I'm an Atheist

[MOSSBERG32908]

NO DEBATING< NOT MY INTENTION!!! Ok so here the deal, I'm an atheist, I don't see logic or reason behind purely faith based religions. I really dont care about the whole god thing, but I deal that I have a need for after life, I get scared some times when I think about death, being atheist nothing would happen, I would just be gone and thats the end of that. But I will not let my self be scared into a religion, I will not let it happened, and i seek after life and thats it. It's for personal gain. I wont allow my self to believe in something because I want and not because I actually believe in it. The are two ways that I can believe in religion. 1) A god figure comes to me to show me the " right path " if you will. 2) I used to be a believe of physics, atheism deters that. Silva Brown was one that interests me. Now if I could talk to such a person and they can prove their self to me, I mean really really prove them self, then I can believe that they can tell me the right answer

 

[ephraimanesti]

NO DEBATING< NOT MY INTENTION!!! Ok so here the deal, I'm an atheist, I don't see logic or reason behind purely faith based religions. I really dont care about the whole god thing, but I deal that I have a need for after life, I get scared some times when I think about death, being atheist nothing would happen, I would just be gone and thats the end of that. But I will not let my self be scared into a religion, I will not let it happened, and i seek after life and thats it. It's for personal gain. I wont allow my self to believe in something because I want and not because I actually believe in it. The are two ways that I can believe in religion. 1) A god figure comes to me to show me the " right path " if you will. 2) I used to be a believe of physics, atheism deters that. Silva Brown was one that interests me. Now if I could talk to such a person and they can prove their self to me, I mean really really prove them self, then I can believe that they can tell me the right answer

MY FRIEND,

You have, unfortunately, put the cart before the horse. The "rules" are different in the Spiritual realm than in the material realm: In the material realm--SEEING IS BELIEVING; in the Spiritual realm--BELIEVING IS SEEING.

A relationship with God is based on Faith. Faith is, as the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews points out, "THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN." (Hebrews 11:1)

The purpose of Faith being the only key to the Spiritual realm is that Faith is the only modality by which man can apprehend God which does not violate man's God-given Freewill--God's second greatest gift to us.

Sorry if the above violates your "no debate" rule.

MANY BLESSINGS TO YOU,
ephraim

 

[TheGuide]

God is... whether you believe in Him or not. He doesn't go away because you don't believe. And yes, you should be scared about the afterlife, because you are a three-part being. You are a spirit, you have a soul and you live inside of a physical body. The physical body is not the significant you, yet it is what you are allowing to make all your "spiritual" decisions.

Leonardo Di Vinci spent most of his life not believing their was a God, but he didn't just not believe he performed research and sought out answers that would explain life. Before he died, this brilliant man said he had found nothing to subtantiate his belief and that there has to be a Superior Being.

Now I'm curious why you were drawn to this website. I'm sure there are atheist sites.

Sometimes, people have questions about Christianity or about something they've read or heard in the Holy Bible that causes them doubt. If that is the reason for your disbelief, then perhaps you can find answers on this site. If you ask them.


The Guide

 

[MOSSBERG32908]

well actually this site just came up on google and i figured ill give it a shot. and i cant accept that god just is, if it goes against some lame rule than too bad. Sometimes i get heated when the religion section comes up, I highly highly dought i will ever become a christian...again. I wont happen, I have found conselation somewhere else, Buddhism, Buddha's out look on life and death is right on the spot with me, i see that there is a religion for me. Buhhda was acked about a sort of god figure, he told people to make up their own mind about that subject, he let people believe and not believe what they wanted he told people that what he said may not be true and not to take everything he says as fact and truth. This seems like something i like. The Christian world has the bible shoved down their throat, they are told what to do. God seems kinda like a dictator to me, say that we have to do or can not do certain thing without questioning him, this is basically the definition of a tyrant. I'm sorry if I offended any body but I will not cover up what I feel to anyone.

 

[ephraimanesti]

Buddha's out look on life and death is right on the spot with me, i see that there is a religion for me.

MY FRIEND,

One main difference between Buddhism and Christianity, of course, is that although the Buddha was a great teacher and taught many things which were true, he was not the Son of God--Jesus Christ--who IS all TRUTH.

The second major difference is that Siddhartha Gautama is dead and turned to dust while Jesus, on the other hand, is alive and well and in control of the universe--you and i included.

Buddhism is indeed attractive in many ways at many levels--i spent many years as a Buddhist. Unfortunately, it is a dead end because all it can do is turn you back into your own mind--which is your major problem in the first place. Ultimately, Buddhism is a drug, not a religion.

