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Infant Baptism?

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In all of the years I've been doing religious debates (et al), there are a handful of issues that I've not gotten a straight answer on.

This is one of them.

On what basis is the act of infant baptism justified?

The only Biblical justification anyone's ever shown me was a passage talking about "entire households" being baptized, but that's an argument from silence as the ages of the involved aren't given.

I've also not seen any writings from the first few centuries of Christian history supporting the practice; if anything, I've seen more material that could be used to support vicarious baptism than infant baptism.

So - what's the theological justification?

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In all of the years I've been doing religious debates (et al), there are a handful of issues that I've not gotten a straight answer on.

This is one of them.

On what basis is the act of infant baptism justified?

The only Biblical justification anyone's ever shown me was a passage talking about "entire households" being baptized, but that's an argument from silence as the ages of the involved aren't given.

I've also not seen any writings from the first few centuries of Christian history supporting the practice; if anything, I've seen more material that could be used to support vicarious baptism than infant baptism.

So - what's the theological justification?

Thanks.

1) Scripture doesn't place limits on who may be baptized. The Great Commission has Jesus saying "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." There is nothing here about age. Infants and children are part of "all nations". Further we read in Acts 2:38-39 "Repent and be baptized, all of you, in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call." Our Lord Jesus says, "Do not prohibit the little children from coming to Me."

2) Baptism, like circumcision before, is the mark and seal of the people of God. In Colossians ch. 2 the Apostle writes, "In him also you were circumcised with a spiritual circumcision, by putting off the body of the flesh in the circumcision of Christ; when you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead."

3) When anyone speaks on the topic of baptizing infants and small children in the ancient Church it is understood to be the ancient and apostolic practice, even critics of the practice such as Tertullian recognize it as the common practice in all the churches. Those who argued against the baptism of infants did not argue against it because infants couldn't be baptized, but because they believed baptism should be put off as long as possible to ensure that one could not stumble and sin again after baptism and thus jeopardize their salvation. Hence why Constantine waited until his death bed to receive baptism; however this view is rather extreme and didn't survive into the middle ages and the modern era.

A couple statements from the writings of the Fathers:

"For He came to save all through means of Himself— all, I say, who through Him are born again to God — infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men. He therefore passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, thus sanctifying infants; a child for children, thus sanctifying those who are of this age, being at the same time made to them an example of piety, righteousness, and submission; a youth for youths, becoming an example to youths, and thus sanctifying them for the Lord." - St. Irenaeus of Lyons

"In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants." - Origen of Alexandria

For us who baptize our infants and small children there is no reason not to baptize our children and every reason to baptize them. Remembering that Baptism isn't about a personal decision to dedicate oneself to Jesus, but is about the gracious God condescending to meet us and unite us to the crucified and risen Jesus, apply the forgiveness of all our sins, grant us new birth in Christ and the Holy Spirit, and make us members of Christ's Body, the Church. It is the work of God, not of man, for it contains God's inviolate and irrevocable promises.

From the Lutheran confessions

"Baptism is nothing else than the Word of God in the water, commanded by His institution, or, as Paul says, a washing in the Word; as also Augustine says: Let the Word come to the element, and it becomes a Sacrament. And for this reason we do not hold with Thomas and the monastic preachers [or Dominicans] who forget the Word (God's institution) and say that God has imparted to the water a spiritual power, which through the water washes away sin. Nor [do we agree] with Scotus and the Barefooted monks [Minorites or Franciscan monks], who teach that, by the assistance of the divine will, Baptism washes away sins, and that this ablution occurs only through the will of God, and by no means through the Word or water.

Of the baptism of children we hold that children ought to be baptized. For they belong to the promised redemption made through Christ, and the Church should administer it [Baptism and the announcement of that promise] to them.
" - Smalcald Articles, Part III, Article V

The question is ultimately why do we baptize infants and children, the question for us is really why wouldn't we?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Thank you for giving me something that can actually be researched and evaluated.

Further we read in Acts 2:38-39 "Repent and be baptized, all of you, in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call."

Having read this in the KJV, I find myself wondering if this verse wasn't meant more as a general "you and all of your offspring will benefit" rather than a specific permission for infant baptism.

Our Lord Jesus says, "Do not prohibit the little children from coming to Me."

