Illegal Aliens allowed to be cops ?

[Pommer]

If they were reasonable, they would be in the center, and not left-biased.

There are overlapping issues in the political zeitgeist, we’re more liberal on some issues, and we’re more conservative in others. And it’s always been this way, as our collective society struggles its merry path through history.
Who wants to live in times that are going to be the Big, Important Things-to-remember-about “how we got to where we are”, when they carve them on the slabs?

 

[Nithavela]

Illinois Gov. Signs Law Allowing Illegal Immigrants To Be Police

Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has signed more than 130 bills into law including one that would allow foreigners with work permits, some of whom are illegal aliens, to become police officers in the state.

www.oann.com

oan lol

 

[USincognito]

NBC skews a bit left, but AP is what I would consider to be centrist...not sure why they'd be claiming that the AP is a leftist organization (unless they see "leftist" as "anything left of center-right")

It's a common error on the part of many on the right to incorrectly refer to anything left of center as "leftist".

 

[USincognito]

Apparently also in the minds of those who study such things.

NBC News Digital Media Bias Rating

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of NBC News Digital. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers.

www.allsides.com

Associated Press Media Bias Rating

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of Associated Press. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers.

www.allsides.com

What a fascinating response. I don't see anything in either of those ratings indicating that NBC or the AP are "leftist" organizations. Do you even know the word leftist means?

Any other questions?

Maybe, instead of being so smug, you should have consulted a dictionary.

Leftist definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Leftist definition: Socialists and Communists are sometimes referred to as leftists . | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples

www.collinsdictionary.com

2. ADJECTIVE [ADJECTIVE noun]
If you describe someone, their ideals, or their activities as leftist, you mean that they support the ideas of socialism or communism.

So my question is, on what planet are for profit news agencies communist organizations?

 

[durangodawood]

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There are people on the left.....
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Of course there are. As always.

My point is about about madness thats getting mainstreamed and is genuinely destructive

Defund the police? Come on. That was a flash in the pan. The center left considered it for a minute and then thought better.

No nukes? Youre too young to be stuck in the 80's. The center has come around quite a lot in the last decade or so. Why? because of reality based considerations. (Will they be nimby about it? Of course, Just like people on the right will be. If theres one thing that can unite left and right, its nimby.)

Trans athletes? We're going to get through that and everyone will be just fine once the dust settles.

Now I made a point of highlighting some really destructive directions the mainstream right is headed right now. Most of them, I think, spiral out from their truly disturbing divorce from actual reality. You seem too smart to be bringing us tales of far left climate protesters gluing their hands to stuff while the center right including actual leaders in congress cant even get their heads free of Tucker Carlson epistemology. Get some perspective man!

 

[IceJad]

Pritzker signs more than 130 bills, including allowing non-citizens to be police

(The Center Square) – More than 130 bills were signed by Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker Friday.

www.thecentersquare.com

"Just In: Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has signed a law that will allow illegal immigrants to become police officers and sheriffs deputies. In Illinois American citizens will be arrested by illegals.

Once this takes effect, people who are actively breaking federal law will be arresting Americans if they break they law. This madness from the democrat party is absolutely out of control."

Is anyone actually ok with this?

I believe that law is non-citizen are allowed to be police however there must be a proper working visa. So illegals are not allowed.

That being said I still think it is a risk to security. In the event of conflict between the nations, where will their loyalty be? Job or nation? And if that nation requested them to fulfill their national duty to sabotage the host nation what can you do?

Even naturalized citizen poses a potential risk what more a non-citizen. While the case is dropped, you can see the level of breach they can do.

US drops case against NYC cop accused of spying for China

Charges against a New York City police officer accused of spying on behalf of China have been formally dropped after U.S. prosecutors said they uncovered new information that warranted the dismissal.

apnews.com

 

[Arcangl86]

I believe that law is non-citizen are allowed to be police however there must be a proper working visa. So illegals are not allowed.

That being said I still think it is a risk to security. In the event of conflict between the nations, where will their loyalty be? Job or nation? And if that nation requested them to fulfill their national duty to sabotage the host nation what can you do?

The combination of factors pretty much requires that the only people eligible for this would be permanent residents or people on immigration visas. Those are people who have chosen to make the US their home. Incidentally, the military has the same requirements. If it's not a national security issue there, I doubt the local sheriff's deputy would be one.

Even naturalized citizen poses a potential risk what more a non-citizen. While the case is dropped, you can see the level of breach they can do.

