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There is no doubt now. We should both prepare spiritually and physically. There is no pre-Trib rapture; it is only after the final seven years, so hold on folks for a bumpy ride. But the best ride of all.

Amen to that bkhoward2001, For all that is coming on this Earth. I say lets get it over with and like you, I look forward to the resurrection. When the Lord comes in the clouds at trumpet seven after the tribulation to redeem us.
I will see you there! Amen.

 

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quite biblical actually...for in the end times:

Sister Gwenyfur, I agree with you 100% and thankyou for reminding me of something that I must tell dividedsky.

Dividedsky,
Quote. “This prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago. The Spirit has been poured out to humanity. It's here. We are in the end times and have been for 2000 years.”

Gwenyfur is correct, because our Sister, no doubt knows that there are two outpourings of the Holy Spirit.
The first was given moderately to the children of Zion and was not given to all flesh in the first outpouring but only ‘moderately.’

Joel 2: 23. Be glad then, YE CHILDREN OF ZION, and rejoice in the LORD your GOD: FOR HE HATH GIVEN YOU THE FORMER RAIN MODERATELY, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, THE FORMER RAIN, and the latter rain in the first

That is what happened to the children of Zion, in that upper room where 120 of them were baptised with the Holy Spirit of God.
There were miracles after miracles where the dead were raised in the name of Jesus and conversions were by the thousands.

Joel, speaks of the latter rain to be given abundantly to ALL FLESH and that will occur at the time of the end also called the last days.
Joel 2: 28. And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, I will pour out my spirit UPON ALL FLESH; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30. And I WILL SHOW WONDERS IN THE HEAVENS and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAYS OF THE LORD COME.
Acts 2: 17 – 21. Peter quoted Joel 2: 28 why did he do that instead of Joel 2: 23? Because Peter believed that Jesus, would return soon. And nearly 2000 years later we know Peter, had the event right but not the timing.
Acts 1: 7. And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. Maranatha.
PC.

 

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Daniel was fulfilled thousands of years ago. Sorry. That was the end of the time of the Abrahamic covenant. That was the essential nature of what defined Israel. Daniel 12 speak of a nation not nations. It has nothing to do with Revelation though it is similair in its topic of prophesy. IMHO

Capitals used for emphasis only.

Gwyneddi
Quote, “Daniel was fulfilled thousands of years ago. Sorry. ”Unquote.

No Daniel was not fulfilled 2000 years ago. The angel Gabriel, states that the vision concerns ‘THE TIME OF THE END.’ And THE ‘LAST END’ in verses 17 and 19 of Daniel chapter 8.

Gwyneddi
Quote, “That was the end of the time of the Abrahamic covenant.”

We are not talking about Abraham. We are talking about the time of the end.

Gwyneddi
Quote, “ That was the essential nature of what defined Israel. Daniel 12 speak of a nation not nations. It has nothing to do with Revelation though it is similair in its topic of prophesy. IMHO.” Unquote.

If you want to define Israel’s nature, go and read the whole of Ezekiel 16:
As far as you stating ‘nation’ being used in isolation then to do that is to put the rest of Daniel, to one side.
There are many nations mentioned within the 2300 days Yavan/he goat/westerner, attacks Iraq the shorter horn then Iran the higher horn that has come up last.
We have the Lion GB, Bear, Russia, Leopard, nations and fourth beast with a mortal wound, a fallen angel that brings the three beasts together at the time of the end until God, sets up His kingdom and the Saints poses that everlasting kingdom.
The Saints are from every nation, to be gathered from throughout the Earth by the angels.
Daniel was concerned for his’ people and asked about them, that is why the angel used the term nation.
Also the promise of Abraham, was not received by Abraham, during his lifetime, that promise is to come.
This part of Daniel speaks of the PLACE OF THE DAILY. Not the (sacrifice) which is in italics, because it was added by the translators.

Daniel 12.11. “And from the time the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days”.
That is about three and a part years.
Now compare Revelation, speaking of the same place the ‘OUTER COURT’ and about the same span of time at the same time of the end period and events.

Rev 11: But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
That is also about three and a part years. The 'place of the daily' and 'outer court' are the same.

Please note that in verse 14 we have the seventh trumpet. It is called TIMING ‘the time of the end’ events, through scripture.
The Saints posses the kingdom just after the resurrection.

Rev 11: 14. And the seventh angel sounded; and THERE WERE GREAT VOICES IN HEAVEN, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Daniel is not limited to one nation. There was a promise of a blessing made.
In Daniel 12: 12. BLESSED is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
After the 1335 days, God’s people arrive at the wedding supper, where the blessing is to be received by EVERY NATION.
It is easy to bring Daniel and Revelation together in context and keeping the intent in focus.
Rev 19: 1 to 10.
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2. For true and righteous his judgments: for he hath judged the great harlot, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
As I said earlier, to identify the great harlot please read Ezekiel 16:

Rev 19: 3. And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Many waters stands for many nations.
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of MANY WATERS, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent REIGNETH.

7. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS.

9. And he saith unto me, Write, BLESSED are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
There in verse 9 is the promised blessing mentioned in Dan 12: 12.

The sequence of events are spectacularly accurate within Daniel and Revelation when brought together.
Let’s see the detail of what Daniel said first and then finish with Revelation 19. Please remember at the beginning of this thread, that the little horn was proven to be Satan.

Daniel 7. 11, I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the HORN spake: I beheld even till the BEAST WAS SLAIN, and HIS BODY destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The fallen angel with the mortal wound, whose BODY is about to be destroyed, will leave the lion, bear, and Leopard waiting for Armageddon.

Daniel 7. 12.
As concerning the REST OF THE BEASTS, they had THEIR dominion taken away: yet THEIR LIVES were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel 7. 13. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Now this is my point Daniel, is NOT only about one nation.
Note the events and at what time Jesus, is given back His kingdom.

Daniel 7. 14. And there was given him dominion, and GLORY, and a kingdom, that ALL PEOPLE, NATIONS, and LANGUAGES, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Now back to the same story only in Revelation
Rev 19. 10. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.

Rev 19. 11. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth JUDGE and MAKE WAR.

Rev 19. 12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19. 13. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The WORD OF GOD.

Rev 19. 14. And the ARMIES IN HEAVEN followed him upon white horses, CLOTHED IN FINE LINEN, WHITE and clean.

Rev 19. 15. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should SMITE THE NATIONS: and he shall rule them with a ROD OF IRON: and he treadeth the winepress of the FIERCENESS and WRATH of Almighty God.

Rev 19. 16. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Rev 19. 17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Rev 19. 18. That ye may eat the flesh of KINGS, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all free and bond, both small and great.

Rev 19. 19. And I SAW THE BEAST, AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, and their ARMIES, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19. 20. And THE BEAST WAS TAKEN, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the MARK OF THE BEAST, and them that worshipped his IMAGE.
THESE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone.
Here we are again back to the lion, bear and leopard remnant.

Rev 19. 21. And the remnant were SLAIN WITH THE SWORD of HIM that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Here’s what happens to Satan, called the ‘little horn.’ It is Abaddon/ Apollyon that Has that key to that pit from Rev 9: 1.

