If you commit suicide do you go to heaven?

[Utah Knight]

i do not feel that those who commit sucide are going to go into heaven kiling is killing weather you kill yourself or others

 

[wild01]

hmm if no murderer has eternal life I wonder what happened to Paul

 

[Redneck Crow]

hmm if no murderer has eternal life I wonder what happened to Paul

Indeed.

It all boils down to whether one is saved by one's own works or by the Grace of God.

Anyone who is saved and thinks that He is now able to be saved from that point on by his own righteousness is sadly deceived. Our flesh still continues to sin in various ways and to various degrees because that is our nature.

Christ did not save any people who just made a few whoopsies before they came to Him. He saved human beings who continue to be imperfect in and of their own acts after they come to Him. Despite our best efforts, our human acts will continue to fall short of God even after we are saved.

It is the righteousness of Christ who saves us, His, not ours. That is the only perfection, the only righteousness, that any of us can ever have. His, through His gift of Grace.

If God does not rescue a Christian who falls short of His perfection by taking his own life, He doesn't rescue any of us, because none of us fail to fall short by our own acts after we are saved.

 

[epyon]

This will be close to what I posted on same subject. I'm sorry for your loss and my prayer goes to you. But I'm sorry to say this but your friend is in hell. Thou shalt not kill is one of the laws God has given to us. Suicide those not give you the time to ask forgiviness for taken a life that also mean your own. Just because your are save those not give a free pass into heaven. But I pray that I'm wrong but somthing tells me that I'm not.

 

[Redneck Crow]

Hmmm....in that case a guy who skipped church and got struck by lightening while playing a golf game would be headed there too if he hadn't yet asked for forgiveness for not honoring the Sabbath. As would someone who took the Lord's name in vain when he saw another man pointing a gun at him and shooting him and died before he could ask forgiveness. Or someone who was daydreaming about his neighbors wife, walked against traffic, and never saw the truck that hit him and consequently didn't ask for forgiveness.

Scary. All three break the commandments God gave to Moses. I wonder how many people think these hypothetical folks would be going to hell as well?

 

[Mister_Al]

A person goes to Heaven because of who they are, not because of what they do.

In the same context you can say that a person goes to hell because of who they are and not because of what they do.

If your friend was a Christian then your friend is in Heaven because of who he was. Romans 8:1 says that anyone that belongs to Christ will not be condemned (judged).

Alan

 

[epyon]

Just so I know, you are then calling God a murderer? Or is there perhaps a difference between killing and murder? As in intentions?

Let break down this question. Is God a murder? God those not answer to the laws of man and does not need a reason for things he does. The second part of the question is there difference between killing and murder? In my opinion the take of life is straight forward. Only those who try to come up with excuse or try to change the meaning of God law of taken a life. Is tha what you are trying to do.

 

[brandonburgaminy]

[BIBLE]8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[/BIBLE]

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[ReformedChapin]

The reason why this subject is so contraversial is because why who genuienly someone has Christ in their heart take their own life away? Every step we do is for Christ, I guess their could be a circumstance when we are out of the spirit and commit such a sin.

 

[christismyrock]

Indeed.

Itworks or by the Grace of God.

Anyone who is saved and thinks that He is now able to be saved from that point on by his own righteousness is sadly deceived. Our flesh still continues to sin in various ways and to various degrees because that is our nature.

Christ did not save any people who just made a few whoopsies before they came to Him. He saved human beings who continue to be imperfect in and of their own acts after they come to Him. Despite our best efforts, our human acts will continue to fall short of God even after we are saved.

It is the righteousness of Christ who saves us, His, not ours. That is the only perfection, the only righteousness, that any of us can ever have. His, through His gift of Grace.

If God does not rescue a Christian who falls short of His perfection by taking his own life, He doesn't rescue any of us, because none of us fail to fall short by our own acts after we are saved.

I believe this is a sin, but Christ gave his life for this sin too. If the person has truely received Christ as their Saviour, then I believe they are covered by Christ righteousness.

 

[Svt4Him]

Let break down this question. Is God a murder? God those not answer to the laws of man and does not need a reason for things he does. The second part of the question is there difference between killing and murder? In my opinion the take of life is straight forward. Only those who try to come up with excuse or try to change the meaning of God law of taken a life. Is tha what you are trying to do.

So I understand, you are saying God does not answer to God's laws or the laws of man? I used God's law, so I don't know why the difference. Perhaps we need to start there. Does God answer to His own laws? ie. is it ok for God to lie? I'd say that if God has said He doesn't sin, and sin is transgression of the law, then yes, God does answer to His own Law.