US drops case against NYC cop accused of spying for China

Charges against a New York City police officer accused of spying on behalf of China have been formally dropped after U.S. prosecutors said they uncovered new information that warranted the dismissal.

apnews.com

Examples like Kim Philby, the Rosenbergs, Robert Hansenn, Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn would argue against that. All incredibly damaging foreign agents, and all native born citizens of the countries they spied on. In fact I would argue that naturalized citizens are less likely to turn traitor because they voluntarily chose to become part of a certain country rather then an accident of birth.

 

[IceJad]

Examples like Kim Philby, the Rosenbergs, Robert Hansenn, Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn would argue against that. All incredibly damaging foreign agents, and all native born citizens of the countries they spied on. In fact I would argue that naturalized citizens are less likely to turn traitor because they voluntarily chose to become part of a certain country rather then an accident of birth.

Depends on what their initial intentions are when naturalizing. Some come because they love the nation, some come because they love their home nation and intended to become a mole. You can't just say they are less likely. In the field of national security caution should override compassion.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the event you're wrong because of a single compassion the consequences are deadly. Like my country you must be a citizen before you're allowed to even apply for a law enforcement position.

 

[BPPLEE]

Really?





The decades predicted police shortage issue.....first time I've heard of it.

Vallas: Chicago Police overtime cost $126M, plus cost of burn-out

One way to “defund the police” is by not hiring officers – a strategy supported by many in Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s camp. The problem is, failing to hire more officers is backfiring. It leads to higher costs, some of which are very hard to count but easy to see.

www.illinoispolicy.org

Ironically, it's costing more money to have less police, and they're less effective because they're overworked. It doesn't help that these woke DAs like Foxx, Bragg, Gaston, and others seem more interested in helping criminals than in helping victims.

What's the decades old police shortage issue?

Illinois Gov. Pritzker allows non-US citizens to become police officers with new law: 'Fundamentally bad idea'

Illinois's Democrat Governor Pritzker will now allow non-U.S. citizens to join law enforcement in Illinois despite heavy opposition from Republican lawmakers and police groups.

www.foxnews.com

 

[KCfromNC]

That being said I still think it is a risk to security. In the event of conflict between the nations, where will their loyalty be?

This is the same argument used to put Japanese Americans in interment camps during WW2.

 

[Pommer]

This is the same argument used to put Japanese Americans in interment camps during WW2.

Fun fact: the Marx Brothers were billed as a German act on the vaudeville circuit, until WWI when they suddenly became a “Yiddish” comedy troupe.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I believe that law is non-citizen are allowed to be police however there must be a proper working visa. So illegals are not allowed.

That being said I still think it is a risk to security. In the event of conflict between the nations, where will their loyalty be? Job or nation? And if that nation requested them to fulfill their national duty to sabotage the host nation what can you do?

Even naturalized citizen poses a potential risk what more a non-citizen. While the case is dropped, you can see the level of breach they can do.

US drops case against NYC cop accused of spying for China

Charges against a New York City police officer accused of spying on behalf of China have been formally dropped after U.S. prosecutors said they uncovered new information that warranted the dismissal.

apnews.com

In the event of a conflict between nations, they won’t be calling municipal police to solve it. And since all of those demographics can serve in the military, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to serve local law enforcement. My 100% German grandfather was able to serve in the US military during WWII despite being a German citizen who was in the country under a sponsorship and as a refugee (his family was caught hiding people from the Nazis), so…

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Now I made a point of highlighting some really destructive directions the mainstream right is headed right now. Most of them, I think, spiral out from their truly disturbing divorce from actual reality. You seem too smart to be bringing us tales of far left climate protesters gluing their hands to stuff while the center right including actual leaders in congress cant even get their heads free of Tucker Carlson epistemology. Get some perspective man!

The climate protestors gluing themselves aren't the counterpart to people spreading the election lie, they're more like the left wing equivalent of the people who were tea party types when that was a thing.

The kind of political violence you were describing from the right's proper counterpart would be the actions that some of the 2020 protests devolved into. Or perhaps incidents like Chaz/Chop.

No nukes? Youre too young to be stuck in the 80's. The center has come around quite a lot in the last decade or so. Why? because of reality based considerations. (Will they be nimby about it? Of course, Just like people on the right will be. If theres one thing that can unite left and right, its nimby.)

Americans Divided on Nuclear Energy

Americans remain evenly divided on nuclear energy, as they were in 2019, but this follows a period from 2004 to 2015 when majorities backed it. Support throughout has varied sharply by party.

news.gallup.com

Only 39% of democrats support nuclear energy at the moment.

