to wake up Israel, which, obviously, it does. It is not for the church. Though people will become christians during it.