If you commit sin are you still of God? Yes or no

[LoveofTruth]

Eph 1:13 "In whom" ye also trusted (CHRIST), after that ye heard the word of truth (HIS SIN ATONING SACRIFICE), the gospel of your salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4 & Rom 10:8-13) "in whom" also after that ye believed (WHEN U ACCEPTED GODS GRACE & PLACED UR FAITH IN CHRIST), ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise. (UR SALVATION WAS SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT)

Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(Earnest means deposit: When we trusted Christ, God placed His Holy Spirit in us)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
(The gives/places His Holy Spirit in us as a down payment)

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(The Holy Spirit we see in Eph 1:13 sealed us. And now & forever dwells "IN" us)

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(The Spirit of God dwells "INSIDE" us)

2 Timothy 1:14 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
(The Holy Spirit "SEAL" that was committed to keep & protect us. Lives "INSIDE" us)

Believers IN CHRIST we are SEALED Forgiven, Reconciled, Justified & Have Eternal Life.

true believers can fall and lose salvation through an evil heart of unbelief as scripture teaches

But this is not a post for that really. But I can see it is going to be unavoidable

I will speak scriptures against the false once saved always saved doctrine as much as possible. It is very dangerous.And no, our own works don't save us. Faith, belief are how we abide. And we are not robots, and faith is not fatalism as some would have us believe/

 

[LoveofTruth]

That's why I said definitions are important.

I attend a Greek Church, and we speak of ἁμαρτία - which involves "missing the mark" or "making an error". It is not only "breaking the law" but it does include that.

We do understand different kinds of sin, of thought, word, deed, attitude, both known and unknown sin, sins in what we do, sins in what we fail to do, sins in what we simply are. It is a complex thing.

So it depends on what kind of sin you talking about. That's why I answered as I did.

God desires to heal all sin, but some will not happen during this life in the flesh.

The sin John speaks of here is known wilful sin committing this, doing an action that you agree upon in your mind, giving yourself to it, committing yourself to it.

 

[stuart lawrence]

paul said we speak wisdom among then that are perfect, and perfecting the saints is the work of ministry.

also John is not speaking of the mosaic law there. When a person goes against the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus they also sin.

John says whosoever committeth sin is of the devil. Tis is clear words. To say , no we are not of the devil if we commit sin, is false.

I chose to believe John not mens doctrines

I quoted Paul's doctrine, why do you not believe him?

But i will quote john if you are uncomfortable with Paul:

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

 

[LoveofTruth]

We've all broken God's law. No one can say he is not a sinner until some means is provided (not to take away the law) but to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law.

Sin's required payment/judgment is death Rom 6:23. A sinless Jesus willing sacrifice. Fulfilled/met, covered, cleansed & paid the laws requirement for & removes all our sin. Once our sins have been removed, there is no transgression of the law

And thru belief the Sin Atoning Sacrificial Death, Burial & Resurrection of Christ. We are no longer under the law. We are now under grace.

Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Yes I know we are saved by grace through faith. But all must continue in the faith and as we abide (remain) in Christ we sin not.

We need to have a conscience void of offence. To walk in the light we have. To him that knoweth to do good and doth it not to him it is sin.

 

[LoveofTruth]

I quoted Paul's doctrine, why do you not believe him?

But i will quote john if you are uncomfortable with Paul:

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

I am comfortable with all scripture, I believe all things that are written.

and John speaks of the sin nature which all have and all have sinned. But John also says he wrote that they sin not, and whosoever is in Christ sinter not, they cannot sin. Just read 1 John 3:6-9

and tell me your understanding of vs 6

 

[LoveofTruth]

All christians commit sin, for none will attain to sinless perfection on this earth

yet John still says

"8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;..."

You problem seems to be with scripture and the tradition you may have been wrongly taught.

 

[SLB]

You asked, If you commit sin are you still of God?

In 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

So clearly we all commit sinful acts. But,

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

While we can commit sinful acts, we can also ask for forgiveness for those acts and be restored to a righteous standing with God.

When you got born again you got adopted into the family and we're going to love you, warts and all. You're not going to get kicked out of the family for sinning. However, someone who repeatedly and willfully sins is figuratively kicking Jesus in the face. Do you want to stand in front of God the Father on Judgement Day and explain that kind of behaviour? Because such actions are not really "of God".

How's that for a yes and no answer?

 

[stuart lawrence]

yet John still says

"8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;..."

You problem seems to be with scripture and the tradition you may have been wrongly taught.

It is you I think who have been wrongly taught!
You ignore the scriptures I quote, and only seem prepared to discuss your own, but ok

 

[DrBubbaLove]

If you commit sin are you still of God?