Rev 20: 1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the KEY TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20: 2. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

Rev 20: 3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The prophecy of Daniel, was not confined to one nation, that defies scripture.
May our Lord and our Father, bless us all in these biblically revealing times. Amen.
PC
All complaints about it being too long, please send to
Co the Beast and Little horn.
Post Office box 666.
At the bottomless pit.
In HELL.

 

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I believe in the Pre-Trib rapture. The great tribulation hasn't even started yet so I wouldn't say that there isn't one yet till the Tribulation actually starts. I mean the anti-christ hasn't even revealed himself yet so you cannot say that there is no pre-trib rapture yet,

Dear Jesusfreak0791 will you please consider these few things with your Bible? I would appreciate your time.
I do not wish to frighten anyone, because some are not able to bear this message.
Daniel, is a progression and expansion.
There is no rescue until after the tribulation according to scripture.
The Little horn/Satan will go after the Saints.
Please take your Bible and check out the timing and events.
Daniel 7: 25. Little HORN speaks against Most High. Wears out
the Saints for 3 ½ years, thinks to change laws &
times.
Daniel 7: 21. I beheld, and the same HORN MADE WAR with the
SAINTS, and PREVAILED against them;
Daniel 7: 22. Until Ancient of Days gives KINGDOM to Saints.
Daniel 7: 27. Saints given the KINGDOM.
Daniel 8: 24. He will prosper, be mighty by someone else’s power,.
and DESTROY a MIGHTY PEOPLE.
From The Interlinear Translation Bible.
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev/visions.”

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Matt 16: 25. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

How does one, get divided from God?

Matt 15: 8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7: 8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
When there is to be a falling away then be ready for the tribulation is near.

2 Thessalonians 2; 3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matthew 24: 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The problem is that if people believe in a ‘pre-tribulation rapture’ then when Satan, comes down to Earth imitating the Christ, the same may get caught by deceptions based on that misunderstanding.
The tribulation is the sign of HIS soon return is it not?
I am just trying to warn my Peers of hidden consequences based on misunderstandings I mean no offence.
Maranatha.
PC.

 

[BombShelterBob]

Amen to that bkhoward2001, For all that is coming on this Earth. I say lets get it over with and like you, I look forward to the resurrection. When the Lord comes in the clouds at trumpet seven after the tribulation to redeem us.
I will see you there! Amen.

Me too!

 

[ArnautDaniel]

I've come to the conclusion that "prophecy" is little more than a biblical Rorschach test -

What the person sees tells more about the person than about the text.

 

[jesusfreak0791]

Dear Jesusfreak0791 will you please consider these few things with your Bible? I would appreciate your time.
I do not wish to frighten anyone, because some are not able to bear this message.
Daniel, is a progression and expansion.
There is no rescue until after the tribulation according to scripture.
The Little horn/Satan will go after the Saints.
Please take your Bible and check out the timing and events.
Daniel 7: 25. Little HORN speaks against Most High. Wears out
the Saints for 3 ½ years, thinks to change laws &
times.
Daniel 7: 21. I beheld, and the same HORN MADE WAR with the
SAINTS, and PREVAILED against them;
Daniel 7: 22. Until Ancient of Days gives KINGDOM to Saints.
Daniel 7: 27. Saints given the KINGDOM.
Daniel 8: 24. He will prosper, be mighty by someone else’s power,.
and DESTROY a MIGHTY PEOPLE.
From The Interlinear Translation Bible.
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev/visions.”

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Matt 16: 25. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

How does one, get divided from God?

Matt 15: 8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7: 8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
When there is to be a falling away then be ready for the tribulation is near.

2 Thessalonians 2; 3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matthew 24: 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The problem is that if people believe in a ‘pre-tribulation rapture’ then when Satan, comes down to Earth imitating the Christ, the same may get caught by deceptions based on that misunderstanding.
The tribulation is the sign of HIS soon return is it not?
I am just trying to warn my Peers of hidden consequences based on misunderstandings I mean no offence.
Maranatha.
PC.

You still haven't convinced me. I mean of course there are gonna be Christians that loose there life in the tribulation that is due to the fact of the 144,000 and the two witnesses that come to the earth to proclaim Gods message to those who have been left behind and they give there lives to Christ and refuse to take the mark so therefore they are killed for it. found this on the internet. This pretty much states why I believe in the pre-tribulation Rapture.


50 Evidences for the Pre-Trib Rapture


Historical Doctrine of Imminency

1. The early church believed in the imminency of the Lord's return. While it can be debated which church father said what, there is a consistency in the early church on imminency which is essential to the pre-trib position and in opposition to some other positions.