I also find myself wondering if perhaps this verse is not being taken from its intended context, one of "don't do anything that would keep children from knowing me".

3) When anyone speaks on the topic of baptizing infants and small children in the ancient Church it is understood to be the ancient and apostolic practice, even critics of the practice such as Tertullian recognize it as the common practice in all the churches.

This being said, however, just because something is common does not make it proper. As an example of this, consider the issue of snake-handling; it was common enough in much of the United States at one point and had a (tenuous) Biblical basis, but it has since been rejected by most Christians as being needlessly dangerous and an effort to "tempt God" into acting. Given this, although the practice is widespread, I find myself wondering about the origins thereof.

"For He came to save all through means of Himself— all, I say, who through Him are born again to God — infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men. He therefore passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, thus sanctifying infants; a child for children, thus sanctifying those who are of this age, being at the same time made to them an example of piety, righteousness, and submission; a youth for youths, becoming an example to youths, and thus sanctifying them for the Lord." - St. Irenaeus of Lyons

Do you have the specific work that this comes from?

From the citation, the last line appears to be him speaking of youths specifically rather than "infants and youths", suggesting that there's some context I'm missing.

"In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants." - Origen of Alexandria

This tells me that it was a common practice at the time he wrote (something that is not in dispute), but sadly does not tell me the theological justification behind it.
 
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Thank you for giving me something that can actually be researched and evaluated.

Having read this in the KJV, I find myself wondering if this verse wasn't meant more as a general "you and all of your offspring will benefit" rather than a specific permission for infant baptism.

Their offspring can only benefit of the promises attached to Baptism with Baptism.

I also find myself wondering if perhaps this verse is not being taken from its intended context, one of "don't do anything that would keep children from knowing me"

I think that's precisely the point of Jesus' statement--and from a traditionalist perspective to deny our children Baptism would be denying them knowing Christ.

This being said, however, just because something is common does not make it proper. As an example of this, consider the issue of snake-handling; it was common enough in much of the United States at one point and had a (tenuous) Biblical basis, but it has since been rejected by most Christians as being needlessly dangerous and an effort to "tempt God" into acting. Given this, although the practice is widespread, I find myself wondering about the origins thereof

While the argument of ad populum certainly is invalid; the argument here isn't the practice is right because it is popular or common, but that those in antiquity regarded it as standard and normative.



Do you have the specific work that this comes from?

Against Heresies 2.22.4

From the citation, the last line appears to be him speaking of youths specifically rather than "infants and youths", suggesting that there's some context I'm missing.

"Being thirty years old when He came to be baptized, and then possessing the full age of a Master, He came to Jerusalem, so that He might be properly acknowledged by all as a Master. For He did not seem one thing while He was another, as those affirm who describe Him as being man only in appearance; but what He was, that He also appeared to be. Being a Master, therefore, He also possessed the age of a Master, not despising or evading any condition of humanity, nor setting aside in Himself that law which He had appointed for the human race, but sanctifying every age, by that period corresponding to it which belonged to Himself. For He came to save all through means of Himself— all, I say, who through Him are born again to God — infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men. He therefore passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, thus sanctifying infants; a child for children, thus sanctifying those who are of this age, being at the same time made to them an example of piety, righteousness, and submission; a youth for youths, becoming an example to youths, and thus sanctifying them for the Lord. So likewise He was an old man for old men, that He might be a perfect Master for all, not merely as respects the setting forth of the truth, but also as regards age, sanctifying at the same time the aged also, and becoming an example to them likewise. Then, at last, He came on to death itself, that He might be "the first-born from the dead, that in all things He might have the pre-eminence," the Prince of life, existing before all, and going before all."

The context is the Incarnation, it is firstly a denunciation of Docetic views and an affirmation of Christ's Incarnation, as one who has experienced the entire range of the human experience, from birth and infancy to adulthood and death; He has therefore consecrated and made holy the entire human creature. It is within this context that the bishop speaks of all through Him are born again to God--infants, children, etc. The new birth being baptism as is testified universally in the writings of the ancient Church vis-a-vis John 3:5, as Irenaeus himself also writes elsewhere,

"It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [it served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions; being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: "Unless a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."" - Fragments of Irenaeus' writings, Fragment 34

This tells me that it was a common practice at the time he wrote (something that is not in dispute), but sadly does not tell me the theological justification behind it.

