Impreccable proof for the Biblical Flood

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET why do you insist on making yourself out to be a complete idiot? perhaps you don't see it because of your crazy belief system and maybe the people around you all act the same, but believe me that's how you come across.

-- Thank you.

 

[Belk]

If you mean He cleaned up the mess afterward -- yes.

(Remember, kids, Chatty Cathy says, "If you spill something -- directly intervene to make it look like it didn't happen.")

No, we mean removed all evidence that a global flood occurred.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, we mean removed all evidence that a global flood occurred.

Then I'll take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

If you mean He cleaned up the mess afterward -- yes.

(Remember, kids, Chatty Cathy says, "If you spill something -- directly intervene to make it look like it didn't happen.")

Ah, so God is equivalent to a kid that spills milk.

 

[rjc34]

Ah, so God is equivalent to a kid that spills milk.

I like to think of him more as a kid in a sandbox. And after he makes all his little people, he realizes he made them sin too much, so he picks a few of the 'best' ones, take them out of the sandbox, and pours a giant bucket of water, destroying everything.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like to think of him more as a kid in a sandbox. And after he makes all his little people, he realizes he made them sin too much, so he picks a few of the 'best' ones, take them out of the sandbox, and pours a giant bucket of water, destroying everything.

So you think in terms of a global flood?

 

[MoonLancer]

If you mean He cleaned up the mess afterward -- yes.

(Remember, kids, Chatty Cathy says, "If you spill something -- directly intervene to make it look like it didn't happen.")

you would think that a deity as claimed in the bible wouldn't need to make a mess in the first place. I guess no one [or god] is perfect...

 

[AV1611VET]

you would think that a deity as claimed in the bible wouldn't need to make a mess in the first place. I guess no one [or god] is perfect...

I explained why He did what He did.

Eliminating them in a moment of time would have left no time for repentance.

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

 

[MoonLancer]

I explained why He did what He did.

Eliminating them in a moment of time would have left no time for repentance.

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

Your saying is false. And besides if you want to believe in a god of fear that's your prerogative.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your saying is false.

True or false, the point I'm making is quite clear; is it not?

 

[Nathan Poe]

True or false, the point I'm making is quite clear; is it not?

You don't care that your point is based on a falsehood?

Hmmm... I guess you wouldn't, just as long as it was yours.

But it does raise an interesting theological question: all those people -- thousands, maybe millions -- faced with disaster, catastrophe, and suffering beyond anything they could have ever imagined; some of them may choose to pray to whatever god they may believe in for assistance.

Those that pray to the "wrong" god die and, of course, face an eternity of hell and damnation (actually, they wouldn't, since the OT has no concept of hell, but that's another matter). Those who pray to the "right" God, completely unaware that He is the one directly and deliberately inflicting this suffering on them,will die, and be brought into His presence.

So, what happens to the ones who make it up there and ask, "God, how did that Flood happen?" Won't they be a little upset to know that God killed them just to get their last minute worship?


You see, AV -- your problem (one of many, but this isn't the time to go into all of your flaws) is that you're imposing NT ideology on an OT myth. You're assuming that God wanted to save everybody, when the simple truth of it is, He did not. The OT God is a tribal God, who has no interest whatsoever in the lives or well-being of those who are not His "chosen" people.

Just ask the Egyptians, the Amalekites, the Canaanites, the Midianites, the Gibeonites, the Elgonites, the Hebronites, the Philistines, the Edomites, or any of the others who were not "His" people -- oh, wait. They're all dead; killed either by God himself or by those acting under His direct orders.

That sound like a God who wanted people to repent -- or are you confusing him with the Warm Fuzzy Jesus of the new Testament?

 

[hillard]

And around we go again...........

 

[MoonLancer]

True or false, the point I'm making is quite clear; is it not?

I understand your point, its just false. Does god explain that he cleaned up after the flood. true or false?

 

[adimus]

I explained why He did what He did.

Eliminating them in a moment of time would have left no time for repentance.

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

Exactly who would a person raised in a culture with no real knowledge of Yahweh repent to and why?

Maybe they heard of Yahweh much the same as a person raised in the USA has heard of Allah or Lord Krishna. As they face their drowning doom, why would they randomly pick oagod or goddess to pray to? I would think that any person who was a thinker like that would be cursing any gods or goddess at that point should any capable dieties actually exist and allow such horrible tragedy.

 

[Belk]

I explained why He did what He did.

Eliminating them in a moment of time would have left no time for repentance.

As the saying goes: There are no atheists in foxholes.

Really? So he couldn't have, just as a for instance, killed them off instantly and then given them the chance to repent after death? Or, being omniscient and all, known which ones would have repented and saved those? Or, since animals can't be saved, just killed off the humans in some way? Sorry but your explanation has more holes in it then Swiss cheese.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does god explain that he cleaned up after the flood.

No -- not that I know of.

 

[AV1611VET]

Exactly who would a person raised in a culture with no real knowledge of Yahweh repent to and why?

Elohim -- because Noah preached righteousness to them for 120 years.

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

 

[MoonLancer]

Elohim -- because Noah preached righteousness to them for 120 years.

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

This is a global flood right? where in the bible did it say he preached to every person ignorant of god?

Logistically your argument fails before you made it, while ignoring the elephant in the room about his age.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No -- not that I know of.

So we agree that's strictly your own invention, with no Biblical support whatsoever.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

<staff edit>
[2 points that indicate you are making intellectual progress.

1) At least you now acknowledge that ancient humans were intelligent enough to construct a boat.

2) And at least you believe in Noah now. That's progress...