2. The Pre-trib position is the ONLY one which truly teaches imminency.
3. The fact that there is a greater development of the doctrine in recent centuries does not preclude it from the early centuries. In the very early years of the church you see the development of great fundamentals doctrines of Trinity, Deity, God-man, canon of Scripture, etc. Following those early church councils is a time of decline in the corporate church into great apostasy. The teaching of that time are built on many of the heresies of Augustine. When the Reformation comes, there is a period of reestablishing the foundational doctrines of salvation. Now, in these last days there is both and ability and a need in the church to better understand the doctrines of eschatology and the Spirit is continuing His ministry of guiding the church in all truth.
4. The exhortation to be comforted by the "coming of the Lord" (1Thes 4:18) is valid only in the context of the pre-trib view. It could even be a fearsome thing in a post-trib view.
5. We are exhorted to look for the "Glorious Appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." (Titus 2:13) If there are any prophetic events (ie: tribulation) to come first, then this passage is nonsensical.
6. Again, we are to "purify ourselves" in view of his coming.(1 John 3:2-3) If his coming is not imminent then the passage is meaningless.
7. The church told *only* to look for the Coming of Christ. It is Israel and the tribulation saints that are told to look for signs.
Nature of the Church
(Those who do not understand the nature of the church as unique in the program of God will continually be confused about the nature of His coming for the church.)
8. The translation of the church is never mentioned in any context dealing with the second coming of Christ at the end of the Tribulation.
9. The church is "not appointed to wrath" (Rom 5:9; 1 Thes 1:9-10) The church cannot enter into the "great day of their wrath."
10. The Church will not be "overtaken by the Day of the Lord." (1 Thes 5:1-9) (Day of the Lord is another term for the great tribulation.)
11. The church will be "kept from the hour of testing that shall come upon all the world." (Rev. 3:10)
12. The believer will escape the tribulation (Luke 21:36).
13. It is in the character of God to deliver His own from the greatest times of trial. (Lot, Rahab. Israel, Noah,etc)
14. It is clear that there is a time interval between the translation of the church and the Return of Christ. (John 14:3)
15. Only the pre-trib position does not divide the Body of Christ on a works principle as does partial rapture does so clearly and others to a lesser extent. It becomes a climatic finale to the grand plan of salvation by grace alone.
16. The Scriptures are adamant that the church is undivided. In this age the church is divided by the continuing old nature in the believers. When we are glorified at the coming of Christ, the church is no more divided.
17. The godly remnant of the tribulation has the attributes seen in OT Israel and not the church. The church is not present in the prophecies of Revelation.
18. The pre-trib view, unlike the post-trib view does not confuse terms like elect and saints which apply to believers of all ages, as opposed to terms like church and in Christ, which apply only to those who are the body of Christ in this age.
The Work of the Holy Spirit
19. The Holy Spirit is the Restrainer of evil in the world. He cannot be taken out as prophesied unless the church which is indwelt by the Holy Spirit is taken out.
20. The Holy Spirit will be taken out before the "lawless one" is revealed. That lawless one will certainly be revealed in the tribulation. In fact, the tribulation begins with the signing of the covenant between that lawless one and Israel. That act will reveal him.
21. The "falling away" in 2 Thes 2:3 would better be understood in its context as "the departure." This is a reference to the departure of the Holy Spirit as He indwells the church.
22. The work of the Holy Spirit making the church like Christ where they submit to death and persecution, whereas the OT saints (see many of the Psalms) and the tribulations saints cry out for vengeance (Rev 6:10)
The Hermeneutical Argument
23. Only the pre-trib view allows for a truely literal interpretation in all of the OT & NT passages regarding the great tribulation.
24. Only the pre-trib position clearly distinguishes the church and Israel and God's dealing with each. The Necessity of an Interval of Time between the Rapture and the Second Coming
25. All believers must appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). This event is never mentioned in the account of events surrounding the second coming.
26. The "four and twenty elders" in rev 4:1-5:14 are representative of the church. Therefore it is necessary that the church, undivided, be brought to glory before those events of the tribulation.
27. There is clearly a coming of Christ for his bride before the second coming to earth. Rev 19:7-10.
28. Tribulation saints are not translated at the second coming of Christ but carry on ordinary activities. These specifically include farming, construction, and giving birth. (Is 65:20-25).
29. The Judgment of the Gentile nations following the second coming (Mat 25:31-46) indicates that both the saved and the lost are in a natural body which would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the second coming.
30. If the translation took place at the same time as the second coming, there would be no need to separating the sheep from the goats at the subsequent judgment. The act of the translation would be the separation.
31. The Judgment of Israel (Ez 20:34-38) occurs after the second coming and requires a regathered Israel. Again, the separation of the saved and the lost would be unnecessary if all the saved had previously been separated by a translation at the second coming.
Differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming.
32. At the Rapture, the church meets Christ in the air. At the second coming, Christ returns to the Mt of Olives.
33. At the time of the Rapture, the Mt of Olives is unchanged. At the second coming it is divided forming a valley east of Jerusalem.
34. At the time of the rapture, saints are translated. No saints are translated at the time of the second coming.
35. At the time of the rapture, the world is not judge for sin, but descends deeper into sin. At the second coming, the world is Judged by the King of kings.
36. The translation of the church is pictured as a deliverance from the day of wrath, whereas the coming of Christ is a deliverance for those who have suffered under severe tribulation.
37. The rapture is immanent whereas there are specific signs which precede the second coming.
38. The translation of living believers is a truth revealed only in the NT. The second coming with the events surrounding it is prominent in both OT and NT.
39. The rapture is only for the saved, while the tribulation and second coming deals with the entire world.
40. No unfulfilled prophecy stands between the church and the rapture. Many signs must be fulfilled before the second coming of Christ.
41. No passage in either OT or NT deals with the resurrection of the saints at the second coming nor mentions the translation of living saints at that same time.
The Nature of the Tribulation
42. Only the pre-trib view maintains the distinction between the "great tribulation" and the tribulations in general which we all experience.
43. The great tribulation is properly understood in the pre-trib view as a preparation for the restoration of Israel. (Deut 4:29-30. Jer 30:4-11, Dan 9:24-27, Dan 12:1-2)
44. Not one single passage in the OT which discusses the tribulation, mentions the church.
45. Not one single passage in the NT which discusses the tribulation, mentions the church.
46. In contrast to mid trib or pre-wrath views, the pre-trib view offers an adequate explanation for the beginning of the great tribulation in Rev 6. These others are clearly refuted by the plain teaching of Scripture that the great tribulation begins long before the 7th trumpet of Rev 11.
47. There is no proper groundwork provided that the 7th trumpet of Rev is the last trumpet of 1 Cor 15. It is accepted only on the basis of assumption. The pre-trib view maintains the proper distinction between the prophetic trumpets of the church and the trumpets of the tribulation.
48. The Unity of Daniel's 70th week is maintained by the pre-trib view. By contrast, the mid-trib view destroys the unity and confuses the program for Israel and the church. The post trib view usually denies the clear teaching of the 70th weeks by subverting it into some form or another of allegory.
49. The gathering of saints after the tribulation is done by angels whereas the gathering of the church is done by "The Lord Himself."
50. Rev 22:17-20 And the Spirit and the Bride say come. And he that heareth, let him say come ... He who testifieth of these things saith

"Yea, I come quickly, AMEN. COME LORD JESUS.​

 

[BombShelterBob]

I've come to the conclusion that "prophecy" is little more than a biblical Rorschach test -

Lots of people feel that way. There is a whole group of people called atheists that think the Bible is just the words of men, and have nothing to do with God. Really if you think about it. Did God ever actually flood the whole world? Did Meshack really get put in a furnace? Did The chief Priest really prophesy when he said the Jesus should die for the sin of man, or was it just written that way to make the story more interesting? Are these really the "Words of God" or just another story of old. I call myself Christian because, I believe.

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

It is required for salvation

I don't give a hang how the numbers come out, or what some briliant Scientist has discovered. I believe God. End of discussion. If there is a conflict then, God is right by default. His word is, "His Word", not the ranting of a story teller, "God's Word". It has survived the flood, and the fire. I believe it.

 

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Me too!

Yes Brother Bob, certainly you too and I look forward to our victory through Jesus.
Hang in there Brother.

 

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You still haven't convinced me. I mean of course there are gonna be Christians that loose there life in the tribulation that is due to the fact of the 144,000 and the two witnesses that come to the earth to proclaim Gods message to those who have been left behind and they give there lives to Christ and refuse to take the mark so therefore they are killed for it. found this on the internet. This pretty much states why I believe in the pre-tribulation Rapture.




It is not me that convinces Jesusfreak0791, that is the work and responsibility of the Holy Spirit.
The 144000? They are from the twelve tribes of Israel.

The two witnesses, Elijah and Moses ‘come to the Earth.’
And are there to witness for 1260 days.
Where they will be killed in the middle of the last week and are to be raised 3 ½ days later at trumpet seven which is resurrection time. See Rev 11: 1 – 15.

The reason there are to be two witnesses is because they witness against Satan. Deuteronomy 17: 6. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

God, does things by the book, legally within the law as an example of His righteousness.
If you note that when the two witnesses are raised at trumpet seven, it is their enemies that are left to wonder whether they are in or out of the book of life, which says it all to me.

Those left behind, are to face Armageddon as we have already studied because they are not invited to the wedding supper because they paid homage to the beast whilst he is in power for 42 months.

Rev 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13: 7. And it was given unto him to make WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to OVERCOME THEM: and power was given him over ALL KINDREDS, and tongues, and NATIONS.

