I'm EXLDS now bought by the blood ;-)

[Wrigley]

But you cannot prove your belief anymore than they can prove theirs. You can only prove what you believe and why you believe it. We have to accept that our belief is our belief and others have a belief that contradicts our belief. And that noone can prove their belief.

Belief:

1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
believe:

1. To accept as true or real: Do you believe the news stories?
2. To credit with veracity: I believe you.
3. To expect or suppose; think: I believe they will arrive shortly.


v. intr.

1. To have firm faith, especially religious faith.
2. To have faith, confidence, or trust: I believe in your ability to solve the problem.
3. To have confidence in the truth or value of something: We believe in free speech.
4. To have an opinion; think: They have already left, I believe.

Are all faiths and religions equal?

 

[Wrigley]

If you want to convert someone to your faith you should show the positive reasons of why they should beleive as you do so that they may see a difference in your life , your religion, and your understanding of God. To focus on what is wrong with their religion will insult most of them and just drive a bigger wedge between the two faiths. THe biggest mistake you can make in your walk with God is to assume you understand what he wants and I can cite some really bad examples in history of how christians have given their faith a blackeye as a result of that .

All we can do is preach the Gospel of Christ crucified. Part of that is to show the differences and errors of false religions. By showing these errors, we are showing the greatness of our God. We preach the Gospel, those who God has chosen to hear, will hear. Salvation is of His work, not ours.

 

[greeneyedgirl]

No but that doesn't make it any easier to prove an opinion. The christian only sections at this site have chritians debating each other on numerous issues. That's pretty common.

But iif God made Adam and Eve than he made all of us (including people that believe differently). But that cannot be proven either and is one of the more simple issues in the bible.

 

[Wrigley]

No but that doesn't make it any easier to prove an opinion. The christian only sections at this site have chritians debating each other on numerous issues. That's pretty common.

But iif God made Adam and Eve than he made all of us (including people that believe differently). But that cannot be proven either and is one of the more simple issues in the bible.

So, are we do to nothing? You seem to be taking a pessimistic view here.

 

[greeneyedgirl]

I made a very long post several entires ago about tolerance and that is my solution to the answer. God loved us so much he allowed his son to die for our sins. That is a message of love. Learning to love and forgive others is a message of love.


But to tell someone they are not going to heaven because they are jewish or Mormon is a stereotyped statement equated to saying all Moslems are terrorist. In the 1860's many Christian churches believed it was God's will to not allow Blacks into their church. They quoted the bible to prove their point. Now 140 years later we can look back and see how shortsighted that was. The bible can be used to justify discrimination but does that really make it rightious and what God wants?

 

[Wrigley]

But to tell someone they are not going to heaven because they are jewish or Mormon is a stereotyped statement equated to saying all Moslems are terrorist.

I can't believe what I'm reading. Are you actually equating with pointing the errors of mormonism and where those errors lead to someone using the Bible to support their views on discrimination?
Is this what you are saying? Tell me I'm wrong.


I'll say it again, mormons worship a false god. Their god cannot save them.

But to tell someone they are not going to heaven because they are jewish or Mormon is a stereotyped statement equated to saying all Moslems are terrorist

Another point. Do you think that mormons and Christians worship the same God? Or do you feel there are many paths to God. So the way is not narrow, but in fact wide?

 

[greeneyedgirl]

How can they NOT worship the same God and the same can be said for Moslems for there religion tracesthe days from Adam and eve, to Jesus , and then to Mohammed. That makes it the same God whether or not they believe differently or not. Jesus is mentioned in the Koran. Now we can debate how the different religions view Jesus the son of God but we cannot make any argument the Father is a different God.

 

[Wrigley]

How can they NOT worship the same God and the same can be said for Moslems for there religion traces Mohammed from Adam and eve, to Jesus , and then to Mohammed. That makes it the same God whether or not they believe differently or not. Jesus is mentioned in the Koran. Now we can debate how the different religions view Jesus the son of God but we cannot make any argument the Father is a different God.

Oh my.

 

[rnmomof7]

Actually someone of another faith does expect to enter heaven and what you are really saying is that you don't think they are going to heaven based on your belief. But you missed the purpose of my post Because telling someone they are not going to heaven is equated with telling them they are going to hell which is hatefull and counter productive to love.

