Incredible - a single cell

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Barbarian observes:
(Darwin) thought God just created the first living things. So either you're completely wrong, or "demonic" doesn't mean what the dictionary says it means.



There's only one. I thought you knew. And we always capitalize His name.

What's His Name?

Also:

Ecclesiastes 7
"29Only this have I found: I have discovered that God made men upright, but they have sought out many schemes." (Emphasis Mine)

...schemes...science...schism...scythe...

 

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insurmountable problems

According to who's perceptual mold?

 

[The Barbarian]

What's His Name?

Hebrews call Him Yahweh. We call Him God. Don't worry about it; there's only one. He'll know what you mean.

 

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Hebrews call Him Yahweh. We call Him God. Don't worry about it; there's only one. He'll know what you mean.

People call many things "God"...it's not a name, but derives from "Gott".

Gott - Wiktionary

It's also a German surname:

Gott - Wikipedia

 

[The Barbarian]

But what is evolved to some may just be a variation of an original design blueprint that has great scope to change.

That's what evolution is. DNA has great scope to change. And that's how it works.

That great scope to change is part of the design software so to speak just like a computer software has scope to create many variations.

In the sense that He created a world in which beings like us could evolve.

Afterall all the changes talked about within species still only have the same basic body plans that have either become bigger, smaller, longer, flatter, disappeared, reappeared etc ect.

Do you think that bats and whales have the same "body plan?" That's a tricky question; tell me what you think and we can talk about it.

These changes are perhaps influenced by environments such as with larger animals and plants it was higher levels of oxygen, But a massive limb is still a limb just like a very small one on an insect. It could even be that the original design has the ability to produce new systems that can produce extensions of the original design like a system within a system. But still, this is something inherent from the original design.

"Design", no. Creation, yes. God is not limited as we are. He merely creates without figuring anything out. Omniscient, after all.

Something perhaps we will never be able to understand and reproduce artificially and something that cannot be reproduced by a random and blind process.

Darwin's great discovery was that it's not random.

 

[The Barbarian]

People call many things "God"...it's not a name, but derives from "Gott".

No.

"God" and "Gott" are cognates, both most likely derived from proto-Indoeuropean "*ghut." We call Him God, because He is the only one.

 

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No.

"God" and "Gott" are cognates, both most likely derived from proto-Indoeuropean "*ghut." We call Him God, because He is the only one.

Is Allah God?

 

[The Barbarian]

Is Allah God?

Allah is what Arabic Christians call God. When Moses asked Him, so he could tell the Israelites Who sent him, God replies "I am that I am." Literally, “Ehyeh asher ehyeh.”

 

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Allah is what Arabic Christians call God.

So, your answer is yes?

 

[The Barbarian]

Is Allah God?

Barbarian observes:
Allah is what Arabic Christians call God. When Moses asked Him, so he could tell the Israelites Who sent him, God replies "I am that I am." Literally, “Ehyeh asher ehyeh.”

So, your answer is yes?

That depends on whether or not you think Christians worship the right God, I suppose.

 

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Barbarian observes:
Allah is what Arabic Christians call God. When Moses asked Him, so he could tell the Israelites Who sent him, God replies "I am that I am." Literally, “Ehyeh asher ehyeh.”



That depends on whether or not you think Moses had it right, I suppose.

As I understand it Allah may be related to the word Alahim (Elohim), but I don't know this for certain. Even if there is a relation between those words...this is still not the Name of the Creator.

 

[The Barbarian]

As I understand it Allah may be related to the word Alahim (Elohim

They are cognates, yes. However, as God indicated when Moses asked His name, it doesn't matter what name we use, so long as we recognize His majesty and goodness as the Creator.

 

[nolidad]

you think that ICR and the others of their ilk are giving reasonable excuses for their pseudoscience. Anyone who actually understands basic science knows that their explanations have insurmountable problems . Morris’ hydrological sorting idea explains , for example,that dinosaurs were slower than horses, which is why they’re found lower in the fossil record. But it doesn’t explain how magnolias were able to outrun ferns . The creationist explanation for paleontological geology is ad hoc and if looked at in detail , is also rather silly! ALL creationist explanations of natural phenomena are like that. Which is why the scientific community ignores them ( and does eye rolls and facepalms when they read them)

Well it seems you offer more ad-hoc and ad hominems opinions than you accuse anyone who is YEC does.

Hydraulic sortation is a demonstrated fact. Is it absolute? of course not but it holds as a general rule! (That is why it was in many college textbooks)

YEC geology? No not ad-hoc, but strong evidence. fossils almost exclusively are formed by sedimentary slurry. Quick death and compacted burial (aka a flood). Mt. St. Helens has proven absolutely that thousands of sedimentary strata can form in just a few years and not taker hundreds of thousands and millions of years to form!

The geologic column as portrayed in the textbooks- only appears in the textbooks. The real world is loaded with legions of anomalies.

When you take teh global flood of Noah as a hypothesis and then go and research to find evidence- it all makes ssense.

What is really silly is the evolutionist paleontology that says thousands of floods that hit all over the world at different times (and sometimes because of multiple lasers of differing fossils in one location) hit the same place over X years is what is silly!

 

[dad]

Barbarian observes:
(Darwin) thought God just created the first living things. So either you're completely wrong, or "demonic" doesn't mean what the dictionary says it means.



There's only one. I thought you knew. And we always capitalize His name.

gods are a dime a dozen. Fallen angels have been gods. Rome had lots of Gods, as does, I think, Hinduism. Greek had gods coming out the gazebo. Babylon, Egypt...etc etc.

There is one true Living God and creator and savior of course, and that is Jesus. The other gods are false. Many gods and idols may even have been made up nonsense and not real.

