In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins

[Armoured]

Jungian archetypes? Oh, this'll be good...

 

[joshua 1 9]

Then show me a single post where I said that education only works if you accept MY reality.

I do not want to talk about you that is against the rules.

Evolution isn't a belief. It is reality.

Evolution is an attempt to understand reality.

 

[Loudmouth]

I do not want to talk about you that is against the rules.

Then admit you were mistaken about my position. That's all I ask.

Evolution is an attempt to understand reality.

Evolution is based on reality. That's the whole point.

 

[Job8]

"More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades.

I believe that statistic is inaccurate. It is probably more like 95% of Americans believe in God and in creation. Even many scientists reject evolution.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I believe that statistic is inaccurate. It is probably more like 95% of Americans believe in God and in creation. Even many scientists reject evolution.

Evidence of this claim?

 

[Job8]

Evidence of this claim?

Here's the result of my poll. Never, never, has anyone responded, "No, I believe in evolution, I insist that I came from a fish." Everyone has said something like, "You know, I never really believed that anyway." Obviously the door is wide open for further discussion.

http://www.icr.org/article/do-people-really-believe-evolution/

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

http://www.icr.org/article/do-people-really-believe-evolution/

An article from the Institute for Creation Research, with a poll for which we can see NONE of the questions asked but from what write says would be very heavily loaded questions, is your support.
*insert sarcastic clap* Absolutely brilliant. You've obviously shown me wrong.

 

[Deadworm]

Well, as one preacher I heard put it:
"You can believe man is a product of a baboon convention, if you want to, but I'd rather know the Rock of Ages than the ages of the rock. Amen? Honestly, when I drive by them liberal churches, I take my hat off out of respect for the dead! I like my religion the way I like my tea--hot! `Cause it's easier to cool a hot coal than to warm up a corpse. And I'd rather be a fool on fire than a scholar on ice! Somebody say, "Amen!""

Whatever you may think of his words, you gotta admit they're memorable!

 

[joshua 1 9]

Evidence of this claim?

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx

Notice that the question on that poll that is not asked is "Do you believe that God created everything?".

 

[joshua 1 9]

Jungian archetypes? Oh, this'll be good...

They already conceded the value of the Bible as a study in archetypes.

 

[Cimorene]

I think in Canada the number of people who believe in creationism is way, way, way smaller.

 

[46AND2]

I think in Canada the number of people who believe in creationism is way, way, way smaller.

The numbers I have seen would support that...maybe without a "way" or two.

 

[crjmurray]

Well, as one preacher I heard put it:
"You can believe man is a product of a baboon convention, if you want to, but I'd rather know the Rock of Ages than the ages of the rock. Amen? Honestly, when I drive by them liberal churches, I take my hat off out of respect for the dead! I like my religion the way I like my tea--hot! `Cause it's easier to cool a hot coal than to warm up a corpse. And I'd rather be a fool on fire than a scholar on ice! Somebody say, "Amen!""

Whatever you may think of his words, you gotta admit they're memorable!

Yes traumatic brain injuries can have terrible side effects on a person's cognitive abilities.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Notice that the question on that poll that is not asked is "Do you believe that God created everything?".

That is the point. 92% of the people believe in God but only 42% believes that God created the Universe 6,000 years ago.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That is the point. 92% of the people believe in God but only 42% believes that God created the Universe 6,000 years ago.

And?

 

[Gene2memE]

One generation in the US is all it will take to see religion demoted into the minority, it will then slowly sink into oblivion in the same way it has in the rest of the civilised world.

Be careful about drawing long term conclusions from current short term trends. History shows us that the popularity of religious belief waxes and wanes for any number of reasons. And, the US tends to go its own way compared with the rest of the developed world.

If religiosity is still in decline in 15-20 years, when the children of the current generation with high levels of non-belief start to come of age, then I'll accept that there's a structural change in religiosity in the US.

 

[DTate98]

Just because you think that is true, doesn't make it so.
Eventually you will realize that everyone believes they
are correct, and some will become correct because that
is what they believe. The impossible has been corrected
many, many times by those with a different view.

So you're saying if someone believes hard enough, their belief will be true?

 

[lesliedellow]

"More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades.

That's why us Europeans despair of the American education system.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The difference is that some people can demonstrate they are correct by supporting their position with objective evidence. Creationists aren't in this group.

False.

I've never ever seen anything made by man that wasn't created, in turn I surmise, a universe/all that is in it, and being much much more complicated than man can create, must have been created as well, and by a much higher intelligence. So if a higher intelligence created man, then why not let man know exactly what is going on, and use a Bible to make that known.

Then I look at the popular alternative to a creator. One of a few explanations include... the presence of the universe and all that is in it just happened over time, starting from some big bang out of nothing and for no particular reason. Then if they get bashed for the something " just appearing" theory, especially something so sophisticated ....some move to, "it doesn't matter how it started" or "we don't know, and it's OK not to know"....only because they finally figured out that beats the heck out of the "from nothing" or other theories.....plus they've now released themselves from the unexplained and can allow themselves to move to only a partial explanation of where man came from...convenient to say the least. You want more views, just refute one, and you will get another, never fails...all kinds of answers to deny a creator, but none viable when they are pinned down....not that I've seen anyway.

So, I look at the two basic choices and it's easy for me anyway, to make an objective choice of a creator. They will claim my faith is involved but fact is, the only reason I have faith to begin with is because I drew the objective conclusion the creator was something to put my faith in. The faith came after, not before. Even with people that were brought up in the faith have moments in their life where they take an objective look at things in deciding if they are really on the right path, happens all the time.

Point being Creationists can and absolutely do "support their position with objective evidence"....evidence defined as simply being something that makes something evident.

But Oh no! the Atheist cries, it has to be scientific evidence, logical conclusion is not allowed as evidence (another made up convenience), and they do make it clear often enough logic is not allowed for them, as in "science is the only thing that can produce evidence, and BTW, we know science doesn't/can't prove anything, but scientific evidence is still our proof, but wait a minute?.....that's not logical is it?"

One thing that is often proven, there is such and entity as the Master of Confusion.