Actually it is the most loving thing we can do. It is a willingness to put truth over relationship. It is to look to the eternity of another rather than being "liked" at that moment.

Look at the New testament and see how often Jesus spoke of hell and hells fire .

Is it love to allow your child to play in the street? Is it love if a surgeon does not remove the cancer because the surgery might hurt?

There was once a great awaking in this country. One of the causes of it was a sermon by Jonathan Edwards called Sinners in the hands of an Angry God.

He preached a hard truth and people came to Christ because they realized that hell awaits those that have not repented and believed on Christ

Jesus tells us Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

No man can come to God outside the Christ of the Bible.

I encourage you to consider the words of Christ


Here is the sermon that caused a great religious revival

It is a long read but i ask that you read it.

http://www.ccel.org/e/edwards/sermons/sinners.html

 

[greeneyedgirl]

John 8 58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before

Abraham was, I am.

Genesis 16


Hagar and Ishmael

1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."
Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.
7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:

The roots of the Moslem faith is identical to the Jewish faith which is identical to the roots of the chistian faith.

 

[rnmomof7]

His family has several musuems in the area showing the history of his great grandfather or was it his great great grandfather.? His family is respected in the church and they would have loved for him to fall in love with a good Mormon Girl but he didn't My husband is questioning his belief system and he isn't Temple worthy. I would be violating the trust of my hubby to express the reasons but it isn't because of any reason that has been cited on this thread. We have been married a year and 16 days and he is fully supportive of my belief.

It sounds like he came from one of the original Polygamy marriages . Brigham Young had alot of wives as did many of the other leaders.

Green I will pray for your husband. It is not easy to question a lineage that were part of the early church.

I know several ex Mormons that left the church angry at god and they became atheists and only later became strong Christian believers.

The LDS is a false belief system it is not Christian and the works they do will not save them .


Very often God allows a wife, by her godly behavior to lead her husband to Christ. I will pray you find a church family that will feed you and disciple you and prepare you to be a wife that will lead her husband to salvation. (remember there is no such thing as the "perfect" church because the church is made up of sinners)

God Bless you GEG.

 

[Wrigley]

John 8 58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before

Abraham was, I am.

Genesis 16


Hagar and Ishmael

1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."
Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.
7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:

The roots of the Moslem faith is identical to the Jewish faith which is identical to the roots of the chistian faith.

 

[rnmomof7]

John 8 58
The roots of the Moslem faith is identical to the Jewish faith which is identical to the roots of the chistian faith.

The muslim faith was founded by a man not Christ.
The only commonality with Ishmael is that they have a common blood line. The Muslim religion was founded well after Christianity .

They actually worship the moon god which was a pagan deity .

As Christians we worship the God of Israel , that was the faith of our savior. He said " the father and I are one"

But all gods and all Jesus's are not the same .

In our family we have 3 Debras . One is my sister, one is a daughter in law and one may soon be a daughter in law.

We call them all Debbie..but they are completely different individuals.

In the same way the jesus of the Moslems is a prophet like Mohammed . He is not a savior nor is he God.

The jesus of the JW's is the arch angel Michael . Not God but Gods first born of creation.
The jesus of the Mormons is a spirit child of a father god that was born as a product of celestial sex with one of his wives (celestial polygamy )

Only the Jesus of Christians can save. He is God incarnate . Only God himself could pay the price for the sins of men . We (yea all of us that bicker on the Christian threads:>) all in one voice declare Jesus to be King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Fully God and fully man . A member of the trinity .

So when each of the above group say the name of Jesus they all have different people in their mind (like our debbies)

GEG only one of those Jesus's save. The other are false saviors that come from a different god than the God of the bible.

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Isa 45:21**
Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me.

Isa 45:22**
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

God has declared it there is only one God not the polytheistic god of the Mormons.

And that God is the God that saves

 

[calgal]

Nonsense? Tell the truth Alma. Jesus is just one of the gods of mormonism. He isn't the highest god.

"by grace after all we can do" is salvation by works. There are things that you as a mormon must do in order to reach the highest of your three heavens.

Also, don't forget the doctrine of blood atonement. As your prophets have taught, there are some sins that Jesus' sacrifice does not cover. The only way to pay for those is for the sinner to lose his life.