Rev 13: 8. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT WRITEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE of the LAMB slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 13: 9. If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS and the FAITH of the SAINTS.
Not only have we the beast with the mortal wound to resist but this fellow Satan, also called a beast.
Rev 13: 11. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The Saints will face this problem for 3 ½ years or less.

Daniel 7: 25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Matt 24: 32. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

John 3: 36. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
If you have a differing understanding of prophecy then so be it.
May God, bless you.
Maranatha.
PC.

 

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Now for a look at Daniel 9.

Darius the Mede an Iraqi was in power, the Medo/Persian empire reigned supreme.
The Head of Gold Babylon had been replaced with the arms and shoulders of silver Medo/Persian empire. (Dan 2: 32. Dan 2: 38)
The Medo/Persian empire was now firmly established, Dan 2 : 39.

Nebuchadnezzar’s son Belshazaar, was now dead and the Babylonian empire, had faded in history right before
Daniel’s eyes.

Darius the Mede was now king over the Chaldeans.
Daniel 9:1. In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
Jeremiah’s books were diligently studied by and held Daniel’s attention.
Daniel, came to the conclusion that the fulfilment of the 70 years of captivity for Israel, was about up.

The cause of her captivity was simple.

Jeremiah 25: 8. Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye have NOT HEARD MY WORDS,

Jeremiah 25: 9. Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 25: 10. Moreover I will TAKE FROM THE voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the BRIDEGROOM, and the voice of the BRIDE, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.

Jeremiah 25: 11. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall SERVE THE KING OF BABYLON SEVENTY YEARS.

At the time when Israel, was taken to Babylon, Daniel was a very young man but now, he was an old man.

Dan 9: 2. In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood BY BOOKS the NUMBER OF THE YEARS, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish SEVENTY YEARS in the desolations of Jerusalem.

Daniel, was counting the years, within his prophetic timetable from the writings of Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 25: 12. And it shall come to pass, WHEN THE SEVENTY YEARS ARE ACCOMPLISHED, I will PUNISH THE KING OF BABYLON, and that NATION, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 25: 13. And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which JEREMIAH HATH PROPHESIED against all the nations.

Jeremiah 29:8. For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.

The Lord, gave warnings through Jeremiah, about false prophetic statements.
Jeremiah 29: 9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
Daniel, held on to the promise that Israel, would be free after the seventy years of captivity.

Jeremiah 29: 10. For thus saith the LORD, That AFTER SEVENTY YEARS BE ACCOMPLISHED at BABYLON I will VISIT YOU, and perform MY GOOD WORD TOWARD YOU, in CAUSING you to RETURN to this place.

There was no vision given to Daniel, about the 70 years of captivity, only the writings from the Prophet Jeremiah and Daniel, believed it.
Jeremiah 29: 11. For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of PEACE, and not of evil, to give you an EXPECTED END.

Jeremiah 29: 12. THEN SHALL YE CALL UPON ME, and YE SHALL GO AND PRAY UNTO ME, and I WILL HEARKEN unto you.
Straight away Daniel, started earnestly seeking God in prayer. Because God, states that He will listen, there were petitions and pleadings needed, the prophecy was conditional on that happening and of course, it did.

Jeremiah 29: 13. And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Daniel, was earnest in his pleadings, searching for the promised intentions of God to be fulfilled.
See
See Dan 9 .4 - 19.

Daniel 9: 20. And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the HOLY MOUNTAIN of my GOD;

Daniel 9: 21. Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man GABRIEL, whom I had seen in the VISION at the BEGINNING, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

The angel came to continue the explanation and enlargement of the visions that Daniel, did not understand. Daniel, admitted he did not have a clue as to what it was about by saying. ‘I was appalled by the vision; IT WAS BEYOND UNDERSTANDING.’

Gabriel, referred only to the chezev/vision/s. ‘I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.’ ‘therefore understand the matter, and consider the chezev.’
Gabriel, is speaking of the vision in chapter 8 ( rough goat attacking the ram Iraq/Iran and the little horn that rises up etc and the place of the daily and the time of 2300 ereb boqer span.

The chezev/vision of Dan 8 was ‘like in kind’ to the chezev of Daniel 7
( lion, bear, leopard, 4th beast, horn etc ).

Dan 9: 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

At the very beginning of Daniel’s supplications, Gabriel was instructed to speak with him.

Daniel 9: 23. At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore UNDERSTAND the matter, and CONSIDER THE VISION.

The angel completely ignores the subject of the seventy years but notes Daniel’s ‘supplications’ because at the beginning of them Gabriel, was commanded to explain to Daniel, about the chezev concerning ‘the time of the end,’

Gabriel states how ‘greatly loved’ Daniel, is and as a result he is to be shown the matter. So he can then‘ understand the matter and consider the chezev/vision or visions.’

The chezev/visions are each followed by an enlargement of them and that a progression, caries right through the whole book of Daniel. Gabriel, continually adds more information, yet Daniel, did not understand the chezev, none of it.

The progression is a fact and is brought out by Daniel, recorded in Daniel 12: 8, where Daniel, is told of the ‘resurrection of life’ right at the beginning of Daniel 12: in verse 1.
Therefore the progression is proven.
What a dreadful situation for Daniel, to be in, in that he Daniel, hears all the wonderful prophetic promises that we can relate to, yet not being able to understand any of the 2300 evening morning time of the end vision.

Now, remembering that the angel Gabriel, said to Daniel, quote. “Understand O son of man the chezev concerns the time of the end,” in Dan 8: 17 and in verse 19 says the ‘last end.’ So we have the TIME fix for the following information.
Am I changing anything about the time that the chezev/visions are to be concerned?
No, I’m just remembering the time context in which Gabriel himself placed the chezev/visions.
As we go through Daniel 9 this fact is repeated more than once to Daniel.

Just a reminder. NIV.
Daniel 8:17; So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the END shall be the vision.

The chezev means vision/visions and therefore could mean all the visions of Dan:7, and 8 inclusively. I am going to remind myself, and you of that fact as we go through Daniel 9.
Gabriel uses ‘Daniel 9:’ as an explanation and expansion of the last vision/s, then it follows that ‘Daniel 9:’ belongs to the same time of the end’, and ‘last end’ period.
Please note, that the longest time span is 2300 ereb/evening, boqer/morning.
The term evening morning is used within creation week for each successive day and therefore cannot be translated into years.

In Dan 8: 1-13 we were given the vision, where at Dan 8: 14 we are told about the longest period being 6 and a bit years.

The time spans referred to in Revelation and Daniel along with other minor Prophets concerning this time period and subject, MUST fit within the 6 and a bit years.
The 70 weeks is at the near end of the same 7 years of the vision because they end at the last trumpet where Jesus, is to return with His reward.

Rev 22: 12. And, behold, I come quickly; and MY REWARD WITH ME, TO GIVE EVERY MAN according as his work SHALL BE.

And that REWARD IS INSTANTLY AVAILBE at trumpet seven, RESURRECTION TIME! Amen to that.