And actually, it's been within the last few years or so that many progressive Euro countries have actually been shutting down reactors as part of a nuclear power phase-out plan.

As of 2016, countries including Australia, Austria, Denmark, Ireland, Italy, Estonia, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Malta, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal and Serbia have no nuclear power stations and remain opposed to nuclear power.[9][10] Germany, Spain and Switzerland plan nuclear phase-outs by 2030.

 

[Aldebaran]

Reasonable would be reality-centered.

But from time to time the left or the right - or sometimes both - depart from reality. We're in a time now when the right has made the biggest swerve toward fantasy.

Having law enforcement done by those who aren't law-breakers by being in the country is quite a fantasy that used to be reality.

 

[Aldebaran]

What a fascinating response. I don't see anything in either of those ratings indicating that NBC or the AP are "leftist" organizations. Do you even know the word leftist means?

Maybe, instead of being so smug, you should have consulted a dictionary.

Leftist definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Leftist definition: Socialists and Communists are sometimes referred to as leftists . | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples

www.collinsdictionary.com

2. ADJECTIVE [ADJECTIVE noun]
If you describe someone, their ideals, or their activities as leftist, you mean that they support the ideas of socialism or communism.

So my question is, on what planet are for profit news agencies communist organizations?

Whichever planets (or countries) adopt socialism and communism. Currently, that would involve large portions of the United States, including many segments within its society; larger cities being prime examples.

 

[durangodawood]

Having law enforcement done by those who aren't law-breakers by being in the country is quite a fantasy that used to be reality.

Is it?

Who is proposing undocumented people should be cops? Youre giving us an object lesson in the point I was making. See below:

Per the bill:

…an individual who is not a citizen but is legally authorized to work in the United States under federal law is authorized to apply for the position of police officer, subject to all requirements and limitations, other than citizenship, to which other applicants are subject.

 

[Bradskii]

Whichever planets (or countries) adopt socialism and communism. Currently, that would involve large portions of the United States, including many segments within its society; larger cities being prime examples.

Which cities are promoting the social ownership of the means of production?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Illinois Gov. Pritzker allows non-US citizens to become police officers with new law: 'Fundamentally bad idea'

Illinois's Democrat Governor Pritzker will now allow non-U.S. citizens to join law enforcement in Illinois despite heavy opposition from Republican lawmakers and police groups.

www.foxnews.com

Called it...

The bill comes as Illinois grapples with statewide police shortages amid recruitment and retention challenges. In March 2022, Chicago Police Department staffing numbers reached the lowest in recent history, causing the department to loosen its recruitment requirements by waiving the minimum 60 college credits for certain candidates and offering online testing opportunities.
This is what happens when you destroy police departments.
1. They aren't handing out work visas to be police if it's against federal law for foreign nationals to be police.
2. This will only apply to legal permanent residents. It's not a super common status and frankly, I doubt anyone who has been here long enough to be a permanent resident is going to be dumb enough to apply to be a cop. If they do...I think residents should worry more about the police showing up than arresting anyone.

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[IceJad]

In the event of a conflict between nations, they won’t be calling municipal police to solve it. And since all of those demographics can serve in the military, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to serve local law enforcement. My 100% German grandfather was able to serve in the US military during WWII despite being a German citizen who was in the country under a sponsorship and as a refugee (his family was caught hiding people from the Nazis), so…

Yes municipal police will not solve conflicts between nations but as a citizen of another nation they have a national duty to assist their home nation in the event of a conflict. They may not need to fight in the front lines but they can do other things like espionage, fermenting local dissent or recruiting spies. And given that they are allowed to work in the police, will grant them higher access to information not available to the general public.

Security is a game of risk whether you like it or not. If you are will to risk it then risk it. I personally think it is an unjustifiable risk to take. A risk simply means the possibility of danger. It might happen or it might not happen. But when it happens you just need to face the consequences.

BTW your grandfather was given an exception because of exceptional circumstances. Nations take higher risks during crisis like how Ukraine now allows foreign fighters to fight on their behalf. Under normal conditions Ukraine wouldn't allow an other nationalities roaming their borders acting like enforcement.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I believe that law is non-citizen are allowed to be police however there must be a proper working visa.

If you're not aware of how working visas are handed out....they're handed out according to the work you've applied to do. It's not just a visa that's for any job any time...

If federal law prevents non-citizens from being police or law enforcement, then there won't be any "police visas" created.