I'm through with CAF

[MikeK]

Every person who calls missing Mass a mortal sin is at best misinformed and at worst a liar. Missing Mass on an HDO without just cause is grave matter, but it is not mortal sin. It is merely an ingredient required for a mortal sin to be on one's conscience.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I have, on occasions, missed mass without being gravely ill, physically restrained from attending, or charged with the care of an infant or other dependent person but I am sure that it was not a mortal sin, and when confessed it was not regarded as a mortal sin.

I sometimes wonder why folk are so keen to discover mortal sins in other people's lives?

 

[ivebeenshown]

There is sin unto death, and sin not unto death.

Perfect love has cast aside all fear, but seeing as the overwhelming majority of us here and now have not been perfected in love, we really ought to consider why we fear or don't fear God.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I was born and brought up Catholic and i don't feel that missing Mass condemns one to hell. It goes against everything I have read in the Gospel. we are no longer under the law. In fact I think it would be difficult to find a Priest who would state that missing mass condemns one to Hell.

Instead of getting caught up in legalities, focus on living out the Gospel. Christ says :

‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

 

[HalupkiMonster]

I was a member there a few years ago. Nutters, the lot of them. I didn't stay very long.

(Babcia told me I'd be eaten by Baba Jaga if I missed mass...that's kind of the same thing...right?)

 

[AMDG]

(Babcia told me I'd be eaten by Baba Jaga if I missed mass...that's kind of the same thing...right?)

No.

 

[HalupkiMonster]

No.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Have you noticed the large number of threads lately on hell? What terrible obsessions and scrupulosity people have!

I have also found in some of my searches that there are a lot of very young posters! One the other day said he was 14. That in itself, isn't problematic, but they are barely out of the womb, yet believe they are capable of teaching everyone else how to live and what to believe. It is very discouraging, and there is no rule that says they need to disclose their age. We need to be watchful.

Some of this is because hell is not talked about enough...so probably, this is an overcompensation...

But remember, that Jesus was 12 and teaching in the synagogue. The same attitude you have was focussed toward Him.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It's not this issue that bugs me. It's the super hardcore rhetoric that's used by many. It was just this post that bugged me this time.

Ya know, sometimes the truth hurts. It is a mortal sin to miss Mass. Period. Objectively speaking. But humanely, is it always possible to go to Mass? But it is also not for us to judge.

FWIW, I like priests who aren't afraid to tell it like it is, even if the truth hits too close to home (my own heart). A priest that challenges me to do better is one I will pay attention to!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It's a mortal sin to miss Mass if you with full knowledge, willfully choose not to attend Mass.

If it was your will to attend Mass, but circumstances prevented you from doing so, it's not a sin.

Jim

 

[Tallguy88]

Some of this is because hell is not talked about enough...so probably, this is an overcompensation...

But remember, that Jesus was 12 and teaching in the synagogue. The same attitude you have was focussed toward Him.

Jesus is God. He had perfect knowledge. Normal kids are know-it-alls. I know I was.

 

[Tallguy88]

Ya know, sometimes the truth hurts. It is a mortal sin to miss Mass. Period. Objectively speaking. But humanely, is it always possible to go to Mass? But it is also not for us to judge.

FWIW, I like priests who aren't afraid to tell it like it is, even if the truth hits too close to home (my own heart). A priest that challenges me to do better is one I will pay attention to!

It's not about missing mass. It's about charity. You can be right but say it in such a way it does no good. The quote in the op convinces no one of the sinfulness of missing mass but instead turns people off and hardens their hearts against the truth.

 

[AMDG]

It's a mortal sin to miss Mass if you with full knowledge, willfully choose not to attend Mass.

If it was your will to attend Mass, but circumstances prevented you from doing so, it's not a sin.

Perhaps you have to work (that's the case with plenty of doctors and nurses), or need to tend your sick child (that's the case with plenty of mothers and fathers), or are sick (plenty of your fellow parishioners will bless you for not "spreading it around"), or perhaps you are traveling and there isn't a church around for miles. Those are all reasons that attending Mass on Sunday is not a sin. My husband calls it "having a ox in the ditch" referring to the Bible.