Rev 22: 13. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22: 14. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFER, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Now to explain the 70 weeks and the 69 weeks of Daniel.
So timing back from the second advent, this is what we get.

Only 70 weeks remaining!
Dan 9: 24. “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

End of Satan’s realm.

SEVENTY WEEKS TO GO.
Seventy weeks are SET, determined, upon thy people.
The angel talking to Daniel, Says thy people or your people.

Daniel’s people are the Israelites.
So the Israelites are given just seventy weeks and there city is given the same amount of time.
To do what?

To finish transgression or to STOP breaching the law.
To stop sinning.

To make ‘reconciliation,’ a settlement for their ‘iniquity’ meaning corruption, wickedness.

To bring in ‘EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS’

To SEAL UP THE VISION and PROPHECY.
Then to ‘anoint the quote, ‘most Holy’ or ‘Most Holy’ or ‘most holy place.’ Take your pick from the following.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Both words of ‘Most Holy’ start with capital letters and both the same number 6944 in, The interlinear Bible.

{ ko’-desh} 6944

from 6942; TWOT - 1990a; n m

AV - holy 262, sanctuary 68, (holy, hallowed,...) things 52, most 44, holiness 30, dedicated 5, hallowed 3, consecrated 1, misc 3; 468

GK - 7731 {
1) apartness, holiness, sacredness, separateness
1a) apartness, sacredness, holiness
1a1) of God
1a2) of places
1a3) of things
1b) set-apartness, separateness.

Various Bibles have their own variation of this.
The King James Bible. ‘and to anoint the most Holy.’
The New King James version. ‘And to anoint the Most Holy.’
The New Living Translation. ‘and to anoint the Most Holy Place.’
The Contemporary English Version. ‘and a most holy place will be dedicated.’

69 WEEKS TO GO.
The command is given at the start of week 69 to ‘restore and build’ Jerusalem. back ‘to Messiah Prince.’
Jerusalem is to be rebuilt ‘again.’ INCLUDING THAT WALL!
The Interlinear Bible.
Daniel 9: 25.
“Know then, and understand from going out of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem, TO MESSIAH PRINCE, SEVEN WEEKS and SIXTY TWO WEEKS. The street shall be built again, and THE WALL, even in times of affliction.”
7 weeks, plus 62 weeks, equals 69 weeks.

The wall or ‘barrier’ we see standing today, enables the vision to be relevant.
DURING THE TIME OF AFFLICTION a decree will go out to rebuild Jerusalem 69 weeks to Messiah Prince. During this time the street and wall will be rebuilt AGAIN.
Somehow ‘the protective barrier’ will come down and be rebuilt again.
Just have a look at that thing surrounding Jerusalem!

So now there is only 7 weeks left.

Daniel 9: 26. And after sixty-two weeks, Messiah will be cut off, but not Himself.”
“And the people of a coming prince shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
“And its end with the flood, and ruins are determined, until the end war.”

At the end of the 62nd week the Messiah will be cut off, but remember he IS TO return seven weeks later to bring in ‘everlasting righteousness.’

Now for the King James Version Bible.
After 62 weeks of the 69 weeks. The Messiah will be cut off and the prince, that is Satan, will destroy the city of Jerusalem, and the sanctuary. For another seven weeks the war of desolations continues until the end.
Still only 7 weeks left.
Daniel 9: 26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The prince of darkness makes a new covenant at the beginning of the LAST WEEK of his realm but in the midst of the last week he causes the sacrifice and the oblation which is a ‘thanks offering,’ also a glorification of His name offering is to cease until the ‘consummation.’
only one week to go.
Daniel 9: 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many FOR ONE WEEK: and in the MIDST of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Let me pull this into the mixing pot.
Just as a matter of interest.
The two witnesses are killed in the middle of that SAME last week. I know that fact because they are raised AFTER 3 ½ DAYS at the last trumpet at the end of that same last week.

Rev 11: 7. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and KILL THEM.

3 ½ days later at the end of the week they are raised.
Rev 11: 11. And AFTER THRE DAYS AND AN HALF the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and THEY STOOD UPON THEIR FEET; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

The resurrection of life.
Rev 11: 12. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and THEIR EMENIES beheld them.
Rev 11: 13. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and THE REMNANT were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11: 14. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 11: 15. And the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
END.
Do you find this interesting? We live in exciting times don’t we?
I am not changing the words in the Bible, All I’m doing is reading what it says.
Maranatha.


Prophecy Countdown.

 

[DanJudge]

Daniel 7 is an overview from the lion and all that between, to the everlasting kingdom in verse 27.
I will make what seems to be assumptions however they will be biblically backed up in Daniel 8: So please don’t presume that I make them until we get to Daniel 8:
Capital letters for emphasis only.
Daniel 7: 1. In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

Daniel 7: 2. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

Four beasts come up together.
Daniel 7: 3. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Daniel 7: 4. The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

The symbol of Great Britain is the LION and the EAGLE, is of its great and powerful alliance partner the United States of America.

The alliance becomes the LION with EAGLE’S wings.
The political circumstances concerning America, will alter the partnership, consequentially for the lion who will lose his wings and brave heart for that of a man’s and have to stand like a man on his own feet, weaker.
And as we shall see in Daniel 8 after the attack on Iran the ‘horn’ will be broken.
The ‘horn’ President will move out of the White House at the end of his term or maybe sooner, ending the alliance.
So he hasn’t much time to move on Iran!
Daniel 7: 4. “The first was like a LION, and had EAGLE’S WINGS: I beheld till the WINGS thereof WERE PLUCKED, and it was LIFTED UP from the earth, and MADE TO STAND upon the feet AS A MAN, and a MAN’S HEART was given to it.”

When America, was attacked on the 11th September 2001, the British Prime Minister Tony Blaire, the very next day, stood by the American President and said. “We are with you 100%.” The 12th, September
the double symbol of the LION with EAGLE”S WINGS was formed.


A momentary supposition until shortly proven. What happens in a power vacuum created by The United States of America pulling up the draw bridge after Iraq and the soon war with Iran, and letting the rest of the world get on with it? I

We can only consider the symbols applying to the powers at the time of the end because that is the time that the vision is concerned with as Gabriel, stated to Daniel in Daniel 8: 17 & 19 as we shall see, but please remember, that Daniel 7 is from the LION, through to the EVERLASTING KINGDOM. Which puts us bang on time, with events so far.

Earth doesn’t like a political vacuum, so up stands the BEAR,
What country has the BEAR as its symbol today?
RUSSIA! With all that oil and gas now under state control, Russia has money and power!
Daniel 7: 5. And behold another beast, a second, like to a BEAR, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, DEVOUR MUCH FLESH.

I’m not sure about the LEOPARD. Could it be a future united Asia or CHINA?
We will only understand the vision fully as it unfolds when we are into ‘the time of the end’ as stated in Daniel 12: 4.
On that basis, this is a personal opinion, I think it’s China, but I may be, wrong, so don’t hold me to that. I will have to stay fluid on that idea
about the LEOPARD being China.
It has “four wings of a fowl.” It can’t fly as far or as swiftly as the EAGLE’S WINGS.
Daniel 7: 6. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a LEOPARD, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had ALSO FOUR HEADS; and DOMINION was GIVEN TO IT.
Note the detail, FOUR HEADS.