You would perhaps do well to look within and investigate your choosing darkness over light. When you find the answer to that question, come on back and we'll talk. PEACE!

ephraim

 

[MOSSBERG32908]

jesus isn't living, hes dead, hes a 2000 year old preacher who was killed, thats that, and you talk about Buddhism as if it would destroy me, hmmm, how many war have been started by Buddhist...hmm, Theirs this one war im thinking of...oh yes it was called the crusades, or the 100years war, but wait that had nothing to do with Buddhist's silly me, that was the christians killing Muslims, oops. But wait they didn't only kills Islamic people, sometimes on the way to the middle east they would meet up with Jews, and you know what they would do, they would gather them all in the temple of their town that they established, then they would burn it to the ground with them inside. Well if manner of the people are any measure of the religion then Buddhism seems the better choice. almost No one can prove to me that god exist, you say that Buddha was not the son of god, how do you know jesus was. You think you are right, why? Because a ancient book told you so. Well the Muslims have a ancient book the tells them things, so your logic seems to fit with other religions, you can not tell me that you know you are right without other religions with the same sort of "truth" as you being right. So you see Buddhism as dark, and Christianity Light. Well as I said above I think not. Siddartha's look apon death has some what aleaved me, he was wise, and he was truthful. He was real, jesus pretended to be some one the he was not, can I prove it no, but I could go kill somebody and I could say that Zeus came down from the sky and struck the man down. If there were no witnesses or anything of the sort you could not prove me wrong, there no evidence against it, just like god, you can't prove soemthings not there, can you.

 

[MrFreshdew]

NO DEBATING< NOT MY INTENTION!!! Ok so here the deal, I'm an atheist, I don't see logic or reason behind purely faith based religions. I really dont care about the whole god thing, but I deal that I have a need for after life, I get scared some times when I think about death, being atheist nothing would happen, I would just be gone and thats the end of that. But I will not let my self be scared into a religion, I will not let it happened, and i seek after life and thats it. It's for personal gain. I wont allow my self to believe in something because I want and not because I actually believe in it. The are two ways that I can believe in religion. 1) A god figure comes to me to show me the " right path " if you will. 2) I used to be a believe of physics, atheism deters that. Silva Brown was one that interests me. Now if I could talk to such a person and they can prove their self to me, I mean really really prove them self, then I can believe that they can tell me the right answer

hope you find watt u r looking 4

 

[Sketcher]

This thread would be better served in the Questions By Non-Christians forum.

 

[ephraimanesti]

jesus isn't living, hes dead, hes a 2000 year old preacher who was killed, thats that, and you talk about Buddhism as if it would destroy me, hmmm, how many war have been started by Buddhist...hmm, Theirs this one war im thinking of...oh yes it was called the crusades, or the 100years war, but wait that had nothing to do with Buddhist's silly me, that was the christians killing Muslims, oops. But wait they didn't only kills Islamic people, sometimes on the way to the middle east they would meet up with Jews, and you know what they would do, they would gather them all in the temple of their town that they established, then they would burn it to the ground with them inside. Well if manner of the people are any measure of the religion then Buddhism seems the better choice. almost No one can prove to me that god exist, you say that Buddha was not the son of god, how do you know jesus was. You think you are right, why? Because a ancient book told you so. Well the Muslims have a ancient book the tells them things, so your logic seems to fit with other religions, you can not tell me that you know you are right without other religions with the same sort of "truth" as you being right. So you see Buddhism as dark, and Christianity Light. Well as I said above I think not. Siddartha's look apon death has some what aleaved me, he was wise, and he was truthful. He was real, jesus pretended to be some one the he was not, can I prove it no, but I could go kill somebody and I could say that Zeus came down from the sky and struck the man down. If there were no witnesses or anything of the sort you could not prove me wrong, there no evidence against it, just like god, you can't prove soemthings not there, can you.

And yet, my young friend, with all your bluster and disparaging remarks, you are still very much afraid of dying and you are still hanging out at a website where you know the TRUTH which can save you and relieve that fear can be found. In your heart, you are no more an atheist than i am!

Are you sure you are being honest with yourself and with us?

As far as Jesus is concerned--as the Apostles and millions of others over the last 2000 years--myself included--can testify:

HE IS RISEN!

INDEED HE IS RISEN.

Open your heart and mind and He is ready, willing, and well able to reveal Himself to you.

IN CHRIST'S LOVE,
ephraim

P.S. The Crusades had nothing to do with Christians. In order to qualify as a Christian, one must love his/her enemies as Christ did. Those who fail to keep Christ's Commandments and show forth His Image are, by definition, NOT Christians.

