Pro Sunday sources obviously don't support your idea either in teaching or practice. If they did they wouldn't be pro Sunday.
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Pro Sunday sources obviously don't support your idea either in teaching or practice. If they did they wouldn't be pro Sunday.how nice that even the pro-Sunday sources admit that the TEN Commandments are included in the "Moral LAW" of God written on the Heart under the NEW Covenant.
these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
Yes. Matthew 11:28-30 and John 15:10.Jesus said "if you would enter into life KEEP the Commandments" -- then Jesus was asked "Which ONES"?
Question - did He say "I am the Law of God now -- keep ME"?
Jesus said very plainly you will go through Him or you aren't getting in.What did He actually say -- given that we don't want to make anything up - what did HE say?
Only if you don't believe the words of Jesus.What an odd statement to make
Jesus said all who try to enter heaven by some other means than going through the Door are thieves and robbers. If you get in you will go through Jesus and not by keeping the law.I find your logic "illusive" just then
God only commanded Israel in this matter.God has called us to willingly take one day from the seven He has given us to just focus on Him... His creation... His Word... His people in fellowship... in surrender to Him. Not any day but the one He declared Holy and Worthy at creation.
If you don't think being disobedient is immoral then I don't have a better definition.
OK.. you've reached the limit of my desire to further converse with you... I post a clear and easily understood passage of scripture and you're answer is "no" and then try to redirect me to other verses that supposedly bolster your contention.No.
It is because of Luke 6:31 and John 13:34.
You ask if I steal. To which I responded No and gave my reasons. Did you read those passages or even know what they say? Evidently not even when they're linked. My guess is you're upset because I didn't blindly follow your lead to say the reason is because of the law. You need that kind of response to trap people into law observance namely the sabbath. Why when the NT repeatedly says we're not under that law?OK.. you've reached the limit of my desire to further converse with you... I post a clear and easily understood passage of scripture and you're answer is "no" and then try to redirect me to other verses that supposedly bolster your contention.
I wish you well listed and I will pray that the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to the truth. Goodbye.
We do not understand the 3rd Commandment pertaining to worshiping on any particular day of the week. Luther was opposed to Sabbatarianism.
"The observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church." Augsburg Confession of Faith.
"They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." -Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, par. 9.
"They [Roman Catholics] allege the change of the Sabbath into the Lord's day, as it seemeth, to the Decalogue [the ten commandments]; and they have no example more in their mouths than they change of the Sabbath. They will needs have the Church's power to be very great, because it hath dispensed with the precept of the Decalogue." The Augsburg Confession, 1530 A.D. (Lutheran), part 2, art 7, in Philip Schaff, the Creeds of Christiandom, 4th Edition, vol 3, p64 [this important statement was made by the Lutherans and written by Melanchthon, only thirteen years after Luther nailed his theses to the door and began the Reformation].
"For up to this day mankind has absolutely trifled with the original and most special revelation of the Holy God, the ten words written upon the tables of the Law from Sinai."-"Crown Theological Library," page I78.
"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance."- AUGUSTUS NEANDER, "History of the Christian Religion and Church," Vol. 1, page 186.
"I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also."-MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist," pages 71, 72.
"But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect" John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday, pp.15, 16
Interesting that D.L. Moody also affirms the Bible detail that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Eden - Genesis 2:1-3
yes he doesNo he doesn't.
You're free to prove he does. .
No sir you've taken quotes out of context
As promised here is the proof Dl Moody doesn't preach the keeping of the 7th day sabbath:
Interesting that D.L. Moody also affirms the Bible detail that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Eden - Genesis 2:1-3
You must not take those quotes of out their proper context.
We acknowledge Sunday worship is just a custom of human beings in its origins, one that our history shows is fitting due to the dignity of the Lord's victory over the grave and the consensus of the early Church. .
"The observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church." Augsburg Confession of Faith.
"They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." -Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, par. 9.
"They [Roman Catholics] allege the change of the Sabbath into the Lord's day, as it seemeth, to the Decalogue [the ten commandments]; and they have no example more in their mouths than they change of the Sabbath. They will needs have the Church's power to be very great, because it hath dispensed with the precept of the Decalogue." The Augsburg Confession, 1530 A.D. (Lutheran), part 2, art 7, in Philip Schaff, the Creeds of Christiandom, 4th Edition, vol 3, p64 [this important statement was made by the Lutherans and written by Melanchthon, only thirteen years after Luther nailed his theses to the door and began the Reformation].
"For up to this day mankind has absolutely trifled with the original and most special revelation of the Holy God, the ten words written upon the tables of the Law from Sinai."-"Crown Theological Library," page I78.
"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance."- AUGUSTUS NEANDER, "History of the Christian Religion and Church," Vol. 1, page 186.
"I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also."-MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist," pages 71, 72.
"But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect" John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday, pp.15, 16
And the statements show a lot of affirmation for the Decalogue calling it specifically the "TEN Commandments" as if it is a bad thing to trash them.
So while I agree with you that the Lutherans in these statements are not specifically affirming the Bible Sabbath Saturday or Sunday - they do strongly affirm the TEN Commandments -- at least in these statements.
Yes, that is true, but we do not affirm them in a literalistic sense necessarily. We understand the 3rd Commandment as pertaining to hearing God's Word, not to Saturday worship.
Pro Sunday sources obviously don't support your idea .
Jesus said "if you would enter into life KEEP the Commandments" -- then Jesus was asked "Which ONES"?
Question - did He say "I am the Law of God now -- keep ME"?
What did He actually say -- given that we don't want to make anything up - what did HE say?
Pro Sunday sources obviously don't support your idea either in teaching or practice. If they did they wouldn't be pro Sunday.
Yes and that text says nothing about "on." Your quote is a demonstration of how they spoke about time. It has nothing to do with the sabbath as the new moon inclusion proves.
There's a predominate group making an issue where the is none. They're seeking conversions with threats trying to cause fear and really terror through misuse of Scripture inn addition to they personal statements. There are 2 other groups who also post here.I don't see Lutherans saying that changing to Sunday was wrong in the quotes you gave, merely pointing out that the "change" was of human origin and does not pertain to justification by faith alone.
Issues pertaining to worship are considered indifferent for us, meaning they are not considered de fide or dogmatic in character, and Christians are free to disagree according to their conscience. We merely prefer the traditional date of Sunday because it has served us well for nearly two millenia.
Even though the RCC says they changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, doesn't make it truth. The truth is Christians were worshiping on Sunday long before the 300's. This is documented in the Scripture and non canonized historical records.At a sufficient distance from the actual text -- it could be made to suggest almost anything. Yet in the documents I quoted - the early statements appeared to be "aware" enough at that early date to know that Sunday was not the Sabbath and that the claimed change from Saturday - was wrong. How in the world could they have the presence of mind to admit to that Bible fact only to spin around on their own position and argue that it was really just "pertaining to hearing God's Word" which in that grossly watered down form could not possibly find in the Catholic change to Sunday - an argument against the Commandment to "regard God's Word" since the Word now no longer says anything at all about Saturday in this newly re-imagines form. Just as long as Catholics had a Bible somewhere in their set of beliefs they would be fine. In that new re-imagined commandment there was nothing in it saying you could not have your own Sunday Sabbath as long as you still held the Word of God in some regard in general.
Their statements of condemnation about that change - evaporate having nothing at all to support them after they reach their later re-imagining-the-text stage.
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