Daniel 7: 7.After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a FOURTH BEAST, DREADFUL and TERRIBLE, and STRONG EXCEEDINGLY; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and STAMPED the RESIDUE with the FEET of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

The FOURTH BEAST is a culmination, or a coming together of all the strengths and power of the LION with the BEAR and LEOPARD under the dictatorship of the 1st beast with the mortal wound. It has ten horns, meaning ten leaders/kings.
This same fourth beast kingdom will be made up of the LION, BEAR, LEOPARD, and the beast with the mortal wound, equals four. Now we should know who the dragon is.

Rev 12: 7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the DRAGON; and the DRAGON FOUGHT WITH his ANGELS,

8. And prevailed not; neither was THEIR PLACE found any more in heaven.
9. AND THE GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, that old SERPENT, called the DEVIL, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.
10. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11. “And they overcame him by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the WORD OF HIS TESTIMONY; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the EARTH and of the sea! for THE DEVIL IS COME DOWN unto YOU, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT TIME.”
Now we know, that time is running a bit short for dilly dallying.

Rev 13: 2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his FEET were as the feet OF A BEAR, and HIS MOUTH as the mouth OF A LION: and THE DRAGON GAVE HIM HIS POWER, and his SEAT, and GREAT AUTHORITY.
Even in Heaven, mortal wounds are part and parcel of war. But, mortal wounds do not heal on Earth on mortals. However in Heaven it seems mortal wounds on angels can heal.
One of the four heads, has a wound and is a beast and please note that Satan is also called a beast. See Rev 13: 11. So it is not unusual for that usage of term for a fallen angel.
Rev 13: 3. And I saw ONE OF HIS HEADS as it were WOUNDED to death; and his DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED: and all the world wondered after the BEAST.

I must identify the ‘little horn first,’ to give you advance warning as we move on later to Daniel 8: where he pops up again within this progression.
In Daniel 8: 9. a LITTLE HORN appears, and look what he does.
Daniel 8: 10. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of THE HOST and OF THE STARS to the GROUND, and stamped upon them.
Satan, did that previously, when baby Jesus was born in Rev 12: 14.
That should give you an idea as to the identification of the little horn.

Three leaders are removed forcibly by the little horn.
Daniel 7: 8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of MAN, and A MOUTH SPEAKING GREAT THINGS.

Now ten horns, three are plucked up to be replaced by one which leaves eight.

This one LITTLE HORN starts saying things, now watch the ANCIENT of DAYS react.

Daniel 7: 9. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the ANCIENT of DAYS DID SIT, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Daniel 7: 10. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before HIM: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand STOOD BEFORE HIM: the JUDGMENT WAS SET, and the BOOKS WERE OPENED.

Everything is to be carried out precisely within the LAW, LEGALLY.
As a result, the beast with the mortal wound that was healed is to be dealt with on Earth, at the second coming of Christ.

Daniel 7: 11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the HORN spake: I beheld even till the BEAST was SLAIN, and his BODY destroyed, and GIVEN TO THE BURNING FLAME.

So, What do we have here after the fallen angel, beast with the mortal wound is killed?
We have LION, BEAR, and LEOPARD waiting.
Daniel 7 :12. As concerning the REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their DOMINION taken away: yet THEIR LIVES were PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.

It is at this time that Jesus, is given back His kingdom, power, glory.
Dan 7: 13. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN came with the clouds of heaven, and came TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS, and they brought HIM near before HIM.

Dan 7: 14. And there was given HIM DOMINION, and GLORY, AND A KINGDOM, that all people, NATIONS, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and HIS KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed.

Dan 7: 15. I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
Dan 7: 16. I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Now if we go to Rev 19: we have the conformation of the same story after the wedding supper of Rev 19: 1 – 10.

Rev 19: 19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

We have LION, BEAR, and LEOPARD three remnant powers waiting in Daniel 7 :12. As concerning the REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their DOMINION taken away: yet THEIR LIVES were PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.
This is what they wait for.
Rev 19: 21. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

MARK MY WORDS, YOU WILL BE WRONG AGAIN, KNOW WHY? YOU DON'T HAVE THE "LITTLE BOOK" OF REVELATION CHAPTER 10. REMEMBER WHAT GOD SAID IN AMOS 3:7, READ IT WHEN YOU GET TIME.

PEACE BE WITH YOU
DanJudge

 

[Rafael]

Dear Jesusfreak0791 will you please consider these few things with your Bible? I would appreciate your time.
I do not wish to frighten anyone, because some are not able to bear this message.
Daniel, is a progression and expansion.
There is no rescue until after the tribulation according to scripture.
The Little horn/Satan will go after the Saints.
Please take your Bible and check out the timing and events.
Daniel 7: 25. Little HORN speaks against Most High. Wears out
the Saints for 3 ½ years, thinks to change laws &
times.
Daniel 7: 21. I beheld, and the same HORN MADE WAR with the
SAINTS, and PREVAILED against them;
Daniel 7: 22. Until Ancient of Days gives KINGDOM to Saints.
Daniel 7: 27. Saints given the KINGDOM.
Daniel 8: 24. He will prosper, be mighty by someone else’s power,.
and DESTROY a MIGHTY PEOPLE.
From The Interlinear Translation Bible.
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev/visions.”

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Matt 16: 25. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

How does one, get divided from God?

Matt 15: 8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7: 8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
When there is to be a falling away then be ready for the tribulation is near.

2 Thessalonians 2; 3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matthew 24: 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The problem is that if people believe in a ‘pre-tribulation rapture’ then when Satan, comes down to Earth imitating the Christ, the same may get caught by deceptions based on that misunderstanding.
The tribulation is the sign of HIS soon return is it not?
I am just trying to warn my Peers of hidden consequences based on misunderstandings I mean no offence.
Maranatha.
PC.

I am enjoying your thread, here, PC, and I have to add my agreement about there being no cut and run for the soldiers of the cross who will be more than willing to stand and fight with the Lord. This is also reflected in Zechariah.
The house of Israel and the house of Judah are to reunite and fight against the enemies of God one more time, and it says that the house of Israel will be like the arrow in Judah's bow. Who is the house of Israel and the house of Judah? The house of Israel is the ten tribes Jesus spoke of as "the lost sheep of the house of Israel"in Mat 15:24, and aul said they would come back out of the Gentile nations as "sons of the Living God". following after their head as the "firstborn" Church of God - the Christians whose number would be like the stars in the sky and sands of the sea that God promised Abraham,who passed it to Isaac, who passed it to Jacob, who lastly gave it to his grandson of Joseph - Ephraim. Ephraim was the head of the house of Israel - God's firstborn, while it is through the house of Judah Jacobs blessing comes to pass (Gen. 4910); where Jesus is the King bearing a sceptre that will never end.
Over and over, the prophets speak of theswe two houses coming together once again,and the new covenant is expressly given to them in Hebrews 8:8.
Nope,we do not leave, but come to the rescue of our brother Judah as watchmen.