Now when we have a claim from science that man arose from some single celled creature and then the lifeform underwent endless changes that are responsible for all types of life on earth, that is not from the spirit or word of God.

 

[The Barbarian]

gods are a dime a dozen.

Not for Christians. Unless you count Mormons as Christians. They think they all could eventually be Gods.

Now when we have a claim from science that man arose from some single celled creature

That's not what science says. It says humans evolved from other species of humans.

and then the lifeform underwent endless changes that are responsible for all types of life on earth,

Common descent is part of science, yes. But of course, science uses man's intelligence to learn all the things about God's creation that He didn't tell us about in scripture. That's why He gave us intelligence. For example, neutrons have some practical uses even if God didn't tell us about them.

that is not from the spirit or word of God.

Right. Sub-atomic particles are part of His scriptures. Could it be that you have a non-scriptural belief that it can't be true, if it's not in the Bible?

 

[dad]

Not for Christians.

Ge 31:30 - And now, though thou wouldest needs be gone, because thou sore longedst after thy father's house, yet wherefore hast thou stolen my gods?

Ge 35:2 -Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:

Ge 35:4 -And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

Ex 12:12 -For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

Need more!?

That's not what science says. It says humans evolved from other species of humans.

In the longer term, bananas, cockroaches, worms, man, etc etc etc are all said to have a common ancestor. Then they get into grouping the ape skulls with the post flood man skulls, etc etc as if man came from the animals. That is not fact, that is belief.

Common descent is part of science, yes.

We know. NOT part of the word of God though, obviously.

But of course, science uses man's intelligence to learn all the things about God's creation that He didn't tell us about in scripture.

Satan also uses the vanity and so called wisdom of man to deceive. So, how can we know the difference? One way. His word. Period.

Right. Sub-atomic particles are part of His scriptures. Could it be that you have a non-scriptural belief that it can't be true, if it's not in the Bible?

By Him all things consist. There is nothing in the bible that says tiny little parts of creation do not exist. There is something and plenty of somethings that say God created man one fine day. It tells us where we came from and where we are going.

 

[The Barbarian]

(verses about gods)

There is only one God. He created you. Don't confuse fake gods with the real thing. They aren't real; God is.

In the longer term, bananas, cockroaches, worms, man, etc etc etc are all said to have a common ancestor.

The first evidence for that came long before Darwin. Linnaeus produced a family tree that showed relationships between living things. Later, when DNA was understood, it was predicted that DNA analysis would show the same evolutionary relationships. It does. And we know it works, because we can test it on organisms of known descent.

Satan also uses the vanity and so called wisdom of man to deceive.

Example of Satan doing so: "Did God not say that living things reproduce according to their kind?"

He deludes creationists by using part of the truth.

So, how can we know the difference?

Set aside your pride and accept scripture His way.

 

[dad]

(verses about gods)

There is only one God. He created you. Don't confuse fake gods with the real thing. They aren't real; God is.

One God, may gods.

Ge 31:30 - And now, though thou wouldest needs be gone, because thou sore longedst after thy father's house, yet wherefore hast thou stolen my gods?

Ge 35:2 -Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:

Ge 35:4 -And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

Ex 12:12 -For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

The first evidence for that came long before Darwin. Linnaeus produced a family tree that showed relationships between living things.

Not relationships due to common ancestry.

Later, when DNA was understood, it was predicted that DNA analysis would show the same evolutionary relationships. It does. And we know it works, because we can test it on organisms of known descent.

Great, show an example of this...ha.

Example of Satan doing so: "Did God not say that living things reproduce according to their kind?"

He deludes creationists by using part of the truth.

That is not in the bible. What is in the bible is the old serpent in the garden trying to cast doubt that God meant what He said!





Set aside your pride and accept scripture His way.[/QUOTE]

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
The first evidence for that came long before Darwin. Linnaeus produced a family tree that showed relationships between living things.

Not relationships due to common ancestry.

Turns out, it does show common ancestry. Linnaeus, impressed with the family tree he got for living things, tried to do it with minerals. Couldn't do it. Because we see nested hierarchies only in cases of common descent.

Great, show an example of this...ha.

Sure.
Two new papers add DNA from 64 ancient individuals to the sparse genetic record of the Americas. They show that people related to the Anzick child, part of the Clovis culture, quickly spread across both North and South America about 13,000 years ago.
Ancient DNA confirms Native Americans’ deep roots in North and South America

How Satan deludes creationists:
Example of Satan doing so: "Did God not say that living things reproduce according to their kind?"

He deludes creationists by using part of the truth.

That is not in the bible.

No, it's not. But creationists almost always try that one.

 

[dad]

Turns out, it does show common ancestry.

Not for the distant past. That is only inferred by faith based on how things work today. I kid you not.

Linnaeus, impressed with the family tree he got for living things, tried to do it with minerals. Couldn't do it. Because we see nested hierarchies only in cases of common descent.

Life is not a rock. Glad he clued in somewhat.

Sure.
Two new papers add DNA from 64 ancient individuals to the sparse genetic record of the Americas. They show that people related to the Anzick child, part of the Clovis culture, quickly spread across both North and South America about 13,000 years ago.
Ancient DNA confirms Native Americans’ deep roots in North and South America

I agree (except the faith based imaginary timeframe) Post flood man did start to have modern DNA. try to show some from before Noah and you will run into a wall so high, that you need a telescope to see the top. I suspect the flood may have been somewhere around the time the KT layer was put down. Feel free to offer DNA from before that!

He deludes creationists by using part of the truth.

Part of what God said, to be more precise. The part he uses will tend to be opposed directly to other parts He said. That is the name of the game.