Yes or no

and discussion

"Of God" in the sense God abandons us, or "of God" in the sense no longer on a path reasonably understood to lead to Heaven?
No to first. Maybe to second depending on the sin.

1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the "eternal punishment" of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the "temporal punishment" of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84



1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the "old man" and to put on the "new man."85

www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm#1472

 

[LoveofTruth]

Its strange that when you simply believe the text you get all sorts upset at it and making excuses that the text doesn't really mean what it says. John said let no man deceive you

I would echo those same words

the false prophets of Jeremiah 23 would tell the wicked that they would have peace and would not turn them from their sin.

"14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah....17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you." (Jeremiah 23:14,17 KJV)

 

[LoveofTruth]

It is you I think who have been wrongly taught!
You ignore the scriptures I quote, and only seem prepared to discuss your own, but ok

John 3:6, and 8 are sharp rebukes to much of todays doctrines of men. many preach for sin, rather than victory in Jesus and holiness in the light

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am comfortable with all scripture, I believe all things that are written.

and John speaks of the sin nature which all have and all have sinned. But John also says he wrote that they sin not, and whosoever is in Christ sinter not, they cannot sin. Just read 1 John 3:6-9

and tell me your understanding of vs 6

If I join a church, claim to be a christian, but have affair after affair once I claim to be a christian I never was one, Christ was never my saviour

 

[stuart lawrence]

John 3:6, and 8 are sharp rebukes to much of todays doctrines of men. many preach for sin, rather than victory in Jesus and holiness in the light

I'm afraid that if you can only ignore all the scripture placed before you, and respond to none of it, I dont see how you can claim to have a proper biblical understanding of this subject

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

oh great another "sinless perfection" thread.

does the thread starter accept the fact that he will be going to hell if he wants to be consistent with his proclamation?

1 john 2:1...praise God for His mercy!

 

[LoveofTruth]

"Of God" in the sense God abandons us, or "of God" in the sense no longer on a path reasonably understood to lead to Heaven?
No to first. Maybe to second depending on the sin.

1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the "eternal punishment" of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the "temporal punishment" of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84



1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the "old man" and to put on the "new man."85

www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm#1472

John simply says "sin". He attaches the word "committeth sin", which means to do an action that you agree upon, or to willfully do it and give yourself over to that action. To commit yourself to an action. If a man for example looks at a woman and she is naked, he may not be lusting in his heart, but if he lust in his heart and would be with her if he could, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart and sinned.

 

[LoveofTruth]

I'm afraid that if you can only ignore all the scripture placed before you, and respond to none of it, I dont see how you can claim to have a proper biblical understanding of this subject

I am not ignoring scripture, there are a lot of responses here to comment on

scripture is clear if you commit sin you are of the devil, not of God. So this eternal security view that says you are still of God if you commit sin is false.

also i would like to know how you understand 1 John 3:6

 

[LoveofTruth]

oh great another "sinless perfection" thread.

does the thread starter accept the fact that he will be going to hell if he wants to be consistent with his proclamation?

1 john 2:1...praise God for His mercy!

I am simply asking how some view 1 John 3:8

I simply believe it

no going to hell for such things.

 

[LoveofTruth]

If you commit sin you fail to observe the law, for sin is transgression of the law:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

BTW

All christians commit sin, for none will attain to sinless perfection on this earth

and so when a person sins even a believer, they go against the law, and the law of the Spirit which is love. If a man hates his brother John says he is a murderer. And no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. He is no longer in eternal life is he hates. And so he has committed sin and is not of God at that time.

when we sin we are convicted of God and humbled and if we repent and turn to the Lord in faith we are cleansed. Simple really.

But Jesus says to abide in him and if we abide in him we sin not as John says. 1 John 3:6

when we sin we cannot claim to be in him, for in him is no sin.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am not ignoring scripture, there are a lot of responses here to comment on

scripture is clear if you commit sin you are of the devil, not of God. So this eternal security view that says you are still of God if you commit sin is false.

also i would like to know how you understand 1 John 3:6

I have already responded to 1 john 3:6

If I join a church and claim to be a christian but then have multiple affairs I never was a christian in the first place.

Be careful what you write
The measure you use to judge other will be used yo judge you.

Are you claiming to be sinless?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I am simply asking how some view 1 John 3:8

I simply believe it

no going to hell for such things.

actually if your interpretation of that verse is true you and everyone else are indeed going to hell because we all sin.

the alternative is to believe 1 john 2:1 and romans 8:1 and understand that those who pursue righteousness will stumble along the way.