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Featured If you take the Mark of the Beast, are you destined for hell?

Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by Lybrah, Jul 29, 2017.

  1. Lybrah

    Lybrah Active Member

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    Say you didn't think the micro chip was the mark but later realize it is. You got it. Would God forgive you for making a mistake? What if you cut it out? What if you were desperately sorry and renounce the beast? Is it too late then?
     
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  2. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    I think anyone who takes part in this discussion or reads this thread no longer can make a decision other than not to
     
  3. 2PhiloVoid

    2PhiloVoid Fire for the Earth! (Luke 12:49) Supporter

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    No, I think you'd be okay in the long run if you "cut out" what many think will be the Mark of the Beast. But in saying this, I'm going to contend that our understanding of what constitutes the supposed Mark should be shaped by various contexts that are embedded within the book of Revelation. We can't just read a verse and say, "Hey, this verse (or two) indicates to me what looks like the acceptance of a micro-chip."

    I think that even if the Mark of the Beast does turn out to be a micro-chip (and I'm not saying that it will), there will still be overlying spiritual and social contexts in the Bible which tell us that taking the Mark is "more" than simply passively accepting into our bodies some little bit of technology.
     
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  4. Dave Watchman

    Dave Watchman Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't make a mistake.

    It would hurt, I'm a chicken.

    They won't be sorry, the people who take the mark. Even when 100 pound hail stones are falling, they'll curse the God of Heaven. They still won't be sorry.

    Yes, it's too late.

    “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
    But the micro chip is not the mark. The word used for "mark" also means engraving or etching, it's an external and visible mark.

    And only the people who's names have NOT been written in the book of life will worship the beast and take the mark.

    "and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

    "so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

    The people who take the mark are going to want to take the mark. They will be motivated enough to wait in line all night for it. Because they'll be able to buy and sell. And look up there what happens to the people who would NOT worship the beast.

    Worship, "proskuneo", can also mean to "submit to" or "obey". The mark of the beast is going to come after fire falls out of the sky, nobody is going to miss that day. Nobody is going to take the mark by mistake.
     
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  5. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    I'm not sure it's an external visible mark
     
  6. Dave Watchman

    Dave Watchman Well-Known Member

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    That's OK. I am sure. I'm sure that it's not a micro chip that could be slipped in on us by mistake.

    "to receive a "mark" in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    5480. charagma

    charagma: a stamp, impress
    Original Word: χάραγμα, ατος, τό

    Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ag-mah)
    Short Definition: sculpture, a stamp, sign
    Definition: sculpture; engraving, a stamp, sign.
    HELPS Word-studies

    5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties.

    5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron). 5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner's unique "brand-mark").

    [Ancient documents were validated by such stamps or seals (see Plutarch, Agesilaus, 15:6; De Lysandro 16:2, ala DNTT, 2, 574).]​


    It will certainly be an external and visible mark, but also will signify the behavior of following after the beast.

    I have another theory that this all is going to be caused by some type of very destructive catalyst that comes like a snare on all the inhabitants of the earth. After the first four trumpets fall, I don't think our normal infrastructure will be reliable like it is now. Electricity, internet communications and the lack of ability to travel freely as we do now would prevent the success of a micro chip based mark of the beast scenario. Think about the challenge micro chip teams would face trying to reach the most remote rural areas during the worst emergency such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
     
  7. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Yes

    That's what I thought
    The poor will be blessed in the end because of this
     
  8. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    And yes, it's the behavior (the inner spirit) of the man in the end during this troublesome times that will be visibly made manifest
     
  9. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    which is also why Ezekiel 9 will note it and mark some who will come to their senses and understand

    Whether before or after, I don't know

    But if some are appalled what are they seeing that makes them appalled?
     
  10. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    I don't want to talk about this

    It makes me sick
     
  11. Dave Watchman

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    Nope, it's not that the poor will be blessed.

    It's that a micro chip based mark of the beast will be unfeasible, a no go, after the communication satellites and electricity are knocked out by the fire and hail of the first trumpet falling from the sky.
     
  12. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    And you're saying then that a visible mark is effective?

    It's not
    In which case it is an inner marking which GOD sees

    That of the person's spirit

    And yes, the poorest of the poor who are poor yet self sufficient and forgotten by the world, are not forgotten
     
  13. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Truth will be cast down
    And brother will betray brother but he who endures to the end, the same shall be saved
     
  14. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    In this time of trouble, though "the church" may not be there, home churches are going to pop up again

    And no one had better close the door on anyone
     
  15. Dave Watchman

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    I agree, God sees our inner markings.

    But the people that let us buy rations or decide whether or not to kill us during the tribulation, are going to have to SEE an external and very visible mark.

    With electricity unreliable or non existent, the batteries in a micro chip scanner can only last for so long.
     
  16. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    I see

    The authorities involved will have to see the visible evidence of that mark regardless if it has malfunctioned or not

    Correct?
     
  17. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    What if....

    Do you know we are speculating?

    And I can't say anything regarding the mark from my own opinion if it isn't somehow supported by scripture so I can't say it here
     
  18. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Are you a believer in CHRIST JESUS?
     
  19. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    What is your thought again on those who take the mark in ignorance to THE GOSPEL?
    Okay, I reread your post

    They are lost
     
  20. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    imho,
    The mark of an anti-Christ is not a physical mark. It is what is believed in the mind and in the heart. John tells us that an anti-Christ does not believe that the Son of God came in the flesh, therefore the Gospel of Christ from birth to resurrection is a lie to them.

    We can go back to the OT to see how scripture can be misinterpreted when too literal an interpretation is applied. This is one of the scriptures where hand and forehead was eventually misapplied.
    Exo 13:8 `And thou hast declared to thy son in that day, saying, ` It is because of what Yehovah did to me, in my going out from Egypt,
    Exo 13:9 and it hath been to thee for a sign on thy hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, so that the law of Yehovah is in thy mouth, for by a strong hand hath Yehovah brought thee out from Egypt;


    Many centuries after God spoke these words to the Israelites the Pharisees, with their Oral Law, said that this meant literally on the head and hand/arm. So they began wearing Tefillin/phylacteries.
    How can I make this argument, what evidence do I have.
    I cannot find any time in the OT scripture where God told the Israelites to build/make anything for worship and prayer purposes without giving them specific instructions of dimensions and materials to use. The Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle, the priestly garments, the Temple are all examples. He never gave any such instructions for Tefillin. The Karaite Jews makes this same argument.

    I see the scriptures in Revelation are much the same. God's mark on His people, one their hearts and minds. Faithful to their God and His laws.
    Those who are marked as the anti-Christ's are anti-Christ in their heart and minds.
    To try to assign this to some kind of physical mark or object is doing the same thing the Pharisees did with the phylacteries.
     
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