Precisely Wrigley! And there are sins the Mormon god doesn't forgive.

 

[calgal]

Oh Brother!

 

[rnmomof7]

What a bunch of nonsense. According to Mormonism Jesus is God (just look at the title page of the Book of Mormon where it says that the purpose of the Book of Mormon is to convince the world that Jesus is the ETERNAL GOD). And the idea that only the obedient will be saved doesn't mean that good works save anyone. Jesus is the author of salvation to them that obey him. (Hebrews 5:9) Even though we have to obey him, he is still the author of salvation.

Alma

That is a spin and you know it alma. He is "eternal" only as each of us are eternal according to Mormon doctrine. We were all free floating intelligences existing from all time without a creator. Then the Intelligences asked the god of this world to organize the world and give every man an opportunity to be a god.Then the were turned into the spirit children of the father god and the mother goddess. and later those spirits were sent here to inhabit human bodies as a body of flesh and bone is necessary to become a god .

So Jesus and all of us including lucifer were for all time according to your reckoning always existent . But not eternally existent as God .

In-fact even now he is not a god over a planet but is still physically present with the father .

Who is the mormon Jesus?


When the plan for our salvation was presented to us in the spirit world, we were so happy that we shouted for joy (see Job 38:7).

We understood that we would have to leave our heavenly home for a time. We would not live in the presence of our heavenly parents. While we were away from them, all of us would sin and some of us would lose our way. Our Heavenly Father knew and loved each one of us. He knew we would need help, so he planned a way to help us.

We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, "Whom shall I send?" (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, "Here am I, send me" (Abraham 3:27).

Jesus was willing to come to the earth, give his life for us, and take upon himself our sins. He, like our Heavenly Father, wanted us to choose whether we would obey Heavenly Father's commandments. He knew we must be free to choose in order to prove ourselves worthy of exaltation. Jesus said, "Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever" (Moses 4:2).

Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, "Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor" (Moses 4:1). Satan wanted to force us all to do his will. Under his plan, we would not be allowed to choose. He would take away the freedom of choice that our Father had given us. Satan wanted to have all the honor for our salvation.

Because our Heavenly Father chose Jesus Christ to be our Savior, Satan became angry and rebelled. There was war in heaven. Satan and his followers fought against Jesus and his followers.

In this great rebellion, Satan and all the spirits who followed him were sent away from the presence of God and cast down from heaven. One-third of the spirits in heaven were punished for following Satan: they were denied the right to receive mortal bodies.

Because we are here on earth and have mortal bodies, we know that we chose to follow Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father. Satan and his followers are also on the earth, but as spirits. They have not forgotten who we are, and they are around us daily, tempting us and enticing us to do things that are not pleasing to our Heavenly Father. In our premortal life, we chose the right. We must continue to choose the right here on earth. Only by following Jesus can we return to our heavenly home.

 

[ByGrace]

Isnt it a shame that so many people have followed the lies of joe smith and will end up perishing? Seems that the mormons on here should stop spending so much time debating this and get to the moon to preach the reformed gospel to them. Well you also need to start arranging quite a few marriages. You know, even though I am ex mo it still behooves me that mormons can just not seem to want to open the eyes. I guess that was prophesied though.

 

[Wrigley]

Isnt it a shame that so many people have followed the lies of joe smith and will end up perishing. Seems that the mormons on here should stop spending so much time debating this and get to the moon to preach the reformed gospel to them . Well you also need to start arranging quite a few marriages. You know, even though I am ex mo it still behooves me that mormons can just not seem to want to open the eyes. I guess that was prophesied though.

A-hem, as a Christian from the Reformed tradition, I need to correct this statement.

The mormons need to go to the moon to preach their restored gospel.

I'm sure that was just an oversight.

 

[ByGrace]

Oops! Wrigley you are right. Sorry about that. It is the Restored gospel. And we should all be thankful for that. LOL!

 

[jsfrk2]

rnmomof7, you are very well educated in religion and I agree with everything you have said.

I know alot about Mormonism because I am an EXMO, lol. And you hit the nail on the head along with wrigley, GBU all,your brother in Christ Jesus,jsrfk2