If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

[AV1611VET]

You persecution complex is noted.

Fix it then with an honest answer.

 

[Speedwell]

I asked what goes through his mind, when he sees adults bullying us as to what we believe.

We don't care what you believe, we just don't want it made public policy. And you're not being bullied. You're being disagreed with.

He felt bullied by adults as a child ...

No, I didn't. Your amateur psychoanalysis isn't working.

now he's out observing adults bullying adults and apparently doesn't want to tell me what goes through his mind.

You're not being bullied.

 

[VirOptimus]

Fix it then with an honest answer.

Im not responsible for your ignorant posts.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, thats you adding to the text. Its wine, thats literal.

If it's so important to you that you need to think everyone and everyone in Bible times drank wine, including Jesus turning water into wine, then I'll give you credit for being a scholar, but not a wise one.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I asked what goes through his mind, when he sees adults bullying us as to what we believe.

No children involved.

He felt bullied by adults as a child ... now he's out observing adults bullying adults and apparently doesn't want to tell me what goes through his mind.

Well then you asked a dumb question as an adult. (deserved bullying?) His answer related to adults vs children and you attempted to turn it into an adult-adult situation.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're not being bullied.

You don't call Astrid's (et alii) potshots "bullying"?

Good -- that says a lot about you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Im not responsible for your ignorant posts.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[VirOptimus]

If it's so important to you that you need to think everyone and everyone in Bible times drank wine, including Jesus turning water into wine, then I'll give you credit for being a scholar, but not a wise one.

Its you who have the position the bible is perfect and literal. If thats the case then its wine, because grape juice is something else. And in your view then the bible should state grape juice.

For me? I dont care, the bible is just text.

 

[Speedwell]

You don't call Astrid's (et alii) potshots "bullying"?

Good -- that says a lot about you.

I think you're projecting.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well then you asked a dumb question as an adult. (deserved bullying?) His answer related to adults vs children and you attempted to turn it into an adult-adult situation.

It's just a matter of degrees, isn't it?

 

[VirOptimus]

You don't call Astrid's (et alii) potshots "bullying"?

Good -- that says a lot about you.

Snowflake.

 

[Speedwell]

It's just a matter of degrees, isn't it?

Adults in a chat room are not in the same power relationship as teachers and students in a public school classroom.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Adults in a chat room are not in the same power relationship as teachers and students in a public school classroom.

degrees of Poe.

 

[AV1611VET]

Its you who gave the position the bible is perfect and literal.

That's right.

If thats the case then its wine,

That's right.

... because grape juice is something else.

It may be today; but not back then.

And in your view then the bible should state grape juice.

Next you'll insist the Bible should state "fetus," instead of "child in the womb," won't you?

 

[VirOptimus]

That's right.That's right.It may be today; but not back then.Next you'll insist the Bible state "fetus," instead of "child in the womb," won't you?

You dont like abortions, dont have one.

Dont try to change the subject just because you have lost.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you're projecting.

Uh-huh. Projecting good points, and backing them up with good examples.

But that's okay, I can see which side of the bread your butter is on.

 

[Speedwell]

That's right.That's right.It may be today; but not back then.Next you'll insist the Bible should state "fetus," instead of "child in the womb," won't you?

The term "fetus" was in use for centuries before "child in the womb."

 

[AV1611VET]

Adults in a chat room are not in the same power relationship as teachers and students in a public school classroom.

I've made this point before, and it bears repeating:

When kids see us adults acting like this, is it any wonder they act the same way?

 

[VirOptimus]

I've made this point before, and it bears repeating:

When kids see us adults acting like this, is it any wonder they act the same way?

You act like an adult? When?

 

[AV1611VET]

The term "fetus" was in use for centuries before "child in the womb."

However you justify it, chief. If being wrong doesn't bother you, knock yourself out.