The Holy Spirit makes the distinction that there are two houses of promise and we should, too, by going back to Genesis and seeing which house received what through its head. Ephraim received the double portion....

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Prophecy to the house of Israel although Judah is mentioned, too - under one Leader (Jesus).

Hosea 1:9 Then God said: "Call his name Lo-Ammi, For you are not My people, And I will not be your God.
10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There it shall be said to them, ‘You are sons of the living God.’
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Amos 9:9 "For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. 14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

Zech.9:13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man. 14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
15 The LORD of hosts will defend them; They shall devour and subdue with slingstones. They shall drink and roar as if with wine; They shall be filled with blood like basins, Like the corners of the altar.

Zech 10:6-10 I will strengthen the house of Judah, and will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them back, because I have had compassion on them; and they will be as though I had not rejected them, for I am Yahweh their Elohim and I will answer them. Ephraim will be like a mighty man, and their heart will be glad as if from wine; indeed, their children will see it and be glad, their heart will rejoice in Yahweh. I will whistle for them to gather them together,for I have redeemed them; and they will be as numerous as they were before. When I scatter them among the peoples, they will remember Me in far countries, and they with their children will live and come back. I will bring them back from the land of Egypt and gather them from Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon until no room can be found for them.

 

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If you have a differing understanding of prophecy then so be it.
May God, bless you.
Maranatha.
PC.

I like the way you ended you reply most people will want to keep fighting. I believe something different than you do and I appreciate that you respect that. Alot of people stray from what Paul talked about in Romans 14:1-23.

 

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I like the way you ended you reply most people will want to keep fighting. I believe something different than you do and I appreciate that you respect that. Alot of people stray from what Paul talked about in Romans 14:1-23.

Hi jesusfreak0791. Thankyou for reminding me of Romans 14:1-23. I have been guilty of many wrongs including disrespect and have been rightly told off for it by my Sisters and Brothers in the recent past.
I didn’t like the person that I was becoming.

However I understand that we are all growing and must take on the things that you aptly point out to me in Romans 14:1-23 through the words of Paul.
Once again, thankyou my dear brother, for your kind words and biblical help.
Maranatha.
Your Servant in Jesus, PC.

 

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Hi 66books and also my dear Brother Rafael, Well Rafael, as you know, Daniel had a vision for chapter 7: another for chapter 8: finally a third for Daniel Chapter 10: 11: and 12.
The last vision was quote ‘in one fowl swoop’ as was Revelation, for John, from start to finish, both these visions were given by the Lord Himself.
I thought that I would start by bringing in some other Bible texts to show harmony within the prophecies
So if I seem to wonder here and there please be patient as I will come back to the point…. E v e n t u a l y … that’s if I haven’t forgotten it…
Dear 66books I know for certain that you know these things but a recap is always good and I would appreciate any remarks or input you or Rafael and jesusfreak9791, may wish to voice.

Please note that I use capitals for emphasis only.
I will have to place this in segments, so if I stop it means I’m studying for more information but please jump in if you wish to make a point or two or 12.
May I preamble for a moment please.
Within Daniel, the little book was closed.
Within Revelation, the little book is opened.
We have Daniel 7: 12 and Revelation 19: 20. These are just some of the parallels and patterns I look for when studying the Book.
The same entities from Daniel, plus the ‘false prophet’ being mentioned in Revelation but not by Daniel, within the same event, makes me ponder as to why that is.

There are parallels, patterns, powers, geographical locations, for certain events and the beings involved in driving them.
We are given time spans of particular events within the vision’s specific time limit of 2300 ereb/boqer, meaning evening and morning of ‘the time of the end’ period.
As I have said before “2300 ereb boqer cannot be translated into meaning ‘years.’”

“Daniel 8: 14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred (EREB BOQER) days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.”

“6153 `ereb { eh’-reb}
from 6150; TWOT - 1689a; n m

AV - even 72, evening 47, night 4, mingled 2, people 2, eventide 2, eveningtide + 6256 2, Arabia 1, days 1, even + 996 1, evening + 3117 1, evening + 6256 1, eventide + 6256 1; 137”

“GK - 6847 { br,[,
1) evening, night, sunset
1a) evening, sunset
1b) night

1242 boqer { bo’-ker}

from 1239; TWOT - 274c; n m

AV - morning 190, morrow 7, day 3, days + 6153 1, early 3; 204

GK - 1331 { rq,Bo
} & 1332 { rq,Bo
1) morning, break of day
1a) morning
1a1) of end of night
1a2) of coming of daylight
1a3) of coming of sunrise
1a4) of beginning of day
1a5) of bright joy after night of distress (fig.)
1b) morrow, next day, next morning”

“‘Ereb’ and ‘boqer’ were used within CRATION WEEK. That’s seven days not years.”
“Bible backup for my claims”
“Geneses 1: 5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the Ereb/evening and the boqer/morning were the first day.
Gen 7: 8. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the EVENING the MORNING were the second day.
Gen 1: 13. So the EVENING and the MORNING were the third day.
Gen 1: 19. So the EVENING and the MORNING were the fourth day.
Gen 1: 23. So the EVENING and the MORNING were the fifth day.
Gen 1: 31. Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the EVENING and the MORNING were the sixth day.
Gen 2: 1. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.”
So can we agree that 2300 ereb boqer means days and as a result, work out that it is a time span of six and a bit years?

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Within these visions.
Certain events are given in quite specific detail and at clearly named locations.
Surely every detail of the visions given to the Prophets, must be taken into consideration before any claim of its fulfilment can be made.
It must occur at ‘the time of the end,’ ‘last end’ and not before.
However there is a limit to all this.
Rev 10: 5. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

Rev 10: 6. And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, THAT THERE SHOULD BE TIME NO LONGER:

Rev 10: 7. But in the days of the voice of the SEVENTH TRUMPET, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be FINISHED, AS HE HATH DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS.

I am confident that we will eye witness events and the specified geographical location of each along with the named characters and worldly powers involved.
The duration of each event’s time span, must fit within the 2300 ereb/boqer, we will also witness the 1260 days of the two witnesses of Revelation 11:
They will be killed in the middle of the last 70th week and AT TRUMPET 7, 3 ½ DAYS LATER raised. See Rev 11: 15.

Jerusalem is to be surrounded by the Gentile nations.
Where an exodus of God’s chosen, into the wilderness from Judea, for 1260 days will occur. See Rev 12: 13 – 17.
‘Forty two months’ Jerusalem, will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the time of the Gentiles, is full or ends. See Luke 21: 24.
The abomination is to be ‘set up’ for 1290 days. See Dan 12: 11.
Where God’s people are to suffer the tribulation until 1335 days see Dan 12: 12. Whereupon they will receive their promised ‘blessing’ in Heaven. See Rev 19: 1 – 10 just before the Saints return to Earth and fight. Rev 11: 21

This generation will witness the fact that the woman is given a place to hide in the wilderness for ‘a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.’ See Rev 12: 14.

All of this will happen when the beast with the mortal wound is given power and authority by the second beast Satan, for only ‘forty two months.’ See Rev 13: 5.
After Satan and his angels are thrown out of Heaven by Jesus/Michael.