 

[ReformedChapin]

NO DEBATING< NOT MY INTENTION!!! Ok so here the deal, I'm an atheist, I don't see logic or reason behind purely faith based religions. I really dont care about the whole god thing, but I deal that I have a need for after life, I get scared some times when I think about death, being atheist nothing would happen, I would just be gone and thats the end of that. But I will not let my self be scared into a religion, I will not let it happened, and i seek after life and thats it. It's for personal gain. I wont allow my self to believe in something because I want and not because I actually believe in it. The are two ways that I can believe in religion. 1) A god figure comes to me to show me the " right path " if you will. 2) I used to be a believe of physics, atheism deters that. Silva Brown was one that interests me. Now if I could talk to such a person and they can prove their self to me, I mean really really prove them self, then I can believe that they can tell me the right answer

Considering every system requires some sort of faith, I wouldn't rush to conclusions. I also think this post belongs more in the apologetics forum rather than in the new christians area.

 

[jazzypooh]

And yet, my young friend, with all your bluster and disparaging remarks, you are still very much afraid of dying and you are still hanging out at a website where you know the TRUTH which can save you and relieve that fear can be found. In your heart, you are no more an atheist than i am!

Are you sure you are being honest with yourself and with us?

As far as Jesus is concerned--as the Apostles and millions of others over the last 2000 years--myself included--can testify:

HE IS RISEN!

INDEED HE IS RISEN.

Open your heart and mind and He is ready, willing, and well able to reveal Himself to you.

IN CHRIST'S LOVE,
ephraim

P.S. The Crusades had nothing to do with Christians. In order to qualify as a Christian, one must love his/her enemies as Christ did. Those who fail to keep Christ's Commandments and show forth His Image are, by definition, NOT Christians.

thats the same thing i was gonna say about the Crusades.

Be blessed!

 

[jazzypooh]

Considering every system requires some sort of faith, I wouldn't rush to conclusions. I also think this post belongs more in the apologetics forum rather than in the new christians area.

yes even atheism requires faith. it takes A WHOLE LOT OF faith to believe that something came from nothing... much more faith than it takes to believe that God created everything.

Blessings!

 

[OldChurchGuy]

jesus isn't living, hes dead, hes a 2000 year old preacher who was killed, thats that, and you talk about Buddhism as if it would destroy me, hmmm, how many war have been started by Buddhist...hmm, Theirs this one war im thinking of...oh yes it was called the crusades, or the 100years war, but wait that had nothing to do with Buddhist's silly me, that was the christians killing Muslims, oops. But wait they didn't only kills Islamic people, sometimes on the way to the middle east they would meet up with Jews, and you know what they would do, they would gather them all in the temple of their town that they established, then they would burn it to the ground with them inside. Well if manner of the people are any measure of the religion then Buddhism seems the better choice. almost No one can prove to me that god exist, you say that Buddha was not the son of god, how do you know jesus was. You think you are right, why? Because a ancient book told you so. Well the Muslims have a ancient book the tells them things, so your logic seems to fit with other religions, you can not tell me that you know you are right without other religions with the same sort of "truth" as you being right. So you see Buddhism as dark, and Christianity Light. Well as I said above I think not. Siddartha's look apon death has some what aleaved me, he was wise, and he was truthful. He was real, jesus pretended to be some one the he was not, can I prove it no, but I could go kill somebody and I could say that Zeus came down from the sky and struck the man down. If there were no witnesses or anything of the sort you could not prove me wrong, there no evidence against it, just like god, you can't prove soemthings not there, can you.

There is no denying that Christianity is made up of imperfect people. And, yes, people through the centuries have abused or ignored the message of love and grace that is (as I understand it anyway) the foundation of Christianity.

It seems to me that if you find Bhuddism to be a belief system which gives you an inner peace, then go for it.

I think you are correct that no one has yet come up with a prayer or chant that, when said or applied, will consistently yield the presence of God. But, faith is not a chemical equation.

If there is a time you want to explore Christianity and all of it's imperfect people, feel free to contact me in a private message as I don't normally come to this particular message board.

In the mean time, may you always have peace, joy, and love in your life.

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

 

[ephraimanesti]

There is no denying that Christianity is made up of imperfect people. And, yes, people through the centuries have abused or ignored the message of love and grace that is (as I understand it anyway) the foundation of Christianity.

It seems to me that if you find Bhuddism to be a belief system which gives you an inner peace, then go for it.

I think you are correct that no one has yet come up with a prayer or chant that, when said or applied, will consistently yield the presence of God. But, faith is not a chemical equation.

If there is a time you want to explore Christianity and all of it's imperfect people, feel free to contact me in a private message as I don't normally come to this particular message board.

In the mean time, may you always have peace, joy, and love in your life.