 

[Fran75]

Perhaps you have to work (that's the case with plenty of doctors and nurses), or need to tend your sick child (that's the case with plenty of mothers and fathers), or are sick (plenty of your fellow parishioners will bless you for not "spreading it around"), or perhaps you are traveling and there isn't a church around for miles. Those are all reasons that attending Mass on Sunday is not a sin. My husband calls it "having a ox in the ditch" referring to the Bible.

Very true, as a nurse I often work on weekends and don't really feel bad about missing church on those Sundays but the thing is as a Catholic there is always a church somewhere having liturgy other days if the week we could attend, I rarely do this and that is why I feel guilty. Hopefully when my son is grown and I retire I'll pick up the slack but I really should make more of an effort of it now.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Jesus is God. He had perfect knowledge. Normal kids are know-it-alls. I know I was.

Jesus is God, but they didn't know that. But when you listen to children speak, sometimes there's gems of wisdom that pop out of their mouths. I was a know-it-all until about 7 years ago...

 

[Root of Jesse]

It's not about missing mass. It's about charity. You can be right but say it in such a way it does no good. The quote in the op convinces no one of the sinfulness of missing mass but instead turns people off and hardens their hearts against the truth.

I guess you'd throw out the speech at the beginning of Patton (the movie) because it's full of bluster and some bad words?

All I'm saying is to appreciate the message, even if you can't take the spirit with which it's given. Charity works both ways.

 

[St_Barnabus]

But remember, that Jesus was 12 and teaching in the synagogue. The same attitude you have was focussed toward Him.

LOL! Well if these babes taught with the authority and insight that Jesus taught, I would love to listen. As it is, they know not what they are talking about, for the most part. That is a very unfair characterization.

 

[Tallguy88]

I guess you'd throw out the speech at the beginning of Patton (the movie) because it's full of bluster and some bad words?

All I'm saying is to appreciate the message, even if you can't take the spirit with which it's given. Charity works both ways.

I love that speech.

We're not at war with Protestants though, and Patton wasn't trying to give the "Catholic" point of view to anything. When you hold your self out as Catholic, or Christian for that matter, you are held to a much higher standard. That's because society is skeptical of the Church's claims and so looks for any excuse to be against us.

It's not about being nice, it's about not being a... donkey (you know...). An example: No one takes those the-end-is-near street preachers seriously. Not because the end isn't near, but because the messenger acts like a lunatic. Same sorta thing. If you're goal is to convince people that you're right, you have to have a decent presentation.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I love that speech.

We're not at war with Protestants though, and Patton wasn't trying to give the "Catholic" point of view to anything. When you hold your self out as Catholic, or Christian for that matter, you are held to a much higher standard. That's because society is skeptical of the Church's claims and so looks for any excuse to be against us.

It's not about being nice, it's about not being a... donkey (you know...). An example: No one takes those the-end-is-near street preachers seriously. Not because the end isn't near, but because the messenger acts like a lunatic. Same sorta thing. If you're goal is to convince people that you're right, you have to have a decent presentation.

Look, I'm not trying to say that those kinds of people don't irk me, too. There are ways to say things. The point I was making was to listen to the message of the message, and not worry about the huff and bluster, whoever it may be giving it. (My Mom couldn't get past Patton's 'sob''s and g-d's, and missed much of what he said in that speech)

I also don't believe I have to convince anyone of anything. That's the Holy Spirit's work. If I'm the instrument, Jesus says I'm not to worry about what (or how) to say it. I think it's best to remember that, when you point a finger at someone, it's good to remember that you have four pointed back at yourself.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Look, I'm not trying to say that those kinds of people don't irk me, too. There are ways to say things. The point I was making was to listen to the message of the message, and not worry about the huff and bluster, whoever it may be giving it. (My Mom couldn't get past Patton's 'sob''s and g-d's, and missed much of what he said in that speech)

I also don't believe I have to convince anyone of anything. That's the Holy Spirit's work. If I'm the instrument, Jesus says I'm not to worry about what (or how) to say it. I think it's best to remember that, when you point a finger at someone, it's good to remember that you have four pointed back at yourself.

You only point three back at yourself, one only has four fingers on each hand, unless something unusual happened to your hand, and one thumb, which would normally point, more or less, up ...