Infant Baptism

[JacksBratt]

If they're not saved then they're condemned.

How does an infant, in diapers, still not on solid food, not aware of anything but it's parents voice and touch.... get saved?

 

[JacksBratt]

I thought post 324 was unambiguous.

Yes, children are full participants in our Church. In fact, the children receive the Eucharist before the adults.
Here's a still shot extracted from the live stream of one of our services a couple weeks ago:
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Well, that is very interesting.. I did not know this. Thank you.

 

[Gregory95]

Thank you for your prayers brother, but I reject your claim.

And you base this rejection on what truth?

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

How does an infant, in diapers, still not on solid food, not aware of anything but it's parents voice and touch.... get saved?

God has God's means of grace.

 

[Albion]

Your acting as if

1 you know the ages of all children in NT

Isn't it rather silly (and definitely artificial) to assume that "households" in that society did NOT have ANY children under the age of, say, 12--which is probably the median age for baptisms in fundamentalist churches that practice "Believers Baptism??"

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

And you base this rejection on what truth?

I don't support a doctrine that causes burdens to true believers. I don't take part in the effects of any such doctrine.

 

[JacksBratt]

God has God's means of grace.

What does that mean.... How am I to know if my 10 day old infant has been saved?

 

[FenderTL5]

Well, that is very interesting.. I did not know this. Thank you.

You are very welcome.

 

[Gregory95]

Isn't it rather silly (and definitely artificial) to assume that "households" in that society did NOT have ANY children under the age of, say, 12--which is probably the median age for baptisms in fundamentalist churches that practice "Believers Baptism??"

i did nothing of the sort

i was not there i don't make up with my own imagination and base my doctrine off of my guess

Were there infants unless you were there you do not know

Even if there were do we know they were sprinkled with water or dunked again we dont know

So at minimum the sprinkling is in error

Second if we were to sprinkle water on a infant why did Paul or any of the others "forget"to mention it

Third based on what we see in the NT when baptism is done its by submergion not sprinkling so there is yet another flaw

 

[Gregory95]

I don't support a doctrine that causes burdens to true believers. I don't take part in the effects of any such doctrine.

You support infant "baptism"

We know baptism is not done by sprinkling

Second the stumbling stone of it is some get the idea a infant needs it or else he'll (just scroll through this thread to see this)

Third it burdens those who think they HAVE to get it done (scroll through this thread to see)

Fourth it causes division (scroll through this thread to see)

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

What does that mean.... How am I to know if my 10 day old infant has been saved?

I recommend having them baptized and reading to them from God's Word.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

You support infant "baptism"

We know baptism is not done by sprinkling

Baptism is done by God via washing and God's Word.

Second the stumbling stone of it is some get the idea a infant needs it or else he'll (just scroll through this thread to see this)

Or else he'll... what?

Third it burdens those who think they HAVE to get it done (scroll through this thread to see)

I have already shared a number of times at CF my belief that while baptism is necessary, it is not absolutely necessary.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Infants are able to respond to grace. Every human needs saving. From death, seperation from God, and sin, whether they themselves have sinned individually, or not. Thus, infants are candidates for baptism, too.

Do you believe someone can enter Heaven WITHOUT being dunked in water or sprinkled? Do you believe everyone who is dunked in water receives the Holy Spirit and is Born of God?

 

[Albion]

i did nothing of the sort

i was not there i don't make up with my own imagination and base my doctrine off of my guess

Were there infants unless you were there you do not know

I also do not know if the water used was carbonated or dirty or if the baptisms we read about in the NT required the person to dress a certain way or what to say exactly.

We have to answer those kinds of questions using common sense and scripture, realizing that the answer is not certain, one way or the other. But understanding also that the most likely situation was 1) children included & 2) immersion optional.

You may say that we do not know for a certainty that there were any children in the typical household of that time (although there are today) but it is a much less likely case that there were not any. Therefore, and if we have to choose one way to go...it's to baptize the whole family on the parent's professions and commitment.

 

[Albion]

Do you believe someone can enter Heaven WITHOUT being dunked in water or sprinkled?

Yes, but that doesn't mean it is a great idea to go out of one's way to avoid baptism.

(By the way, most people who are baptized are neither dunked nor sprinkled. I get that it's fun to use those words, but they are not representative of what happens.)

 

[Gregory95]

I also do not know if the water used was carbonated or dirty or if the baptisms we read about in the NT required the person to dress a certain way or what to say exactly.

We have to answer those kinds of questions using common sense and scripture, realizing that the answer is not certain, one way or the other. But understanding also that the most likely situation was 1) children included & 2) immersion optional.

You may say that we do not know for a certainty that there were any children in the typical household of that time (although there are today) but it is a much less likely case that there were not any. Therefore, and if we have to choose one way to go...it's to baptize the whole family on the parent's professions and commitment.

Did you read acts 8:36-37

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Yes, but that doesn't mean it is a great idea to go out of one's way to avoid baptism.

(By the way, most people who are baptized are neither dunked nor sprinkled. I get that it's fun to use those words, but they are not representative of what happens.)

I completely agree. Just checking.

 

[Albion]

Did you read acts 8:36-37

Yes. Water is used in baptisms.

 

[JacksBratt]

I recommend having them baptized and reading to them from God's Word.

You're serious?

So, an infant, that does not get baptized and does not have a person to read the bible to them, will go to hell if they die?

 

[Albion]

I do not recall anyone saying that.

I do recall posts which, however, said that this absolutely is NOT the case.