Infant Baptism

[FenderTL5]

How many infants are receiving communion?

In the Orthodox Church, all that have been baptized and are present/brought to the chalice.

 

[JacksBratt]

Heaven for where else?

Many want to cause false stress to the true believers

Oh, I agree... but I want someone that is a believer in the idea that all infants must be baptized to tell me what they think is going to happen if this is not done, and the kid dies...

No takers yet.

 

[JacksBratt]

In the Orthodox Church, all that have been baptized and are present/brought to the chalice.

So, infants are taking part in the communion?

 

[FenderTL5]

So, infants are taking part in the communion?

Absolutely. Matthew 19:14

 

[JacksBratt]

Absolutely. Matthew 19:14

Forgive me for my ignorance, but, I thought that you could not take the Eucharist unless you were confirmed.

Had no idea that people were bringing infants up to partake.... interesting.

 

[Gregory95]

It's quite Biblical.

Read 1 Cor. 10, which shows the Jewish pre-figuring of infant baptism and communion.

"They ALL were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and they ALL ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank of the rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ."

Is there a definition of "all" that would exclude the little ones?

You are pointing to the Jews crossing sea (which is foreshadow baptism) as proof og infant baptism.....

Sir really ?

Because first off sprinkling water is not baptism as you see in NT when baptism happens it is full submergion

So regardless its not baptizing the infant as you would have to dunk them (unsafe)

 

[FenderTL5]

Forgive me for my ignorance, but, I thought that you could not take the Eucharist unless you were confirmed.

Had no idea that people were bringing infants up to partake.... interesting.

You could be thinking of Roman Catholics or possibly some other group.
A minor semantic quibble, we receive the Eucharist, we don't "take" it. Again, that's minor but it speaks to an attitude.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Oh, I agree... but I want someone that is a believer in the idea that all infants must be baptized to tell me what they think is going to happen if this is not done, and the kid dies...

No takers yet.

It depends if the kid's saved or not. Baptism isn't absolutely necessary for salvation.

 

[Gregory95]

It depends if the kid's saved or not. Baptism isn't absolutely necessary for salvation.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Yes, Gregory?

 

[FenderTL5]

...I want someone that is a believer in the idea that all infants must be baptized to tell me what they think is going to happen if this is not done, and the kid dies...

I would say that we can only speak to those who are baptized and full participants in the faith. As it applies to those who are not; it's the same as with adults - I don't know.

 

[Gregory95]

Yes, Gregory?

If you admit it is a purely human tradition that has no Biblical weight and you can plainly see it causes unneeded division how can you justify continuing it

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

If you admit it is a purely human tradition that has no Biblical weight and you can plainly see it causes unneeded division how can you justify continuing it

Continuing... what? I don't baptize anyone.

 

[Gregory95]

Continuing... what? I don't baptize anyone.

In supporting the doctrine that divides and causes burdens to true believers you take part in the effects of such doctrine you promote what is to some a stumbling block and i pray you read what the NT says on that

 

[JacksBratt]

You could be thinking of Roman Catholics or possibly some other group.
A minor semantic quibble, we receive the Eucharist, we don't "take" it. Again, that's minor but it speaks to an attitude.

Actually, if you read my post, I have admitted to ignorance... not an attitude.
You still have not confirmed.. do infants receive the Eucharist?

 

[JacksBratt]

It depends if the kid's saved or not. Baptism isn't absolutely necessary for salvation.

So, as in my example, the child is in diapers and not even solid food... maybe aware of objects within two feet of it's face.....
IMO not saved by the biblical... Belief in the Name of Christ. Faith in Christs ability to save. Belief in Christs life, death and resurrection. Knowledge of their sin and need for salvation...


So.... what happens to them?

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

In supporting the doctrine that divides and causes burdens to true believers you take part in the effects of such doctrine you promote what is to some a stumbling block and i pray you read what the NT says on that

Thank you for your prayers brother, but I reject your claim.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

So, as in my example, the child is in diapers and not even solid food... maybe aware of objects within two feet of it's face.....
IMO not saved by the biblical... Belief in the Name of Christ. Faith in Christs ability to save. Belief in Christs life, death and resurrection. Knowledge of their sin and need for salvation...


So.... what happens to them?

If they're not saved then they're condemned.

 

[FenderTL5]

Actually, if you read my post, I have admitted to ignorance... not an attitude.
You still have not confirmed.. do infants receive the Eucharist?

I thought post 324 was unambiguous.

Yes, children are full participants in our Church. In fact, the children receive the Eucharist before the adults.
Here's a still shot extracted from the live stream of one of our services a couple weeks ago:

 

[JacksBratt]

I would say that we can only speak to those who are baptized and full participants in the faith. As it applies to those who are not; it's the same as with adults - I don't know.

So, you don't know what happens to an infant, if the parents don't baptize it? Or, in my case, if we dedicated our child or rather, dedicated our life to raising the child in the ways of Christ....

You cannot say what happens... but... you will tell people that they must baptize their child to protect it or prepare it for what?