So the second part. All killing is murder? If that is so, when God told His people to kill, was God telling them to murder and transgress the law? So then are you saying God commanded people to sin?

 

[TheReasoner]

I have been asking friends and family this question and also trying to do some research on it and get mixed answers.

I ask this because a friend of Mine whom I was very close with in high school committed suicide on Easter Sunday.. If you know of any answers to this please let me know and thanks!

I have no answers. I would like to say "yes". But I believe it may very well - on occasion - be "no".

Then again... I, myself have attempted suicide on numerous occations some years ago, thank God I failed though.

Suicide is a sin. No doubt about it. But, at the same time suicide is usually the end result of a lethal disease; Depression. Do you automatically go to hell if you die from cancer? No. How about AIDS?

What of course raises the question here is the fact that taking a life is a sin, and once you commit this sin, there is no chance to ask for forgiveness while you are still alive.
But this leads us to the question; Must one ask forgiveness to be saved? If so, who can be saved? For do we not all commit sins we are unaware of?

It is a touchy topic, but I am inclined to believe that God shows mercy to victims of depression as He does to victims of any disease.


HOWEVER.....
I would STRONGLY advice any and all who consider suicide to keep on fighting. For there IS a life worth living on the other side! Fight! There is SUCH a prize on the other end of the valley of shadow of death you are in now you have no idea. Live! Life will turn better if you just fight! Seek help! Cling to God and fight! You can survive, and when you are through it you will see life a whole new way. In fact, a better and deeper way than most who have never had depression before. Keep on fighting!

 

[emem56]

for me i think suicide is murder. because it is almost like someone is taking ones life when it is not their's in the frist place. their body is God's temple. i know that in a lot situations people don't think about it, because i use to be suicidal, but i think instead that person should think about how God loves us so much that it hurts him to see us destroy something so beautiful and that was a gift from him.

 

[Redneck Crow]

for me i think suicide is murder. because it is almost like someone is taking ones life when it is not their's in the frist place. their body is God's temple. i know that in a lot situations people don't think about it, because i use to be suicidal, but i think instead that person should think about how God loves us so much that it hurts him to see us destroy something so beautiful and that was a gift from him.

No one is disagreeing that suicide is a terrible thing, or implying that God doesn't care if we waste the incredible gift of life that He has given us.

But God has told us that murder is not an unforgivable by Christ stated that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin.

Do we believe that Christ will not forgive the person who dies because they didn't take their medicine? Or the person who died because they ate too much? Or the person who died because they drove recklessly? Or who died because they contacted AIDS shooting up? Or the sky diver or bungee jumper, or a person who is insane enought to eat at Taco Bell?

Does Christ's grace only work for perfect people? If that is the case, He died in vain, because we wouldn't need Him, we could be righteous all by our lonesome.

Our works don't save us. They are of our flesh. Our works don't damn us. They are of our flesh. Obeying the 10 Commandments or the rest of the Law doesn't save us--the Law is a tutor to show people that we need Him because we cannot be rightous enough to "earn" restoration. It is our separation from Him that damns us before we are saved. There is no life apart from Him; we are dead in all but our flesh when we are cut off from him--commonly referred to as the fallen state.

Christ died so that we can be reconciled, so that His righteousness He gives us though grace can redeem us and restore us to the state in which He created us, in which man existed in prior to the fall. In Genesis, we see man in direct relationship with God prior to the fall, with God sustaining him.

"Doing a bad thing" didn't break man's relationship with God. Adam, whether you believe him to be historical or allegorical, rejecting God's sovereignty severed mankind's relationship with Him.

Satan, knowing full well that God was sovereign, rejected Him and the Pharisees, standing in the presence of God in the flesh and knowing He was the Messiah, rejected Him. That is what blaspheming the Holy Spirit is, knowing God for who He is without doubt, and still rejecting one's relationship with Him.

A Christian who murders, a Christian who kills himself has committed a terrible act in his flesh. That is not the same thing as the one unforgivable sin--by blaspheming the Holy Spirit one cuts himself off from the eternal life which proceeds from the giver of all life. It is not an act of one's mortal flesh.

Jesus Christ restores those who have faith in Him and take Him as their Savior. He restores murderers, women who abort their babies, prostitutes, drug addicts, drunks, rapists, racists, theives occupying an adjacent cross, and even one Saul of Tarsus who persecuted and brought about the death of His own early Christians.