These time periods are specific and about to be accomplished.
These events are all there in the Bible, as plain as day and should be familiar to those who have been following this study thread.
Once the lion/GB and the USA/eagle alliance finish off the Higher horn, that comes up last on that ram, which I believe, is the Moslem religion, then we start the countdown.
‘The lamb that speaks like a dragon’ Satan/little horn, is coming with his angels to hoodwink those on Earth who do not understand.
He seeks to change laws and TIMES, but the wise will understand this fact and be ‘watching’ for the Messiah.
Rev 13: 12.
2 Cor 11: 14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Faith in Jesus, saves us but being wise as a result of faith, in understanding the word about these events is part of trusting in ‘the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy’ and is vital in turning many to the Christ, and doing our best not letting the beast and Satan, claim this generation.

The three wise men were wise enough to look up for the heavenly signs and understand that the baby Jesus, would arrive and we should be just as wise for this coming event, when He comes with power and great glory.

Daniel, was given Visions after which followed enlargements.
This trend occurred all through Daniel’s prophetic writings, as a steady progression.

Daniel, in Chapter 10 verse 2 speaks of ‘mourning three full weeks.’
Daniel, well nigh understood that the vision was not to be fulfilled, until ‘long’ into the distant future.
How disappointing and distressing for Daniel, to know that the fulfilment of the vision was not to be for many, many years and that his people would be involved in conflict with Satan/little horn.

He wanted to know everything about the vision, especially the fourth beast most terrible and the little horn.

 

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1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message true, but the appointed time long; and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision.
Daniel now understood the vision of 7 and 8 and he knew that the appointed time of the vision was long or far into the distant future.
The Interlinear Translation Bible. Hebrew. Greek. English. Version.
“Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev.” Visions

Daniel had visions concerning Nebuchadezzar, his son Belshazzar and upcoming powerful empires and there were many horns/leaders mentioned.
“The time of the end” and “end of time” visions, I find most interesting.
The progression of the ‘time of the end’ visions and the expansion of them, was to lead men to understand that there is to be an end of time for Satan’s realm and the inevitable ushering in of God’s kingdom at the voice of the last trumpet.

Rev 10: 6. And sware by to be in holy conversation and godliness,

12. LOOKING FOR THE HASTING UNTO THE him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be TIME NO LONGER:
7. But in the days of the voice of the SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The visions of Daniel never change in substance or purpose.
They were seen then explained from different perspectives for Daniel’s ‘consideration’ and ours.
The angel Gabriel, had conveyed the intention of heaven, that he Daniel, should ‘understand the vision.’
Yet later, Daniel was told to seal up the Book for it was not for him to know.

Different messengers were used, such as the angels Gabriel, Palmoni. see KJV marginal help.
Angel Palmoni meaning, ‘wonderful Numberer’ or ‘angel of secret numbers.’
Daniel is full of Temple times used in these prophecies.
There is more to the number 2300 ereb boqer than meets the eye.
Also Our Lord Jesus, spoke directly to both Daniel and John, of Revelation fame, to explain the SAME vision, the location and time duration of each specific event.
When Daniel, said he understood the visions he went off his food. See Dan 10: 1.
He wanted to know everything, yet at the same time was appalled by the vision, when he did know.
He just couldn’t handle not knowing or knowing!
The angels must have noted the effect this was having upon him, so eventually he was told, “seal up the Book Daniel.” It is not for you to know.

When is Jesus returning?
This question has been asked countless times, throughout generations. Men have looked for the answers, and in their haste have read things into the Bible, that just weren’t there, hoping and praying for His soon return, eventually being laid to rest with their forefathers.

Way back, men were told ‘the end is nigh, ‘THE END IS NIGH!’ That kept the light of hope burning.
The issue of His soon return was preached by the Disciples, with great anticipation.
Luke 12: 35. “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 “and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 “Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.

From the old Testaments and New, we see an urgency in the preaching by the Disciples and even John the Baptist, who said “repent for the DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR.”
Generations have been selfishly impatient for His SOON second coming.
Was there anything wrong in that? Of course not.

Were these great men of faith wrong about when?…. Yes and no.
Two thousand years later in hindsight, tells me they were wrong about the TIME but were right about the EVENT!
They were mortal men and they were wanting their Master to gather them up before they tasted death.
There is nothing wrong with that, that was and is a part of faith.
Three score and ten, sort of limits a person’s time, therefore patience.

2 Peter 3: 9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11. Then all these things shall be dissolved, WHAT MANNER OUGHT YE TO BE ye COMING OF THE DAY OF THE GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13. Nevertheless WE, according to his promise, LOOK FOR A NEW heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

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Do we then throw out the Bible because the Disciples, thought the time was back then? Of course not. Peter encouraged them to preach the soon coming of the Saviour.

The kingdom of Jesus, was not set up during the Lord’s time on Earth.
Jesus made that clear when he said that His kingdom was not of this world, see John 18:36.

Our dear Jesus, suffered the penalty of our sins.
As we read about this event we note that one Disciple, says this and another says something different and sometimes they repeat the same sentences of the Christ.
It is not a question of who was right or wrong, it is a question of each individual Disciple, recording as much as could be remembered and collectively they were fairly comprehensive.
In Matt 24: Mark: 13; Luke: 21: The same question was asked “how long?”
“What will the signs of your coming and the end of the world?”
Jesus’ answer, ‘read Daniel.’

Did God, the Father allow John the Baptist and the Disciples, to believe that Jesus was returning soon?
From what I understand, yes our Father did.
Even the Lord did not know the time.
Mark 13L 32. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Acts 1: 6. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7. And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Jesus was not told by the Father, the WHEN time of His second coming!
How could Jesus, tell His followers that they were not quite right about His second advent, when he did not know the time Himself?
If Jesus had known, which He did not, and had told the Disciples the length of time from His departure too the second advent, it would have broken their hearts in disappointment.

Jesus does not lie. To Him a thousand years is like a day and a day like a thousand years.

Jesus made us.
He knows us, even better than we know ourselves.
If we knew that He was returning on Friday, we would have a great time early in the week, then on Thursday use credit cards to donate lots and lots of money to charities just before His advent.

You know what we humans are like, and so does Jesus!

The hour day month or year, nobody knows, and it is for our good that it was done that way.
There was the promise FIRST TO the children if Zion.
Joel 2: 23. Be glad then, ye CHILDREN OF ZION, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath GIVEN YOU THE FOMER RAIN MODERATELY, and he will cause to come down for YOU THE RAIN, THE FORMER RAIN, and the latter rain in the first
Acts 1: 8. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth
So why would Peter quote Joel 2: 28, recorded in Acts 2: 17 – 21?

Joel 2: 28
“And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, I will pour out my spirit UPON ALL FLESH; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids IN THOSE DAYS will I pour out my spirit.
30And I WILL SHEW WONDERS IN THE HEAVENS and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.”

The answer is because Peter, thought that Jesus, was soon to return and that he was living in the time of the end.
He thought he knew but he was told by Jesus, that no man knows the time. It is easy for us to figure it out in hindsight after 2000 odd years, but not that easy for Peter or the Disciples.