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

My prayer would be that our friend finds quickly the dead end which Buddhism offers and turns to the light. i wasted a lot of time playing mind games with myself before coming to the realization that Buddhism leads nowhere outside of the confines of one's own mind.

The Mind of God is much more interesting!

ephraim

 

[YoungJoonKim]

Bye
I hope you have fun living as worms and cows and chickens lol

I love eating animals
Yum yum, porks~ HmMMm Hamburger

You won't eat any of this right?
Less the more for me lol

Seriously..come on lol
And if you relive again as chicken
I will make sure I eat you
Have fun exploring your life

 

[Bamboo_Chicken]

Moved from For New Christians to Questions by Non-Christians .​

 

[MOSSBERG32908]

listen all your talk is just that, its pointless, you say he has risen because, like I said before, a really old book told you, take the bible as the king arthur story, people thought that arthur was real man but made him into more than he realy was, this is like jesus, they made a crazed preacher look like a god. and im not afraid of death, maybe you should read before you talk. the thing that I fear is nothingness after death. But, i think recently i have come to terms with that through something else. If a persons logic is any measure a person then you aren't to bright are you. And christians were a part of the crusades are you completely seniale, christian always say that that other religions are wrong, they took it a step further and killed the ones they hated most, the pope is the one who called the crusades, maybe you should read, it helps. An another thing it doesn't matter what a rotten book says what a christian is, the people make it what it is. And personally I am disgusted with the christian society. How many problems do have from atheists hmm

 

[Zocrates]

yes even atheism requires faith. it takes A WHOLE LOT OF faith to believe that something came from nothing... much more faith than it takes to believe that God created everything.

Blessings!

I don't know about the person in the OP, but I don't "have faith" that something came from nothing. I don't claim to know how the universe came about at all. I'm humble enough to know it's an answer we can't currently know, but we probably will know some day.

This is, case in point, why it's bad to assume that atheism is a belief. Atheism is the lack of a belief in god. Therefore, I don't know or claim to believe anything about how the world came to be. I think it makes more sense that the world existed without god than somehow a god existing without another god....but I don't believe anything for certain.

I don't personally believe anything though. I'm not going to make a judgement about something that the jury is still out on. We'll either find out the answer when we die (which you all have faith in) or a millenium or so from now when we find out more about how the universe came about. Either way, I won't be alive, so there's no sense coming to a consensus about the issue right now.

I'll concern myself with other pressing issues, like how they get so much cheese in those darn cheezits.

 

[Key]

....

Hello and Welcome to CF

Not sure where this started.. but, lets start again.. so tell me...

What is your problem..?

You have a fear of it all just going "poof".. end game.. all over, lights out, and now it's all gone...

So the idea of an Afterlife appeals to you.. which I can respect that, it appeals to many.

So, where is the problem..? Which Religion to follow?

Who has it right?

And it seems more to the point, you have an issue with being baited, or "feared" into believing something.. and I can respect that.

So lets start.. you and I.. lets take an easy talk, and see what comes of it.

Where would you like to start?

God Bless

Key

 

[Key]

I don't know about the person in the OP, but I don't "have faith" that something came from nothing. I don't claim to know how the universe came about at all. I'm humble enough to know it's an answer we can't currently know, but we probably will know some day.

that's a start, but, do you also come to realize that it is equally silly to make the claim "it just did, because I believe it just did with out a god" as to make the claim "a god made the universe".. both, are simply matters of faith.

In your case, if you say "Well, a god could have done it, or maybe it could have just poofed into being, I do not know" then you are being truthful to yourself. But to write off one as ridiculous, is a matter of faith, blind as it may be.

But as it stands, you have faith, in the sense that you believe with out any supporting evidence that it will some day be figured out, and that it will provide proof that god does not exist. That is blind, powerful faith. You believe this, and you cling to it. And you have nothing, nothing at all, to support it.

You put many Christains I know to shame, with this level of "faith"...

This is, case in point, why it's bad to assume that atheism is a belief. Atheism is the lack of a belief in god.

It is a belief that there is no God, as such, you take it on blind faith, with out one iota of evidence one direction or the other, that your stand "there is no god" is correct. IE: a Belief. A Belief based on blind faith of ones "feelings", none the less.

Therefore, I don't know or claim to believe anything about how the world came to be. I think it makes more sense that the world existed without god than somehow a god existing without another god....but I don't believe anything for certain.

Why is that? Why does physical matter not need an originator, but, a spiritual being, would need an originator?

I don't personally believe anything though.

I am confused, didn't you just state above, a few of your own personal beliefs? Could you clear this up for me, how that works out?

I am out of time right now.. so this will have to end it..

God Bless

Key