The significance of baptizing infants is the same as the baptism of an adult. These aren't two different sorts of baptism, or two different baptisms; it's just Baptism. The reason for including infants is as already mentioned:

1) Christ's command to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them.

2) The meaning and significance of Baptism itself.

3) Not rejecting or denying our infants or young children from coming to Christ in the waters of Baptism, not prohibiting them--since Scripture nor Christian teaching provides a justification for prohibiting children from Baptism.

Further: As Baptism evolved out of the Jewish practice of tevilah in the mikveh, it seems important to point out that, yes, young children also receive a ritual bath along with their parents when converting to Judaism, this point shouldn't be insignificant here, this article here describes specifically converting an adopted child, though the child of a convert would involve both entering into the mikveh to receive tevilah.

The place of infants and small children in the community of faith is something early Christians almost certainly would have taken for granted, something which was a fundamental dimension of Jewish religious community life. Circumcision as the covenant sign, tevilah as part of the rite of conversion provide two key components for the way Christians understood Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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That being said, though, I'd love to know the approximate point at which it was determined "just as we used to do tevilah for our children, so we shall do baptism".

I'd be rather doubtful that such could be determined, or even that it was a conscientious decision.

In much the same way that Christian worship developed from the worship forms of Judaism rather organically but put through a distinctively Christian filter. The Scriptures were read in a Christocentric way, prayer, singing, etc organically took on a distinctive Christian character. Similarly this religious bathing took on a distinctly Christian and Christocentric significance.

This is evidenced by the fact of baptism itself. The Christian practice of baptizing wasn't new, but it was distinctive because it was Christian baptism. Its meaning was comprehended and bound up in the person and work of Jesus Christ, which the New Testament then speaks of.

The point I am making by bringing up tevilah is simply this: it would not require any sort of leap in thinking that Christians ought to have their children baptized, it would flow organically within the transition from Jewish tevilah to Christian baptism in the ordinary experience of those ancient Christian communities.

This is, of course, my conjecture; and it seems to me that of available evidences the strength is toward the fact that the baptism of infants and young children was normative, even from the beginning, that no explicit mention exists of children being baptized in the earliest years would simply be an argument from silence which is no argument at all.

Ultimately it really boils down this for those of us who have our infants and children baptized: Our question is why should we deprive our children from the Sacrament of Holy Baptism? If Baptism is everything we believe it is, and Christ commands that we baptize, by what rationale would we deny Baptism to our children? Why would we try and behave like gate keepers, keeping our children out of God's kingdom when Christ Himself says that the kingdom is for such as these?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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LDS theology holds that children younger than the age of eight and those who have serious mental health issues that leave them operating at less than an eight-year-old level have no need of baptism; while they may be able to comprehend that something is right or wrong, they cannot generally comprehend why something is right or wrong and so won't be held accountable for what they can't understand.

It's because of this that the concept of baptizing infants - beings who have no capability to even understand that something is right or wrong - is so anathema to LDS theology.

Interestingly enough, about a century or so after this precept was handed down, Piaget developed his theory of cognitive development. 8 is in keeping with his concept of the "concrete operational stage", which is when children can begin to use logic.
 
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LDS theology holds that children younger than the age of eight and those who have serious mental health issues that leave them operating at less than an eight-year-old level have no need of baptism; while they may be able to comprehend that something is right or wrong, they cannot generally comprehend why something is right or wrong and so won't be held accountable for what they can't understand.

It's because of this that the concept of baptizing infants - beings who have no capability to even understand that something is right or wrong - is so anathema to LDS theology.

Interestingly enough, about a century or so after this precept was handed down, Piaget developed his theory of cognitive development. 8 is in keeping with his concept of the "concrete operational stage", which is when children can begin to use logic.

In Lutheran thinking the efficacy of Baptism is based upon the promise of God's word. And therefore Baptism is efficacious to accomplish what it promises. And since we enter into the world sinful, one of those things is that in Baptism we are freely cleansed of all our sins on Christ's account through faith. Faith not being a matter of the intellect, but the free gift of God (Ephesians 2:8-9) which comes by the word of God (Romans 10:17). That is to say, yes, the baptized infant has faith in Christ, because Baptism accomplishes what it promises; it is the normative Means by which God unites us to Christ, grants us the Holy Spirit, and makes us Christians through new birth in Him. He does this freely and wonderfully apart from our own strength and efforts, as it is entirely by God's grace alone.