That is a glimpse into His mercy and glory. No matter how horrible we are in our flesh He still loved us enough to pay the terrible price that restores us and saves our souls if we will be His. I'm sure suicide is offensive to God--the best of our earthly acts are like filthy rags to Him, and if you know anything about the Jewish culture in which that information was given, you recognize how gross the simile is that He used to make His point.

God doesn't save us because we're pleasing, obedient, deserving, or nice--we aren't. He saves us because we are His. Suicide is an act of the flesh, and acts of the flesh are not the basis for salvation.

 

[messengerfrumabove]

ive always been taught that your body is not yours and that your bodyis God's temple and he decides when your supposed to die! now ive also heard if the person may be well let's say crazy then he may have mercy on them becauzz it's really not there fault! so im pretty sure she went to hell! soooorrryy! unless she was crazy which i doubt! and pleese dont think im being disrespectful or anything! i have nuthing but toal and complete respecty for you! and im truly sorry for your loss!

messenger

 

[mildlydeluded]

I agree. He does prick one's conscience, and Paul complained of having a thorn in the flesh which was given him by the Lord to keep him humble because of all his dream and visions.

Something interesting. If you read about King Saul....you will discover he committed suicide by falling on his sword. (True Shakespearian stuff...) If you read further on in the next book, it describes that God actually killed him. Now if a person and we don't know peoples private stuff, is into stuff that is destructive there are some incidents spoken about where a person is handed over to satan for the destruction of their bodies that their souls might be saved. So definitely no way does a believer who goes out like that end up be seperated from the everlasting covenant of God, God would have to break and oath that He made with Himself. Hence if you lose a friend who is a believer, through such a terrible way, rest assured they are safe in the Saviour's loving arms.

Peace.

 

[pdfiddler]

Wild01- Paul repented and was born again.

Suicide is self murder.This act is even against the the laws of the land and we are told to obey the laws of the land.

This act, IMO, nullifies the provision of the cross of CHRIST. It's a little difficult to pick up your cross and follow Him, if you have just murdered yourself. The human adamic nature will sometimes go to great lengths to avoid the cross(even death). The enemy would like nothing better than for you to take yourself out. "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends"(who is your friend?). also "He who has lost his life for My sake, shall find it." and "Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father,so we too might walk in newness of life." I could go on and on..... There is loads of this in the NT,confronting this issue of the cross and our adamic nature and there is only one way to get rid of it.(THE CROSS)

I am sorry for your friend,but I post this for all who may read this, who are contemplating this way of escape (especially you young folks). DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!

IT IS A LIE!

 

[ProfessorJ]

Im not sure if this has been mentioned yet but here it is. This is just my interpretation, and in the end God is the only true Judge. Personally, I believe suicide is very drastic because nothing on this earth lasts forever- the pain will go away soon enough. I believe suicide leads to Hell for certain reasons: Murder is a sin, correct? Suicide is very simialr to murder(the taking of a life, just your own instead of someone else's). Murder is forgiveable, but you have to ask for forgiveness( repent: concious decision). With suicide, you can't ask for forgiveness: you arnt alive to ask. But with some forms, you may be alive long enough to ask for forgiveness, so they still may get to Heaven, especially if tehy were a true believer. Most find it hard to believe a faithful Christian could commit or even attempt suicide, but I know life has very lows and I've had a portion of my share. So have many of my friends, and even my church's minister.
His, J

 

[holo]

This act, IMO, nullifies the provision of the cross of CHRIST.

Nothing nullifies the provision of the cross of Christ.

 

[rosiecotton]

Im not sure if this has been mentioned yet but here it is. This is just my interpretation, and in the end God is the only true Judge. Personally, I believe suicide is very drastic because nothing on this earth lasts forever- the pain will go away soon enough. I believe suicide leads to Hell for certain reasons: Murder is a sin, correct? Suicide is very simialr to murder(the taking of a life, just your own instead of someone else's). Murder is forgiveable, but you have to ask for forgiveness( repent: concious decision). With suicide, you can't ask for forgiveness: you arnt alive to ask. But with some forms, you may be alive long enough to ask for forgiveness, so they still may get to Heaven, especially if tehy were a true believer. Most find it hard to believe a faithful Christian could commit or even attempt suicide, but I know life has very lows and I've had a portion of my share. So have many of my friends, and even my church's minister.
His, J

So, let's say you commit a 'little' sin. Such as, lying to someone about something (maybe it's 'just' a little white lie). However, sin is sin.
So, you lie to someone, then on your way home, you are killed in a car wreck. Since you didn't repent of that lie, are you destined for hell?