So for us the idea of depriving our children of God's free gift, depriving our children from hearing and receiving the Gospel, would be unacceptable.

The efficacy of the Gospel is not found in the power of man's intellect, reason, or will; it is found in the grace and promise of God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Thing is, the church rejects the concept that everyone is born inherently wicked and sinful. Rather, it holds that people have the capacity to sin, a key difference.

What is "the church"?

The bible tells us that we're conceived in sin, not that we're conceived with the capacity to sin, as well as "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

In that light, because baptism is a regeneration, a washing away of our sins, why would anyone deprive ANYONE of baptism?
 
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What is "the church"?

The bible tells us that we're conceived in sin, not that we're conceived with the capacity to sin, as well as "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

In that light, because baptism is a regeneration, a washing away of our sins, why would anyone deprive ANYONE of baptism?

The scripture you quoted "All have sinned" (Romans 3:23) (italics mine). The verb tense implies that sin is an action someone has done, not generic inbred condition. Of course anyone at the age of reason surely has sinned (we all screw up).

But how do you get "conceived" in sin from this verse?
 
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Thing is, the church rejects the concept that everyone is born inherently wicked and sinful. Rather, it holds that people have the capacity to sin, a key difference.

Which would put the LDS church at odds with the historic Christian position.

Though it's worth noting the differences between the Western tradition in regard to Original Sin, and the Eastern tradition in regard to Ancestral Sin.

In both cases, however, there is an emphatic rejection of the heresy of Pelagianism; that man is born entirely free and innocent and it remains, at least in potential, for him to in his own power to live a truly righteous life before God.

In the Western tradition the reality of man's fallen-ness is not merely that man is capable of sinning, but that the very nature of man has become bent and corrupted. What man inherits is not the responsibility of Adam's sin (as is sometimes argued) but rather concupiscience; the inward and self-serving desire toward sin. More than merely a sinful disposition toward the potentiality of sin, it is the reality of sin itself at work in our members, in our mortal flesh.

From a Lutheran perspective this means we are totally depraved, not totally evil, but in the total extent of our humanity bent and broken under the effects and weight of sin. Including our will. Which is why the will not free, the very volitional power of man is itself bent and broken and turned inward to seek out our own self interest over and against the interest of our neighbor and certainly aimed away from God. As the Apostle writes,

"'There is no one who is righteous, not even one; there is no one who has understanding, there is no one who seeks God. All have turned aside, together they have become worthless; there is no one who shows kindness, there is not even one.'" - Romans 3:11-12

This problem is entirely entrenched in the deepest and fullest extent of our humanity; so we need something more than a judicial pardon of the individual acts of sin which we commit, we need a transformation of who and what we are, to be born again, born anew, to become a new creation. In Christ we are a new creation, we have been born again in the waters of Baptism and become members and partakers and sharers of Christ; having died with Him and therefore rising also with Him to new life, to the life He now lives as the victor over sin.

Through Baptism we have become members of Christ, and thus are His Body, members of His Church, and in this Church we hear and receive Word and Sacrament by which Christ comes to us and renews us and in which we have faith by which He saves us. We have the Law preached pressing us to our knees in repentance, so that we might drown the old man daily in remembrance of our baptism, and we have the Gospel preached that we might hear and know that our sins are indeed truly forgiven and that we might walk in the new obedience of Christ. We now hope and trust in the external promises of God for us that on account of God's mercy through that faith which He so graciously gives us toward that future day when He who began a good work will complete that good work.

We need a total transfiguration, which in Christ on Calvary for the whole world is now ours by grace through faith, and finished on the Last Day when we shall be raised up immortal and incorruptible to that eternal life of the Age to Come. That is the promise we have received in Baptism, for both today and the future, that today we belong to Christ so that in the future we shall, in Christ, pass through God's Judgment and made the truly glorified and just ones He now declares us to be in Christ on Christ's account alone.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The scripture you quoted "All have sinned" (Romans 3:23) (italics mine). Of course anyone at the age of reason surely has sinned (we all screw up).

Referring to sin as screwing up gives me a hint that you might not fully understand the holiness of God, nor the sin of man. If you don't understand the magnitude of the problem then you won't understand the solution either.
 
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